hard to start 8hp honda

DAVEY5205

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hi guys
looking for advice on my very cold blood slow to start kicker. its a fairly new one with abt 15 hrs running time. but boy is it stubborn for the first start. ive took it bacK to the dealer they say no problem, but it just dosent seem right to take ten or twenty pulls to convince the motor to run. oh yes i do have the throttle on start too!!!
funny thing once it starts it runs great the rest of the day?
any suggestions
dave
 
I had the same problem with my 8 HP Honda.
Pull the choke, leave it pulled till the motor runs, then push it in. Not earlier, second pump the fuel ball as may times as necessary, the engine has to be flooded to get it started cold. The rest of the day she will act normally, starts without the choke at the first try.
Good luck.
Never Too Late, the Tug with a diesel!
Dolf
 
Dave
I had a 8hp Honda, [stolen] that was a hard starter also. Found that the upper cylinder for some reason ran colder than the bottom and was dirtying up the spark plug. Switch to the next higher heat range on that cylinder. Seemed to help. Could never get an answer as to why the two cylinders ran differntly.

Chuck
Bootleg Hooch
 
DAVEY5205":39o61u1f said:
hi guys
looking for advice on my very cold blood slow to start kicker. its a fairly new one with abt 15 hrs running time. but boy is it stubborn for the first start. ive took it bacK to the dealer they say no problem, but it just dosent seem right to take ten or twenty pulls to convince the motor to run. oh yes i do have the throttle on start too!!!
funny thing once it starts it runs great the rest of the day?
any suggestions
dave

On my, Slow to start 1st time for the day, 8hp Honda. I lower it to the run position, pump the gas bulb, pull on start rope until the green oil lite starts flashing while pulling, then out W/choke, starts next pull every time??
No oil pressure yet = No green lite blinky = no start period, Been like that for 14yrs!! :mrgreen: :beer
Good Luck!! :wink:
 
wow now i cant wait till sun up to give it a try, but i do wonder why our honda dealer would not offer this advice???? are all 4 strokes kickers :roll: this difficult to start?
 
DAVEY5205":6kjh0q7a said:
wow now i cant wait till sun up to give it a try, but i do wonder why our honda dealer would not offer this advice???? are all 4 strokes kickers :roll: this difficult to start?


My next kicker will be Electric Start :lol: :wink: :beer
 
I had trouble starting my Honda 8 when I first got the boat....I found that advancing the throttle a little bit (it will only go a little bit when in neutral), in addition to using the choke seemed to really help. Usually starts now on the second pull.

Hope I just didn't jinx myself! :D

Good luck!

-Roger M.
 
I have an electric start 9.9, which is the same motor as an 8. If anyone is thinking of an electric start, remember that Hondas are heavy to begin with (8 hp = 100 lbs,) and an electric start adds 10 more lbs. Plus the battery. Since I use the 9.9 for the dingy, I have to start it by hand anyway.

The suggestion is: learn to start the 8, and enjoy it. It should be an easy (2 pull) starter. Don't change engines, change dealers. Ask them to start it and watch them. If it's hard to start for the dealer, tell them to fix it. If not have them tell you how they started it.

Boris
 
There are two "models" of the Honda BF8; the "A" model and the "D" model. Since 2001 they have been built concurrently. The "A" model is the updated version of the old blue and white BF100 and has a squarish hood. The "D" model was an all new design (and it shares its block with the BF9.9D) and has a very round hood.

This is important because the "A" model has a traditional choke plate in the carburetor. The "D" model has no choke, even if it has the choke knob you're really pulling a needle valve out of the carb's enrichement circuit; it works exactly the same on the electric start models which do it with electricity (by heating a disc) rather than a cable as on the manual start versions.

To reinterate...the "A" model has a choke; the "D" model has an enrichment circuit. The end result is the same...to get a mixture in the cylinder that will fire but they come at it from totally opposite approaches. The "A" model choke plate retricts the air intake to richen up the charge in the cylinder and the "D" model adds fuel to richen the charge in the cylinder.

Why is this important? Because on the "D" model if you so much as breathe on the throttle handle you'll introduce more air into the fuel mixture and lean it out...it will not start. It must remain in the dead idle position and not be moved until the engine is idling on its own. Resist every temptation to turn that throttle handle; you're just undermining your efforts.

Here's a bit of a tip but please read carefully. BEFORE you ever pull on the starter cord and after you've connected your fuel line and primed the carb you can twist the throttle handle all the way open a couple of times. The "D" model carb does have an accelerator pump and this will give the engine a couple of shots of fuel. Then return the throttle to the dead idle (i.e. - against the stop) position, pull out the "choke" (really enrichment) knob, and start the engine. Feed the knob back in as the engine starts to warm up. NONE of this applies to an "A" model BF8.

Honda engines are frustratingly tight when new. The BF8 through the BF20 are all hard starters until they break in; I think that takes at least 50 hours but at 100 hours they really start to run nicely.

The BF8A model should start on the second pull (or third worst case) every time. If not something is wrong and typically on the "A" model it's the fact the throttle was not opened up AS FAR AS IT WILL GO when trying to start the engine. There is a mechanical stop in the throttle system that limits the opening when the gear lever is in the neutral position. Also the choke (there is a choke plate on this model) must be fully closed...that is, the knob pulled out fully. Do not ease off the choke until the engine is running and is starting to warm up. So the drill is...connect the fuel line, prime the carb, pull the choke knob all the way out, open the throttle as far as possible, pull on the starter cord (a steady long pull is better than a short fast one). The engine should fire on the first or second pull and start on the second or third. On brand new engines it might take an extra pull or two...the darn things are tight!

Let me tell you something about primer bulbs and break a long standing urban myth...they don't need to be pumped until hard. Their only job is to transfer fuel from the tank to the carb bowl. If there's one squirtful more fuel in the carb bowl than needed to start the engine it'll fire. The only think you're doing when you pump the primer bulb until hard is working against the seal the float needle valve makes when the bowl is full...you are not squirting fuel into the engine per se. The only reason to pump until the bulb is firm is to satisfy yourself that you've filled the carb bowl (which isn't really necessary either but it's easier to tell when it's full that when it's "full enough" to start).
 
Spike":1y933jjo said:
Dave
I had a 8hp Honda, [stolen] that was a hard starter also. Found that the upper cylinder for some reason ran colder than the bottom and was dirtying up the spark plug. Switch to the next higher heat range on that cylinder. Seemed to help. Could never get an answer as to why the two cylinders ran differntly.

Chuck
Bootleg Hooch

I'm going to guess that this is an "A" model with the squarish hood and the carb is on the port side of the engine. If you were to remove the carb from the intake manifold and look into the end of it where the carb just came off you'd see a little "ramp" (or protrusion) on the bottom (inside) of the intake manifold. The purpose of that gizmo is to tumble the fuel so that fuel feeds to both cylinders evenly; without it the lower cyliner would always get more fuel. This worked for years. Then someone either redesigned it, or made a new mold, or a new vendor (with different tolerances) started making them. After that happened the upper cylinder started getting too much fuel. The fix is to file down the ramp; Honda suggests 1mm.
 
Then someone either redesigned it, or made a new mold, or a new vendor (with different tolerances) started making them. After that happened the upper cylinder started getting too much fuel. The fix is to file down the ramp; Honda suggests 1mm.

And, I'm sure, be VERY careful not to let any filings get into the engine!

Charlie :wink:
 
Les Hey thanks for that bit of info. The most logical sounding reason I have got to date. But after my Honda was lifted I went out and bought a Yamaha kicker and have not looked back since. Have nothing but good to say about it. And with gas prices going up and up that little motor is gonna see alot more use. I think my Yamaha has gotton a promotion to main motor.

Chuck
Bootleg Hooch
 
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