Fire destroys boat @ Deer Harbor

Looks like they did everything right with the possible exception of towing it into a "narrow channel". I have to assume it wasn't the only entrance to the marina where, if it sank in shallow water, could have been a serious problem. Too bad about the bird but as you said, no humans!

Charlie
 
I hate to see that happen. We always stopped in Deer Harbor on each of our trips to the San Juans. Getting enough water is always a problem. Pensacola had the interior of a 187 foot steel boat, burn out on the ways a couple of weeks ago. Not enough hydrants close to the boat yard; no good pumps. Coast Guard 41 footers with minimal fire fighting equipt were over an hour away, New Fire boat not in Pensacola Harbor, and not sure how long it would have taken or its capacity. We also had the same problem with a fire near Pensacola Yacht club--where a marina fire started. The hose lines were hundreds of feet, and several pumpers were involved. Boats were pulled out of the marina, and drifted near million dollar homes....

Also the CG or rescue services need to have grappling irons with chain or cable to snag the boats without burning the lines.
 
Really ? how hard is it to have a gas powered pump on a cart on the dock? just throw the hose over the side of the dock and Oh look water!!!!!!. I have used gas powered water pumps for watering fields in California as a kid. Its a two second set up. http://www.pumpbiz.com/shopping_product_detail.asp?pid=73205

250 gallons a minute at 90 psi. should be standard at all marinas. just mount on a cart. hell its even electric start.
 
Not up here, Tom. That won't fly. The einvironment first; property second.

From the article:
We could have mixed too much water with gasoline ...that would endanger the marina and the environment.
 
That is what some of the "towns" in SE Alaska have for fire fighting. I believe it was Warm Springs which burned a few years ago, because someone forgot to put put oil back in the engine after "Maintenance".

Agree that there are also environmental concerns, if the fuel spills--so sometimes they let it burn off, once engulfed.

I don't know all of the stats, but once you start running that water thru the hoses both the pressure and GPM drop rapidly. The Darley David Dolphin has 2.5" out supply lines--so you have to have some serious hoses available. By the time it does thru several hundred feet of hose, and a nozzle, I suspect that both the volume and pressure are way down.

Then who maintains the pump--runs it once a week, makes sure that there is fuel (only a gallon or so in the tank) available, etc.? We run our own house genet once a week for maintenance and checks--the fire pumps would have to also be run once a week--as any standby equipment is.

Then there is who is going to do the fire fighting? Are they trained, do they have protective gear and insurance? Perhaps a bit more complex than on the surface.
A 10 HP pump is not real big--the big engine pumpers have hundreds of HP, Even the small fireboats pump 800 gallons to 2000 gal a minute, with a separate pump engine.
 
starcrafttom":17ju1jti said:
Really ? how hard is it to have a gas powered pump on a cart on the dock? just throw the hose over the side of the dock and Oh look water!!!!!!. I have used gas powered water pumps for watering fields in California as a kid. Its a two second set up. http://www.pumpbiz.com/shopping_product_detail.asp?pid=73205

250 gallons a minute at 90 psi. should be standard at all marinas. just mount on a cart. hell its even electric start.

It's a lot harder, my Marine Friend, when there's fire in your face and a hard starting pump pull rope in your hand (The electric start never works when you need it unless you run it almost daily, and they surely would not have). BTDT! Environment be damned, if there was a way to do it and the means were there, I'm sure they would have. Sounds like they did all they could have, BZ!

Charlie
 
Captains Cat":2pu4dxeq said:
Looks like they did everything right with the possible exception of towing it into a "narrow channel". I have to assume it wasn't the only entrance to the marina where, Charlie

Hi Charlie, in this case it is the only entrance as Deer Harbor Marina lies at the end of a cove, so it is one way in and one way out. Additionally, other vessels are usually anchored in the cove as well thereby making an even narrower channel.

Dr. Bob, is absolutely correct about losing water pressure with distance of hose line. We call this "friction loss" and is loss that is greater as the inside diameter of the hose decreases (ie: an 1 3/4 inch line versus a 3 inch line has greater friction loss). Additionally friction loss is greater as the the length of the hose greater, any appliances attached to the hose can create loss as well.

Certainly, a pump at the dock is advantageous, but being able to effectively reach and place your hose stream where you want it on the vessel that has been moved away from the marina and other vessels to prevent further fire spread creates more of a challenge, which leaves a fireboat as the preferred option. Not many marinas have fireboats....heck look at Everett, they don't have one and it is billed as the largest marina on the West Coast. (And in today's economy they ain't getting one any day soon). (However, the Everett Marina does have standpipes at the docks and a tremendous city source of water to draw from). However, again if the flaming vessel is moved away from dock, a fireboat is nice to have.

Our Fire Rescue Boat on Lake Stevens has an 18HP Briggs and Stratton powered Hale Fire Pump (which certainly isn't large, but good for the size of vessels that cruise on the lake) mounted on it which delivers 225 GPM at 50 PSI but does throw a pretty decent stream of water and of course has an endless supply of water from the lake it sets in. (Look at the pictures of our vessel flowing water in my photo album).

From the article that Mark referred us to, the Orcas Fire Department used a floating pump that they took on board a CG Vessel (which probably was not in Deer Harbor at the time). Obviously took additional time to facilitate which caused even more time for fire spread.

I am certainly not criticizing what was done or not done because none of us were there and not in a position to "quarterback" anyone's actions. Yes, I feel marinas should have some means of suppressing fire which in the San Juan Islands ideally leaves using the water the marina is located in. How that is accomplished is varied and as has been mentioned requires frequent maintenance and near daily testing of the system. (The pump on our fireboat has water flowed through it several times a week).

I would imagine a post incident review will take place by the agencies involved, but the bottom line is, the vessel was moved to prevent damage/loss to the marina and other vessels and chances are with the speed in which fire spreads a good save would most likely been difficult.

(Perhaps someone can "encrypt" the photos of our Fire/Rescue Boat flowing water from my Sea Shift photo album over to this thread for ready visualization). (I'm still not computer savvy enough to do that...thanks).
 
I had boats in Long Beach, CA, Alamitos Bay Marina for many years. Each gangway had several fire hoses, hooked up to full pressure fire mains. There was also a fireboat staffed 24 hours a day, as well as several lifeguard and harbor patrol boats. We also had several "live a boards" who were fire fighters

A number of times of these guys would put their lives on the line by going into burning boats to be sure that no one was aboard at night. Thanks to folks like Dave who are there "just in case".
 
thataway":23sf9cy0 said:
Thanks to folks like Dave who are there "just in case".

Thanks Dr. Bob.....now that I'm retired as of 9/1 "are" is now "were"....LOL. Now we let the "much younger guys and gals do it". My last day at work was spend training several of them on the vessel that Roger (Dreamer) was so kind to post for me above. Thanks Roger!
 
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