EQ Marine

When I read through this thread, I circle back to Mr. Sea Wolf's comment which is positioned after the Ricardo email posted by C-Hawk on page two. The main point is "incompatible business models" between the two. It appears to me that C-Dory is in a business mode of needing increased sales in order to cover increased operating expenses due to the expansion of the model line. As a result, they are reorganizing their dealer network to accommodate these parameters which call for increased sales per dealership. There is no doubt in my mind that C-Dory wanted to retain EQ as a dealer, but their increased demands on Les were not compatible with his long established business model of maintaining, and being comfortable with, a certain lesser flow of boat sales.

Business decisions have no room for human emotions, and I don't think that emotions were involved with the EQ departure from the fold of C-Dory-dom, except to the extent that perhaps both sides regret the end of the relationship. I think both sides have regrets, but they see the need to move on. C-Dory must survive and EQ must survive. When the business climate changes, business relationships also have to change. There is nothing personal about it, although emotions understandably run high during periods like this. I think that the advent of the Rosborough RF-246 to the PNW will ease Les along nicely.
 
YACD : Yes, your right. After reading your first thread, I went back and searched again for Honda dealers. Sail Annapolis still does not show when I place my zip code. I live near Washington, DC. Another dealer in Annapolis, nearly identacle mileage, shows up but not SA.

They do show up if I insert a Baltimore location. :? Sail Annapolis may need to contact Honda and find out why they may be losing potential business.

My apologies for going off thread and prolonging this. :oops:

Allan
 
I was reading the thread about the bus, but none of the attached links work for me. Are the links no longer good, or am I the only one having a problem with them?

Rob
 
Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the kind (and humbling) words in this long thread.

When and if a relationship ends someone has to be the one that finally says "that's it". To say that we chose not continue with C-Dory is an unfair characterization; lets just say we chose to stop the downward spiral before C-Dory did. Late last summer they essentially "dropped" us as a dealer though they wouldn't come right out and say it (this was before Ricardo came back). We haven't received a new C-Dory since last summer so really whether or not one is actually a "dealer" is a moot point if there is no product.

I'm sure C-Dory wanted to say that we quit rather than they dropped us from a PR standpoint but long before Ricardo stepped in that path had been chosen. Ricardo has been working his tail off trying to keep us in the fold and to get things moving again but too much damage had been done previously and it became apparent that there had (and have) to be more changes before we'll be comfortable enough to do more business with C-Dory.

I do not wish the C-Dory Marine Group ill; I don't want to see them go out of business and leave customers and dealers alike without factory back up. My personal opinion is that they need a different approach to their business practices and to re-build a level of trust that allows dealers and customers to invest in their products; Ricardo is focused on this but he can't do it alone. The company changed drastically in the time we represented the C-Dory line and from our viewpoint not to the good. Enough so that in the end we decided that from a business standpoint we'd be better off pursuing other things.

I like and respect Ricardo; maybe he isn't the warm fuzzy laid back C-Dory type that we all have a mental image of but his heart is in the right place and he has a tenacity that makes him come off at times as aggressive, which isn't really how he is but you know how that goes. I don't think of him as the front-runner for the PR department so the fact that he doesn't know everyone in the C-Brats doesn't surprise me given the amount of detail he's dealing with at the factory and the relationships (like ours) that he's trying his best to salvage. Schmoozing in a big group gathering isn't really his thing and we can't expect everyone to be good at everything. I think his strength is more in the back office but someone's gotta show up at these shindigs and put on the corporate face. This is not a paid endorsement...I'm just sharing my personal observations as honestly as I know how.

We do have other products that we represent. We're a long time (predating C-Dory) Arima dealer and they have some new more cruiser oriented models. We brought in the Rosborough line; I've been trying to get those boats here since 1999 and they fit in right above the C-Dory line (the CD25 and RF-246 are not competitors unless you've got a very wide $35,000 budget window). Would I rather also have the C-Dory product line? Yes, no question about it but without some major changes that can't happen at the moment.

I can't tell you how much we appreciate the support we've received from all of our customers from the C-Brat group in general (customer or not). Bill "Da Nag, Da Nerd" has kindly allowed as how I can continue to hang out here as just another of the Brats. Really I think I'm just like the old dog on the porch; he just didn't have the heart to kick my butt off since I've been here since before time began. :)
 
Les Lampman":lk7dc29x said:
Really I think I'm just like the old dog on the porch; he just didn't have the heart to kick my butt off since I've been here since before time began. :)

Good god, what does that make your old man? A witness to the "Big Bang"?

Thanks for the explanation, Les. Now I think this thread finally has closure.

Don
 
Sneaks":2a460khq said:
Les Lampman":2a460khq said:
Now I think this thread finally has closure.
Don

Not so quick, Don.....I ain't gonna let "this thread close" without chiming in......

Thank you Les for taking the time from your busy schedule to enlighten us as to EQ's decision process and what has occurred. Furthermore, I'm certain (as I'm sure you know) that Bill ("DaNag") would never boot you off the "C-Brat Porch". You have been a very respected contributer to me and many other C-Brats and I hope that you continue to offer your sage advice to us!

Here's to you Les... :cocktail , :cocktail , :cocktail , and I hope to continue seeing you at C-Brat gatherings!

By the way.....I still :love my C-Dory and the way you, Kathy and Karl "outfitted" her!
 
When I reflect on C-Dory and the following they enjoy, I know that it was only accomplished through the hard work of those who were around from the early days. C-Dorys' popularity today is the result of it standing on the shoulders of giants. Les, you're one of those giants and you'll forever be a C-Brat in my mind. Thank you.
 
Les Lampman":2nl35l3e said:
Bill "Da Nag, Da Nerd" has kindly allowed as how I can continue to hang out here as just another of the Brats. Really I think I'm just like the old dog on the porch; he just didn't have the heart to kick my butt off since I've been here since before time began. :)

Sheesh...my mailbox ain't big enough to contain all the hate email I'd receive, if we ever gave you the boot.

But yeah...kickin' dogs, young or old, just ain't my thang.

:mrgreen:
 
And as far as "who is this Ricardo?" there is more to it than what you see on page three of this post. It's a matter of public record that not so long ago his relationship with C-Dory was VERY different.
And I'm not sure I should say any more right here....
 
Hi Joe,

I can be a little slow on the uptake, but page 3 of this thread doesn't answer my question about Ricardo, whether he is an employee or owner of C-Dory.

Leo
 
Les, I sure understand where you are coming from. After 20 years of managing corporate and franchise businesses, I stepped away and took on a little "mom and pop" property. Although I lost huge buildings full of support staff, I gained the ability to make every last decision on my own.

Yes, I can imagine the difficulty of loosing the C-Dory line that you have served so admirably but as well, the older I get the more difficult it is to listen to someone that has no idea about how to run my business. Too bad that the C-Dory organization was unable to make room for a dealer of your caliber, but I bet Arima's smile was stunning.

Do what really turns you on Les, you have proven to many of us that you run a company of great integrity and quality. Boat manufacturers should be kissing you hind end, not the other way around. Wish I lived closer as I would have tried hard to get my kids a job sweeping up around your place just for a chance to see true grit in action!
 
Bill sez, "But yeah...kickin' dogs, young or old, just ain't my thang."

Dusty sez, "Whew! Now I can relax and put my walking shoes away."
 
Leo Smith":nz8zd20t said:
Hi Joe,

I can be a little slow on the uptake, but page 3 of this thread doesn't answer my question about Ricardo, whether he is an employee or owner of C-Dory.

Leo

Very sorry, Leo! Upon review, parts of the answer lies in the research links referred to about Ricardo.

He is CEO of the Madison Bay Holdings group, which owns a number of boat manufacturing companies and RV manufacturers.

The company he represents managed to gain at least partial control of Olympic Boats, Skagit Orca Boats, C-Dory, and the Cape Cruiser molds.

He is currently working inside the C-Dory organization and apparently has a lot to do with what's decided.

Here's a LINK to a Wall Street Journal interview of Mr. Ruelas.

Many of the other ideas above have been gleaned from various court documents and other internet sources.

The above ideas are true to the best of my knowledge. I would like to be corrected by anyone who knows differently.

Joe. :thup :teeth
 
As an old man who has spent his life around boats, Karma does work. Sometimes it takes a while but I could write a book illustrating it's eventual truth. Stay safe Les and Dusty. You will long be remembered for all the good things you have done for people. Zelpha
 
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