Electrical Systems 101.1

Oh, my, here we go. You say "sender," "sensor," "tone ring" - I hear "blah, blah, blah" - I don't know where these puppies are, what they look like, but my tachs work more or less as far as I know, and I am pretty well convinced I shouldn't be screwing with them if I want them to CONTINUE to work, same unfortunately with every electrical/mechanical/physical thing on the whole boat... Will I know about these framises and widgets after the course? I am ready for Lesson 2!
B~C":3ooy4uil said:
Check the Ohm value of the sender (whenever a person checks the ohms in a component it must be removed from the circuit and the power off) most speed sensors have a ohm reading of between 500 to 4,000 ohms
Check the adjustment of the sensor, it should be almost touching the tone ring.
Check the output of the sensor, disconnect the sensor and connect your DMM in the ACV mode to the sensor wires, you should see the AC voltage increase with speed. you could also remove the sensor & with meter attached, pass an iron object in front of the pickup, voltage should vary with regards to how fast (and close) you wiz by with the chunk of metal
tune in next week, hope to crank out some material on volts, amps, ohms, watts and my favorite, voltage drops. Voltage drops are the best method of finding bad connections and intemitten problems
 
I haven't forgotten about this project, it will take a bit of time to get it all worded up....ok, it's a motivation issue, it causes me great pain and anguish to word up a post more than a few sentences long.
I rifled through my file cabinet and collected some good handouts for J? Cove
 
The class hasn't even started, and we have a test already. What's wrong with this picture?

Looking at my pictorial schematic, the problem is pretty easy to spot. But wire up the three volt meters this way, and it works great while the switches are closed, but you got problems when everything is shut off.

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OK...

Wouldn't the "juice" backfeed from BATT3 and BATT2 through VM3 and VM2, then through VM1 and the relay and go straight to ground??

:idea How 'bout removing the switch to VM1 and reconnecting it like the other VM's. Then add a switch between VM1 and the relay.

Would that fix it?
 
Current guessing game, pt. 1:

Looks like the switch at VM1 is on the wrong side, leaving VM1 wired in series with the circuits sub parts for VM2 and VM3, rather than parallel, as desired.

The switch should be between the common side after passing through the meters and the NO (Normally Open) relay's coil. Closing the switch activates the magnetic coil, closes the relay, and allows all three meters to connect through the relay to ground, allowing them to register the voltage in their respective batteries.

The way it's hooked up now, battieries 2 and 3 feed current through their meters and then VM1 and to ground through the relay's coil when the switch at VM1 is open. This is probably not enough curent to close the relay because of the combined resistance, but wastes current and doesn't register meanngful info on the meters. Joe.
 
You guys really know this stuff! The switch pictured below VM1 is the cabin disconnect, and has to be where it is. There is a whole bunch of other circuits running all over the place that are not illustrated. When the switch is open, just like you said, the current from the other two batteries feeds back to ground via VM1 and the solenoid coil. VM1 will then have -5 volts or so across the terminals. It's easy to see on paper, but it didn't occur to me while wiring it up. I guess maybe the pictures should be drawn first, huh?

To fix it, I ran the negative side of VM1 straight to ground, since its circuit is broken when the switch is opened. The negative connection for VM2 and VM3 is now routed thru a DPDT relay, so both circuits are independent and broken when the coil drops out. All is good now, except the $26 meter for VM1 that has to be thumped to get an accurate reading. I guess the little needle didn't like going backward.

By the way, the positive legs of the volt meters are fused (1 amp) at their origin.

All I wanted was to see all three volages when the cabin disconnect switch was closed, and have the things go off with the switch. Sheesh - where's B~C when you need him?
 
What do you want the shore power to do? If it is just a battery charger, it will be very simple. If you want a built in battery charger, several outlets (GFRI) and a water heater, plus microwave, it gets a little more complex, but all basically the same.
 
Caty Mae and Steve-

Here's Don Casey's answer, a very good one for basics: (Hope it's not overwhelming to some!)

(I'm going to quote it all here so it goes into the Library Archives for reference)

Anyone working on Shore Power should understand the following:


If you choose to rig a simpler system, you'll do so knowing the risks and better able to do so safely.

Joe.


Safe Shorepower
by Don Casey

However you bring shorepower aboard your boat, if you do it without the appropriate safeguards, you place yourself, your crew, and your guests at a terrible--and foolish--risk.

Three-Conductor System
AC circuits use three wires, and it is essential to your safety to understand the function of each. Because the direction of current flow in an AC circuit is reversing 120 times per second (60 positive-to-negative-and-back-to-positive cycles), it is counterintuitive to refer to one side of an AC circuit as positive and the other as negative. Instead, we call one side hot, the other side neutral. By code the hot wire in an AC circuit is black, red, or blue; the neutral wire is always white. Since the neutral side is connected to ground, it is the hot side of the circuit that is the most dangerous. However, you should always treat both sides with equal respect because a wire reversal to the outlet will make the neutral side hot.

The third wire is called the grounding wire and it connects all metal component, junction, and appliance housings to ground. Since neutral also runs to ground, you might wonder why we need a second grounding wire. It is there to keep you alive. If, for example, a wire inside an appliance comes in contact with the case, the case becomes "hot." No fuse blows because there is no circuit and thus no current flow--not until you touch the case. Then your body completes the path to ground and you get a nasty shock.

The grounding wire changes all that. A short to the case instantly becomes a short to ground, probably opening the breaker in the circuit. Even if the short is insufficient to kick the breaker, or if it occurs while you are holding the appliance, the grounding wire still protects you by providing a lower-resistance path to ground than your body offers. Anything that degrades or opens the grounding circuit, such as a broken connection, a corroded or missing ground prong, or an improperly wired outlet leaves you dangerously vulnerable. Ashore the grounding wire is often bare, but in boat wiring it should be insulated and green. We will come back to this all-important green wire.

Inlet Fitting and Dock Cord
A safe shorepower system begins with a weather-tight inlet fitting. If the shorepower inlet on your boat isn't weather-proof--with and without the cord attached--you need a different fitting. The 30-amp locking receptacle has become the norm at most U.S. and Caribbean marinas, so equipping your boat with a 30-amp inlet minimizes compatibility problems.

Make sure the fitting is in a location that does not put it at risk for submersion or mechanical damage, and that the backside is well ventilated. The wire distance from the inlet to the main AC circuit breaker should never exceed 10 feet.

An extension cord from a builder's supply, even one labeled "Heavy Duty," is not an appropriate shorepower cord. To shrug off the exposure, submersion, abrasion, and strain of marine use, the cable should carry a hard-service rating--SO, ST, or STO. There must be no possibility of the cable pulling free of the plugs (dock cords sometimes become dock lines) or of the plugs pulling out of the receptacles. For 30-amp service, the conductors must be #10 AWG or larger.

Circuit Breakers
Factory shorepower in older boats too often omitted a circuit breaker. The thinking was that a boat was just another "appliance" plugged into the marina circuit, which was already-protected. But faulty marina wiring is too common to entrust your safety to an unknown breaker behind a dock office a quarter of a mile away. A safe AC system requires an onboard dual-pole breaker.

The breaker's rating must not exceed the service; i.e., a 30-amp inlet limits the main breaker to 30-amp. However, if the circuit directly supplies outlets in the cabin, the size of the breaker is limited to the outlet ratings--either 15 or 20 amps.

A single-circuit offers the benefit of simplicity, but if you need multiple AC circuits, breaker panels are available with a main breaker and two or more branch breakers. Despite being commonplace, it is not a good practice to combine AC and DC in the same breaker panel.

Polarity
Reversed polarity leaves your AC circuits unprotected if you have a single-pole main breaker since the breaker is now on the neutral side. Even with double-pole breakers, reversed polarity puts ON-OFF switches on the wrong side of the circuit, leaving OFF appliances fully energized. Be sure your AC panel is equipped with a polarity tester.

Where branch breakers are single pole, be sure they are on the "hot" side of the circuit.

Wire
Resist any temptation to use house wire (Romex) for the AC circuits on your boat. Common house wire is solid copper, fine for a quiescent life inside a wall but unsuitable for the marine environment. Boat wiring requires the flexibility of stranded wire, and it should be tinned for corrosion resistance.

Wire size for AC circuits is generally less a factor of voltage drop than of amperage capacity, but starting currents, particularly for compressors, can momentarily increase the current draw up to 5 times nominal. If the wire is too small, this momentary surge can actually cause supply voltage to drop below the level required to start the compressor. As a practical matter, 15 and 20 amp circuits should be wired with 12-gauge wire. The (unprotected) wire between the inlet fitting and the main breaker should be 10-gauge for a 30-amp inlet and 6-gauge if the service is 50-amp.

Grounding
The green "grounding" wire in AC circuits provides a low resistance path to ground should any of the various metal cases enclosing your AC system become energized. But what if the leak is into the DC wiring, caused, for example, by crossed wires or a short in a battery charger, inverter, or other dual-voltage appliance? AC leaking into the DC system will seek ground, meaning it will automatically travel through the wiring to the ground connection on the engine and down the prop shaft to the water. This is essentially the same as dropping a hot wire into the water. In fresh water, this poses a real risk of electrocution for anyone in the water nearby. Electrocution is less likely in saltwater, but the current field can be enough to paralyze muscles and cause a swimmer to drown.

Connecting the green wire to the ground terminal on the engine offers AC leakage into the DC system a lower-resistance path to ground--through the grounding wire. This eliminates the risk to swimmers as long as the grounding wire connection to ground is sound. However, if corrosion on the ground prong of your dock cord or some other fault breaks the ground connection, all ground-fault current, not just AC to DC leakage, will flow into the water. It is essential to test the ground connection at the dock and to maintain cords and plugs in good condition.

In your breaker box at home the neutral wires and grounding wires all connect to the same terminal strip (or bus bar), but on a boat the AC grounding wire is connected to the DC ground. Also connecting the neutral wire to it makes underwater hardware a current-carrying path to ground, potentially lethal for anyone in the water nearby. On a boat the neutral (white) conductor and the grounding (green) conductor MUST NEVER BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED.

Outlets
Outlets are all polarized, and the Lone Ranger's white horse, Silver, can provide the association necessary to remember which wire connects to which terminal. White goes to silver. So the black wire connects to the opposite terminal, usually brass, but sometimes dark. The green terminal is for the green grounding wire.

Electricians ashore simply tighten terminal screws onto a loop of wire or insert the stripped end into a spring clamp. Neither method is appropriate on a boat. Use a proper crimp terminal or install commercial-grade outlets with screw-tightened clamps in place of the more typical screw terminals. These may be used with stranded wire.

Ground Fault Interrupt
Regular circuit breakers are essentially fire-protection devices and offer no protection against electrical shock. A ground-fault circuit interrupter (GFCI), on the other hand, provides a high degree of shock protection. If you accidentally touch an energized wire or component and you are grounded, the GFCI disconnects the circuit in about 1/40 of a second, too little time for the current to build to a dangerous level.

In recognition of the increased risk of shock in damp environments, many municipal building codes mandate GFCIs in bathrooms and, increasingly, kitchens. Boats are damp environments, and every outlet on a boat should be protected by a GFCI.

GFCIs are inexpensive and easy to install. Simply replace the first outlet on a circuit (counting from the breaker) with a GFCI fixture, and all the outlets on that circuit will be protected. Make sure the terminals marked LINE are connected to the wires leading back to the breaker and those marked LOAD feed the remainder of the circuit. After you install a GFCI fixture, always test it.

Safety
The safest course is to leave AC system repairs to a qualified marine electrician, but if you opt to do the work yourself, never, ever work on an AC circuit hot. Disconnect the cord--and take it off the dock, lest some Good Samaritan send you to the next life. Also disconnect the inverter. Then religiously check all wires with a voltage tester. This is the electrician's version of "measure twice, cut once." Be absolutely certain that there is no voltage between any two wires or any wire and ground.

When it comes to AC power, what you don't know definitely can hurt you.

AC aboard raises a number of additional considerations not covered here. Sailors and powerboaters alike will find a more complete treatment in Sailboat Electrics Simplified by Don Casey.
 
I certainly agree if you are going to do it, do it correctly. 10 years ago when we were cruising Alaska and BC there were a number of marinas which still only had 110 V straight blade 15 amp and 20 amp twist lock circuits.

It is possiable to wire in a battery charger, with a two pole circut breaker (on both hot and neutral, never on ground). I would personally put in a galvanic isolator on the ground (but my CD 25 does not have a galvanic isolator, yet). There are inexpensive 15 amp circuit polarity testers, and every boater which does not have a reverse polarity tester, should own one to test a circuit before plugging in. http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=38016
I find a number of both RV and marina circuits which are miss-wired. The tester has three lights which show if the circuit is correctly polarized and if there is a ground defect.

The battery charger is hard wired to a breaker, with no GFI on the vast majority of boats. The two breaker approach gives protection and "off" on both the hot and neutral wires.

I want all circuits to be Ground fault protected on a boat--not just those near water--because the entire environment is wet and potentially conductive.

Then there is the question of a battery charger, when there is no power on the boat. The only kind I will use is the epoxy potted chargers--Guest makes some 6 and 10 amp ones. These can be used with the heavy duty cords--as Joe suggests. It is rare that one can find the proper duty cord already assembled. But it is possiable to buy the appropiate wire, with adequate protection and insullation, and assemble his own cord. The plug of the battery charger must be kept in an absolutely dry location.

For a proper installation, one needs the water proof connector. In the smaller boats which are trailer kept there are 3 prong 15 amp connectors (best put under a gunnel where it is less likely to have corrosion). Promariner makes such a connection. Many small boats just use the plug, with no other connection, escept hard wiring the battery charger. I would favor a double breaker between the plug and charger, with a galvanic isolator.

Of course with the larger in the water boats, the full pannel, with double breaker on the primary input (30 amp) with the waterproof (so they say) connector on the cabin side and pannel with a breaker on each sub set is essential, along with the reverse polarity indicator.

However even with these precautions, one of the most common causes of boat fires, is at the 110 volt 30 amp electrical twist lock plug. The blades of the plug become carbonized by both corrosion and working of the blades, and minor arcing. This leads to increased resistance and heat. Heat melts the plastic blocks, causing deformity and eventually enough heat to cause a fire. Check the input terminal at least every 6 months. If the blades or socket become black or there is any distortion of the plug or recpitical plug, replace both the socket and the plug with the blades. Unfortunetly many of our boats are made with the "Flip down the lid" plugs on the boat. The better ones are screw on cover, (captive) with a rubber gasket. One can occasionally spray the blades with an anti corrosive and avoid many of the above problems. I will be replacing the plastic flip down the lid units this year, with the more expensvie metal, screw type covers this year.

One of my "pet peeves" is that many marinas do not have positive connections with the barrel screw connector around the outside of the plug, and this allows your plug to work in the connector on the pedistal. I always have a 6 foot piece of line which I can wrap around the pedistal to assure that these plugs are not pulled out.
 
One of the things I often have to look up when making my own dock cords and plug converters is the position of the hot, common, and ground wire in the various plug configurations. (Second box below.)

West Marine has the following diagram on page 433 of it's 2007 catalogue plus much more of this type of information on 433 and 434.

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Thanks for posting the blade styles. The Marinco plugs are color coded on the screws--green, silver and black. The very confusing part is when you go to 50 amps, and 220. Fortunately this does not involve C Dories.
There are two completely different 50 amp systems--and I have adaptors for both, since there are a few places in Florida where one might end up which only have 50 amps available to you. (For example some nearby boats may take two of the 30's (very common set up on medium sized boats to have two 30 amp inputs) and the 15 amp is not enough power.

Unfortunately some of these 50 amp adaptors cost several hundred dollars. I found mine at consignment shops.
 
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