kennharriet
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Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with these 4 strokes for a dingy motor?
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Dingy motor
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kennharriet
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I was considering this as a dingy motor because it only weighs 20 lbs. The price seems very reasonable compared to other 4 strokes in the 2 hp range. I wonder about it being air cooled. Would be nice if someone would buy one so I could borrow it. Any takers?
journey on
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I wonder if this is a reprise of the Curse 'n Tarry (Cruise 'n Carry)? I had one and for 2 HP it was great.
As indicated, air cooled AND with a neutral. 2-stroke and loud. Balance that by cheap and light. Note that the motor make is BridgeStone, who built Japanese M/C's in the '60s. It's probably the o'l Curse 'n Tarry transferred to China and updated.
I had that motor for a couple of years, donated it to a church and last I heard it was in the Congo. Running when I donated it, but the problem was 2 HP is 2 HP.
If you can use 2 HP, can take a little noise, try it.
Boris
As indicated, air cooled AND with a neutral. 2-stroke and loud. Balance that by cheap and light. Note that the motor make is BridgeStone, who built Japanese M/C's in the '60s. It's probably the o'l Curse 'n Tarry transferred to China and updated.
I had that motor for a couple of years, donated it to a church and last I heard it was in the Congo. Running when I donated it, but the problem was 2 HP is 2 HP.
If you can use 2 HP, can take a little noise, try it.
Boris
That does remind me of the Cruise 'n Carry. I had one in 2.7 HP which weighed 12.7 pounds and it pushed my Achilles with authority. It was a noisy, air-cooled thing, but very reliable. The company that made them actually made lightweight leaf-blowers and then adapted the technology to outboards. I still have a used one here at home.
Nick
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Nick
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Matt Gurnsey
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I have not seen these before.
I can tell you that we take a fair number of Honda 2 Horse models in trade because of the noise of the air cooled engine, so I imagine these will be even noisier.
Imagine your seed whacker or leaf blower running full out behind your boat for hours on end. Bring the ear plugs....
BTW- Since these are not for sale in California, they are not three star compliant.
I can tell you that we take a fair number of Honda 2 Horse models in trade because of the noise of the air cooled engine, so I imagine these will be even noisier.
Imagine your seed whacker or leaf blower running full out behind your boat for hours on end. Bring the ear plugs....
BTW- Since these are not for sale in California, they are not three star compliant.
kennharriet
Member
Sooo... Maybe you could all go together and buy one. Then I could borrow it and check it out. That way, none of us would be out much. :teeth
Matt Gurnsey":ekh07x6l said:I have not seen these before.
Imagine your seed whacker or leaf blower running full out behind your boat for hours on end. Bring the ear plugs....
Seed whacking, sounds dangerous…must require full body armor in addition to ear protection. :wink
Seriously though, I’d be concerned with longevity in and around salt water. Their also banned in California…must be dirty little noise beasts.
My opinion is that a lot of the smallest outboards are unnecessarily noisy, unreliable, rough running, and difficult to operate because of their design.
When possible get an engine that has:
1. two cylinders; they're much smoother than just one.
2. water cooled; it runs cooler to the touch, and is usually a more sophisticated, purpose-built engine, not an adaptation of a lawnmower, generator, weed-whacker, chainsaw, or other type of engine.
3. has a F-N-R gearshift, or at least a F-N set up; they're much easier to maneuver with than a direct drive, or even a centrifugal clutch system.
4. is light enough to handle easily; the older non-EPA compliant 2-cycle ones are lighter than the newer 4 strokes, but it's a tough trade-off, and you have to mix the gas and oil, etc. As one gets older, a 34 lb outboard looks increasingly better than a 47 lb one.
5. another nice feature is to have a motor that will run off either it's internal gas tank or an external one, especially if you're going to use it both on a dinghy and as a kicker motor.
That would be my shopping list, along with some research into the history of the reliability, repair record, and parts availability of any motor I was considering.
Joe. :teeth :thup
When possible get an engine that has:
1. two cylinders; they're much smoother than just one.
2. water cooled; it runs cooler to the touch, and is usually a more sophisticated, purpose-built engine, not an adaptation of a lawnmower, generator, weed-whacker, chainsaw, or other type of engine.
3. has a F-N-R gearshift, or at least a F-N set up; they're much easier to maneuver with than a direct drive, or even a centrifugal clutch system.
4. is light enough to handle easily; the older non-EPA compliant 2-cycle ones are lighter than the newer 4 strokes, but it's a tough trade-off, and you have to mix the gas and oil, etc. As one gets older, a 34 lb outboard looks increasingly better than a 47 lb one.
5. another nice feature is to have a motor that will run off either it's internal gas tank or an external one, especially if you're going to use it both on a dinghy and as a kicker motor.
That would be my shopping list, along with some research into the history of the reliability, repair record, and parts availability of any motor I was considering.
Joe. :teeth :thup
kennharriet
Member
Thanks for all the input! I did recently purchase the 6 hp Tohatsu as a kicker. At 57 lbs. I decided it is too much to transfer as a dingy motor. I really do not want to rig a davit system to transfer it. So I am looking at single purpose dingy motor options.
Maybe a better question to ask all of you. What is the lightest, 4 stroke, water cooled, quiet, quality, dingy motor out there?
Maybe a better question to ask all of you. What is the lightest, 4 stroke, water cooled, quiet, quality, dingy motor out there?
The 2.5 hp Suzuki as mentioned is a great 4 stroke true marine motor. A lot of power (and I am sure a lot more "push") than the leaf blower type of motor referenced above. It is only 29 lbs, and we have used one for 3 years with excellent results. For the small dinghy, I like the internal tank. For a bigger dinghy the external fuel tank is a plus. From what I have seen of the Cruise and Carry or mighty mite, they were not the best.
Not like a Sea Gull. The Seagulls were some what excentric, but still very reliable engines.
i disagree slightly with Joe. I used to think that the small 2 cyl outboards were better, but the current generation of 4 stroks, are smooth, and very reliable. I have had much less problems with them, than the older 2 cyl engines.
Not like a Sea Gull. The Seagulls were some what excentric, but still very reliable engines.
i disagree slightly with Joe. I used to think that the small 2 cyl outboards were better, but the current generation of 4 stroks, are smooth, and very reliable. I have had much less problems with them, than the older 2 cyl engines.
journey on
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The Seagull was an English outboard motor. They were sort of like English motorcycles of the 50s, did the job but when modern designs came in they went out of business. Actually Edward Turner, who ran Triumph M/C prior to going down the tubes, then went over to Seagull and put that business to rest.
I heard that it was designed for the Normandy invasion, intended to be a throwaway to get to the beach. This summer I met a sailor who had a Seagull. Met him again a couple of weeks later, and he'd sailed upwind from Clayquot Sound to Nootka Sound because his motor died. Asked where he got spare parts, and the only answer was "I have a spare one at home."
I think a Seagull would teach you to appreciate modern outboards. They were certainly eccentric, and I leave the reliability to others.
Boris
I heard that it was designed for the Normandy invasion, intended to be a throwaway to get to the beach. This summer I met a sailor who had a Seagull. Met him again a couple of weeks later, and he'd sailed upwind from Clayquot Sound to Nootka Sound because his motor died. Asked where he got spare parts, and the only answer was "I have a spare one at home."
I think a Seagull would teach you to appreciate modern outboards. They were certainly eccentric, and I leave the reliability to others.
Boris
kennharriet
Member
Looking at the Suzuki 2.5 hp specs, I think it will do nicely. Thanks again all for the suggestions.
Bob-
I don't think the older 2 cycle engines were better, just lighter, and with a small inflatable dinghy to rig in the water, or for a square ended canoe, I just like the lighter weight.
Where the weight is not an issue, the four strokes are definitely better, much like they are in the larger outboards, though it's not so dramatically different, since the little guys don't have Electronic Fuel Injection and start and run like modern cars, which the big 4 strokes do, as you well know.
Cheers!
Joe. :teeth :thup
I don't think the older 2 cycle engines were better, just lighter, and with a small inflatable dinghy to rig in the water, or for a square ended canoe, I just like the lighter weight.
Where the weight is not an issue, the four strokes are definitely better, much like they are in the larger outboards, though it's not so dramatically different, since the little guys don't have Electronic Fuel Injection and start and run like modern cars, which the big 4 strokes do, as you well know.
Cheers!
Joe. :teeth :thup
I once had a 4 hp evinrude 2-cycle. It had to be a 70's model. It had f-n-r, weighed next to nothing, purred like a kitten and was water cooled. The really big plus was it was 2-cylinder so no vibration. I was in an outboard shop here in salem recently and they had a couple of them. They were only like $250. Seems like a lot for an old motor but they were sweet. I could tolerate carrying some mix for the quietness and smoothness I could get. If you could get that in a new 4-stroke I would probably go there. I love my little honda 2hp but it shakes like crazy. But it starts as easy as an electric blender and is only 29 pounds so I tolerate it. I don't even mind not having gears.