honda 90/suzuki 100

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computer-rooter

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Hi, bratsters!

In my neverending quest to repower, I've come across a honda 90hp short shaft of about 2002 vintage. I intend it for my 22' classic. It has a power head with about 20 hours on it (yes, that's twenty) and looks to be in good condition. It includes the combo speed/shift/ign console thingy, but no cables, other gauges, steering, or propeller. The guy is asking $4500 for it as it sits, no warranty.

I'm not familiar with outboards much past what I've read here. I've always been a big displacement hull fan. I don't know what to look for as problems with this unit, nor if $4500 is a good price for it. I also don't know where to find the specs on an engine this old. Can anyone give me help here? It's Saturday, and I need to make a decision on Monday.

Also, I am currently powered by a 100hp 2-stroke suzuki of indeterminate age. I've been told it's a mid 90's model, but I can't say for sure. Assuming it's a solid engine (I have no reason to believe it is not), can anyone give me a sense of it's value?

Thanks in advance for any input!

-- rooter
 
The Honda 90 is a great engine and the parts you need wont be too expensive . A Tachometer,shift and throttle cables , and Aluminum prop and possibly a wiring harness, although they are attached to the side mont control boxes. If its a binnacle mount box you will need one .Honda's website has a pretty good parts section http://www.honda-marine.com/acc.aspx# Id offer 4k . That would get you powered up for around 5 k . A new one would be 9k at least installed. The motor has not changed much since its inception .
The old Suzuki is probably worth 1500-1800 or so . I dont know the AK market , but down here in the land of dixie that would be about right .Hope this helps .
Marc Grove
 
That used to be called a long shaft when there were only 15" and 20" outboards .Now we run 25" and 30" shafts on the bigger boats [like the 25 C Dory] . As far as I know 22 C Dorys have always had 20" motors .Its confusing, and its best to talk shaft length in inches to avoid confusion .
Marc
 
Marc at Wefings is right on and threw in some great negotiating tips to boot.. If you can get me the engine serial number I can tell you the year and tighten-up the price range for the Suzuki. We are still sending people parts for 1982 Suzuki engines, so don't fear for your engine. On the flip side, with the fuel efficiency increase you'll really like the newer four stroke engine, you may be making money on the swap within a few years.
Good luck!
 
Yes...I agree with both dealers...and trustworthy... the one thing I would want to know about is who did the top end...was it a complete new top end... powerhead...or a rebuilt one...and who did it?? In the automotive arena everyone who does rings and valves on their engine claims it is a new rebuilt engine...(not so..and sometimes a total failure)...was it done by a Honda Authorized Shop? and if so and it only has 20 hours on it...why does it not have a warrantee? Before I put any money down on the deal...I would sure have a Honda shop look at it...at least take a compression test...they can tell you quickly if it is done properly.
(well worth your paying them)

Joel
SEA3PO
 
Thanks for the input so far, folks!

I'll run down to the RAGING FERRET and check the serial number on the suzuki. I should have that later today.

I have a lot of discomfort about the story the seller is telling me. The honda is currently at an automotive shop. I was in there a couple weeks ago getting brake rotors turned and saw the power head being replaced. That's how I can believe it's a low-hour engine. It looks squeeky clean and fresh, and it sounds good. BTW: They demonstrated the engine with a waterhose connected to the flush port in the back of the engine cowling. I've read the debate on the hose connection vs rabbit ears for this sort of thing, so I thought you all might be interested in that detail.

The big discomfort about this engine is that I spotted water seeping around what I think was the intake manifold-to-head joint on the lower left side of the engine (looking from the front). The guy selling it said that this is normal -- it's leaking because it's new, and that possibly the water pressure from the hose was too much for it. Now I've wrenched a few bolts in my day, and I never heard of a new gasket at any joint of any construction that was supposed to leak anything when new. A gasket is paid to seal a joint. If I found a leak like that it meant to me that either the gasket was bad, the surfaces weren't true, or the torque was off. However, I know nothing about these motors. Any thoughts about that?

$4500 + rigging is expensive, even if it is a good deal. With no warranty, I could be making a bad mistake here about as easily as I could be buying the bargain of my lifetime. The marine shop is just across the street from this auto shop. I'm thinking about having the motor towed over there and inspected. If it has 20 hours on it as the owner claims, it's due for service anyway. If the owner doesn't want it inspected, I'll take that as a sign that I don't need the trouble.
 
It's 35, blowing and snowing out today. I pumped the boat and saw the number plate on the suzuki, but I can't get close enough to read it and it's too windy to turn the boat around. So the serial number has to wait.

The number of the honda is BBBL 1000632. I was told this was a 2001 production number. Is that correct?
 
New Guy":2es9j7eg said:
Marc at Wefings is right on and threw in some great negotiating tips to boot.. If you can get me the engine serial number I can tell you the year and tighten-up the price range for the Suzuki. We are still sending people parts for 1982 Suzuki engines, so don't fear for your engine. On the flip side, with the fuel efficiency increase you'll really like the newer four stroke engine, you may be making money on the swap within a few years.
Good luck!
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Ok -- the snow settled down some and I have the serial number for the suzuki now: 901067. The plate is kinda worn, so if that doesn't look like a good number, I'll try again.

Thanks!
 
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