How important is four-wheel-drive?
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Kent Richmond
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I tow my C-Dory with a Chevy Silverado 1500. More than enough power for towing, but when pulling it out of the water on a wet ramp, sometimes the wheels spin in 2 wheel drive. I got into the habit of putting it into 4 wheel drive before pulling the boat out of the water and have never had a problem. Even if I didn't live in a climate where 4 wheel drive is a necessity, I would have it.
Sounds like you've answered your own question due to the slippery ramps, but I'll say that it's better to have it and not need it...than to need it and not have it.
I live in an area where you'd only really need 4wd a few times per year under normal non-towing conditions....resale value is still much better for the 4wd.
I live in an area where you'd only really need 4wd a few times per year under normal non-towing conditions....resale value is still much better for the 4wd.
journey on
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Journey On has been launched on every type of paved ramp, from Spanish, Ontario, Canada to Long Beach, Ca. (to quote the worst.) We've never needed 4-wheel drive. Just be careful and slow pulling the boat out. Since I'm cranking the winch, Judy is driving and yanks her out and hasn't missed yet. With an automatic transmission, you can slowly apply power, and get it started without wheel slip. In fact, the latest truck doesn't have a locking differential, but never a problem getting her out.
Fortunately, we can launch Journey On without getting the rear wheels wet. In Spanish, the ramp was broken, and I had a 4-wheel ready just in case, but it came out easily. In Long Beach, there was sand on the ramp, but still easily came out. Haven't met a bad ramp in Washington from Bellingham to the Columbia River.
4-wheel drive is expensive and you have to haul it around when you're not using it. I've been going to the desert for 50 years, and never felt the need for it. Looks good though.
If you have it great, use it. I've seen guys smoke all 4 wheels on the ramp. Spectacular. And I've seen guys get stuck in the desert with 4-wheel drive.
Boris
Fortunately, we can launch Journey On without getting the rear wheels wet. In Spanish, the ramp was broken, and I had a 4-wheel ready just in case, but it came out easily. In Long Beach, there was sand on the ramp, but still easily came out. Haven't met a bad ramp in Washington from Bellingham to the Columbia River.
4-wheel drive is expensive and you have to haul it around when you're not using it. I've been going to the desert for 50 years, and never felt the need for it. Looks good though.
If you have it great, use it. I've seen guys smoke all 4 wheels on the ramp. Spectacular. And I've seen guys get stuck in the desert with 4-wheel drive.
Boris
If you're on a paved ramp and have 2wd and a limited slip differntial, you can usually tow most moderate loads out fairly easily.
However, change the 4500 lb CD-22 over to a 7500 lb CD-25, a heavier TomCat 255, or another 8000-9000 lb or more boat, add some sand, gravel, or ice on the ramp, and you better have 4wd, low range, a limited slip differential, and either a bag of cat liter or a set of snow chains to get up the hill.
I've launched my CD-22 in 18 inches of snow laid over a couple of inches of ice with chains and 2wd, but the steering and stopping are better with 4wd.
Stopping is always more difficult than towing a heavy boat, and steep downhill towing with a heavy boat can be the toughest part of all, depending on your trailer brakes.
Joe. :teeth :thup
However, change the 4500 lb CD-22 over to a 7500 lb CD-25, a heavier TomCat 255, or another 8000-9000 lb or more boat, add some sand, gravel, or ice on the ramp, and you better have 4wd, low range, a limited slip differential, and either a bag of cat liter or a set of snow chains to get up the hill.
I've launched my CD-22 in 18 inches of snow laid over a couple of inches of ice with chains and 2wd, but the steering and stopping are better with 4wd.
Stopping is always more difficult than towing a heavy boat, and steep downhill towing with a heavy boat can be the toughest part of all, depending on your trailer brakes.
Joe. :teeth :thup
With a 2wd tow rig some sort of traction assist would be desirable. Limited slip differentials are the most common. There are some selectable locking differentials on the market that are very helpful. Modern rigs with traction control possibly could help though they're usefullness under high throttle settings would have to be verified.
Then there is the poor man's limited slip option. Partially applying the parking brake can reduce one sided wheel spin though this only works when the parking brake is on the driven axle. Disgression is advised.
If you do go with 2wd consider carrying a tow strap and a clevis or two.
Then there is the poor man's limited slip option. Partially applying the parking brake can reduce one sided wheel spin though this only works when the parking brake is on the driven axle. Disgression is advised.
If you do go with 2wd consider carrying a tow strap and a clevis or two.
Pat Anderson
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Four wheel drive for sure...
I have owned trailerable boats since 1957 and only owned one 4 wheel drive: the Honda Pilot (we use it occasionally on a sand ramp--but usually 2 wheel drive does well--and we are pulling the Century 18 footer), and never gotten stuck...I do carry some sand and a long dacron line, just in case I have to either put some sand under the wheels, or have to ask someone to give me some help. Having enough weight on the rear tires goes a long way toward helping. I have also had some cars with center differential lock.
As I am looking for a newer tow vehicle for the west coast, I am not looking at 4 wheel drive for the 25. I figure that if I get stuck, I can find someone who will help--or even pay a tow truck if necessary, for what I saved along the way... (I also carry a come along (2500 lb capacity) and long dacron line--I figure I can always put this on a deadman and slowly crank the rig up if I had to--I got a 2 1/2 ton truck out of the mud with this rig once. Slow, but works.
As I am looking for a newer tow vehicle for the west coast, I am not looking at 4 wheel drive for the 25. I figure that if I get stuck, I can find someone who will help--or even pay a tow truck if necessary, for what I saved along the way... (I also carry a come along (2500 lb capacity) and long dacron line--I figure I can always put this on a deadman and slowly crank the rig up if I had to--I got a 2 1/2 ton truck out of the mud with this rig once. Slow, but works.
In most cases I think I could pull our boat up a ramp without 4 wheel drive. However, there are exceptions. We just got back from a trip to Tofino, B.C. The ramp there is steep, but it's nothing like the hill that you have to climb in order to get out of the Marina. It is almost too steep to climb up on foot. Last year I spun the tires on this hill while the transmission was in 4 wheel low range. I know I wouldn't have gotten up it without the 4 wheel low range, so I was glad to have it.
I don't think it is a necessity, but I sure like knowing that I can get out of most situations by myself.
Lyle
I don't think it is a necessity, but I sure like knowing that I can get out of most situations by myself.
Lyle
Wandering Sagebrush
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Tim,
If you're planning on using your boat on ramps like Lyle described, or if you get onto a frosty one in the winter, a 4wd is pretty nice to have. Several times at low tide, I have found it necessary to use 4wd to keep the rear wheels from spinning on the slick stuff.
We have a F250 and an Expedition that both do the job.
Steve
If you're planning on using your boat on ramps like Lyle described, or if you get onto a frosty one in the winter, a 4wd is pretty nice to have. Several times at low tide, I have found it necessary to use 4wd to keep the rear wheels from spinning on the slick stuff.
We have a F250 and an Expedition that both do the job.
Steve
Tim Asked:
"....Am I going to find my retrieval options limited (based on conditions/tide/incline) if I get a 2WD truck to tow my C-dory 22?
Or, I should say, will my options be MORE limited with 2WD compared to 4WD?"
In a nutshell yes. Maybe not very often, but the important part here is that you do not want to find that you are at the bottom of the ramp and then you need the 4WD.
Good towing technique will help, but (yes, even here in Washington) there are ramps that at least occasionally require the extra assistance of the 4WD, (slippery gunk or sandy), and I'm probably not the only one here who has been the only guy on the ramp.
Harvey
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"....Am I going to find my retrieval options limited (based on conditions/tide/incline) if I get a 2WD truck to tow my C-dory 22?
Or, I should say, will my options be MORE limited with 2WD compared to 4WD?"
In a nutshell yes. Maybe not very often, but the important part here is that you do not want to find that you are at the bottom of the ramp and then you need the 4WD.
Good towing technique will help, but (yes, even here in Washington) there are ramps that at least occasionally require the extra assistance of the 4WD, (slippery gunk or sandy), and I'm probably not the only one here who has been the only guy on the ramp.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
starcrafttom
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Tim, Susan and I have done a lot of 4x4ing in the sierras, rubicon and the such, I never use 4x4 until I need it and I always have it to use. And once you have it you can always find a use for it too. All those dirt and rock roads that you glance at but never think about going up are now a challenge. a truck with out 4x4 is like a three legged horse, you can still ride it just not everywhere.
Another reason to have 4WD is to avoid getting stuck at low tide and then have the tide come in and flood the rear of your vehicle.
If you get stuck with 2WD and can't get up the ramp and then the tide comes in and floods the rear of your vehicle, you'll wish you'd sprung for he extra $$$ for 4WD. How would you like salt water in the back 1/2 or 2/3 rds of your car or truck? The electrical current and electrolysis on your wring can dissolve much of it in 30 minutes or so.
A word of caution: Some ramps, particularly those in salt water/tidal situations, stop abruptly. They just can't be paved easily like a lake that goes down in summer.
The result is a ramp that goes down smoothly, then suddenly stops, often having a 1-2 foot drop off into a mud hole that, once you drop an axle into, cannot be retrieved easily, even with 4WD. (You stand a much better chance with a tandem axle set up, at least if one axle is still on the pavement and you have 4WD..) IF YOU DROP YOUR TOW VEHICLE DRIVE WHEELS INTO THE HOLE AND CAN'T GET OUT, CALL A BIG TOW TRUCK IMMEDIATELY!
Such ramps are often marked with a a pole at the end of the ramp or a line painted on the side of the dock, with or without a sign explaining the marker's meaning.
ONE EXPERIENCE WITH SUCH A LAUNCH TRAP IS ALL YOU NEED TO CUE YOU IN FOR LIFE. Better off if someone can explain the situation to you beforehand.
Don't ask me how I know all of this. 'Twas 1972, as I remember.
Joe. :teeth :thup
If you get stuck with 2WD and can't get up the ramp and then the tide comes in and floods the rear of your vehicle, you'll wish you'd sprung for he extra $$$ for 4WD. How would you like salt water in the back 1/2 or 2/3 rds of your car or truck? The electrical current and electrolysis on your wring can dissolve much of it in 30 minutes or so.
A word of caution: Some ramps, particularly those in salt water/tidal situations, stop abruptly. They just can't be paved easily like a lake that goes down in summer.
The result is a ramp that goes down smoothly, then suddenly stops, often having a 1-2 foot drop off into a mud hole that, once you drop an axle into, cannot be retrieved easily, even with 4WD. (You stand a much better chance with a tandem axle set up, at least if one axle is still on the pavement and you have 4WD..) IF YOU DROP YOUR TOW VEHICLE DRIVE WHEELS INTO THE HOLE AND CAN'T GET OUT, CALL A BIG TOW TRUCK IMMEDIATELY!
Such ramps are often marked with a a pole at the end of the ramp or a line painted on the side of the dock, with or without a sign explaining the marker's meaning.
ONE EXPERIENCE WITH SUCH A LAUNCH TRAP IS ALL YOU NEED TO CUE YOU IN FOR LIFE. Better off if someone can explain the situation to you beforehand.
Don't ask me how I know all of this. 'Twas 1972, as I remember.
Joe. :teeth :thup
matt_unique
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Another vote for 4WD. In MA we have a 8-11' tide swing, and at low tide that translates into A LOT of ramp covered in growth that you can barely walk on in some spots, let alone try to pull a boat without 4WD.
If you always timed your retrieving at high tide, on a ramp with good traction, you might be able to get away with it without trouble. It seems that has worked for some but why risk it?
If you always timed your retrieving at high tide, on a ramp with good traction, you might be able to get away with it without trouble. It seems that has worked for some but why risk it?
If you haven't bought a truck yet? We bought a Honda Pilot 4whl drive instead of the Ridgeline another good option Both of these have 4whl drive . YOU will appreciate the 4whl option when it's low tide and your truck is sliding into the water .
If you do decide on a 2whl drive make sure it has the traction lock , posi-traction or limited slip optiion .Good Luck on your decision
If you do decide on a 2whl drive make sure it has the traction lock , posi-traction or limited slip optiion .Good Luck on your decision
marvin4239
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Both my tow vehicles a Jeep Cherokee and 3/4 ton Ford Diesel are 4 wheel drive and I wouldn't be without it. I seldom need it but when I do I really need it. One ramp close to my house is impossible without 4 wheel drive. Their are a few beaches still left I go to where you are allowed to drive on with four wheel drive and having four wheel drive makes these accessible where without they wouldn't be. Their really isn't much difference today in the fuel usage between 4 wheel and non 4 wheel drive. In the Ford trucks the tow rating is slightly lower on a four wheel drive model than the two wheel drive.
I have an '03 Expedition with 4WD. Best decision I ever made. After owning 14 previous trailerable boats, pulling on all sorts of ramps and conditions, this made the whole effort a "non-event." I appreciate the 4 wheel LOW range just about as much as the 4WD. I essentially idle (or just above) the boat out of the water. Of course my boat & trailer combo weigh ~7,500 lbs, about 50%+ more than a 22. I still get 19-20mpg on the highway non-towing.
My 2c. Go for it.
My 2c. Go for it.
While I'm firmly in the 4WD camp, there's another option - 2WD with a winch.
Certainly not as convenient as 4WD, if simply dealing with a slippery ramp. However, there are situations where it will get you out where 4WD won't. It's also less expensive than the 4WD upgrade paid at purchase time, won't hit your fuel mileage like 4WD will, and 2WD typically rides much nicer.
If going this route, you can't beat a Milemarker hydraulic unit...they're very light compared to electric units, and will work all day at full strength without taxing your battery. You'll also find they come in very handy for many tasks, beyond extracting one's vehicle from a stuck situation.
And, iffin' one gets a fancy shmancy bumper to go along with it, you get much more respect at redneck bars...
Certainly not as convenient as 4WD, if simply dealing with a slippery ramp. However, there are situations where it will get you out where 4WD won't. It's also less expensive than the 4WD upgrade paid at purchase time, won't hit your fuel mileage like 4WD will, and 2WD typically rides much nicer.
If going this route, you can't beat a Milemarker hydraulic unit...they're very light compared to electric units, and will work all day at full strength without taxing your battery. You'll also find they come in very handy for many tasks, beyond extracting one's vehicle from a stuck situation.
And, iffin' one gets a fancy shmancy bumper to go along with it, you get much more respect at redneck bars...