Very, very nice install. I am thinking about duplicating this entire setup. Couple of questions since there seems to be some experts here. How do you think this heater will do in Alaska? Will it keep the cabin warm in below 30 f temps? Second, Dora Jean...are you worried about sea water getting in through the exhaust?
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catdogcat,
Thanks. I can't answer for this heater's effectiveness in 30 deg weather, but with the windows closed, I'd think it will do just fine in any C-Dory. It puts out 4,000 btu, constant. The Wallas 125 dual burner stove that most people have put out 2,000-6,000 btu. That puts the 1300 right in the middle.
As far as water intrusion, funny you should ask. Yesterday on the very quick "Channel Islands Quickie Cruise", we encountered some fairly nasty waves, many of which hit me on the starboard side that I'm sure submerged or doused the combo intake/exhaust thru-hull well. I checked the inside for any water intrusion very carefully after getting back onto the trailer, none whatsoever! I used high temperature silicon around the exhaust and intake tube fittings before sliding on the tubes and clamping in place. The thru-hull and tubes themselves are stainless steel and sealed.
One very nice unit.
Thanks. I can't answer for this heater's effectiveness in 30 deg weather, but with the windows closed, I'd think it will do just fine in any C-Dory. It puts out 4,000 btu, constant. The Wallas 125 dual burner stove that most people have put out 2,000-6,000 btu. That puts the 1300 right in the middle.
As far as water intrusion, funny you should ask. Yesterday on the very quick "Channel Islands Quickie Cruise", we encountered some fairly nasty waves, many of which hit me on the starboard side that I'm sure submerged or doused the combo intake/exhaust thru-hull well. I checked the inside for any water intrusion very carefully after getting back onto the trailer, none whatsoever! I used high temperature silicon around the exhaust and intake tube fittings before sliding on the tubes and clamping in place. The thru-hull and tubes themselves are stainless steel and sealed.
One very nice unit.
catdogcat-
To put the 4,000 BTU output in perspective-
A standard propane or gas stove top burner puts out 6000 BTUs-
which is equivalent to a standard small room electric heater of about 1800 watts running on the "High" setting.*
My Force 10 Cozy Cabin propane heater keeps up with my 22 set on about
2,000 BTUs in 35-50 degree weather
4,000 BTUs in 25-35 degree weather
and the 6,000 BTU setting should be good down to about 15 degrees, as a guess (this is California speaking)
Red Fox uses the same heater anchored overnight next to the glaciers in PWS and elsewhere in Alaska.
The only other thing to think about is that the Wallas 1300 has a fixed output of 4,000 BTUs and cannoat be dialed up or down, or turned on and off in short cycles by a thermostat. You turn it on and ventilate extra heat to suit. Also keep in mind Steve's Dora Jean is also a CD-25, not a 22.
On the now archived C-Dog site, Dale installed a Toyatomi forced air furnace like the W-1300, and found it was a bit too much for a CD-22 Angler (smaller cabin yet!) in the California Delta. OTOH, better to be able to open the window and cool down with too much heat, rather than have too little!
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* The BTU output is for a 1 minute period, so
6,000 BTUs in 60 seconds is 100 BTUs per second, and
1 BTU = 17.57 watts, so
100 BTUs = 1757 watts!
(some unit conversion omitted)
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Joe.
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To put the 4,000 BTU output in perspective-
A standard propane or gas stove top burner puts out 6000 BTUs-
which is equivalent to a standard small room electric heater of about 1800 watts running on the "High" setting.*
My Force 10 Cozy Cabin propane heater keeps up with my 22 set on about
2,000 BTUs in 35-50 degree weather
4,000 BTUs in 25-35 degree weather
and the 6,000 BTU setting should be good down to about 15 degrees, as a guess (this is California speaking)
Red Fox uses the same heater anchored overnight next to the glaciers in PWS and elsewhere in Alaska.
The only other thing to think about is that the Wallas 1300 has a fixed output of 4,000 BTUs and cannoat be dialed up or down, or turned on and off in short cycles by a thermostat. You turn it on and ventilate extra heat to suit. Also keep in mind Steve's Dora Jean is also a CD-25, not a 22.
On the now archived C-Dog site, Dale installed a Toyatomi forced air furnace like the W-1300, and found it was a bit too much for a CD-22 Angler (smaller cabin yet!) in the California Delta. OTOH, better to be able to open the window and cool down with too much heat, rather than have too little!
***********************************************************
* The BTU output is for a 1 minute period, so
6,000 BTUs in 60 seconds is 100 BTUs per second, and
1 BTU = 17.57 watts, so
100 BTUs = 1757 watts!
(some unit conversion omitted)
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Joe.
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Yep, my same thinking Joe, better to have too much heat than not enough if it's going to be a fixed output. It uses very little fuel, about 3 ozs per hr according to Scan Marine, so it's not going to break the boat-money bank like gasolene is doing...
One advantage of slightly more BTU's than needed is it will heat the cabin up a little faster after coming in from a cold dive or damp evening on shore! An advantage of its fixed output is that I don't have to remember to turn up the heat for a few minutes before shutting it down -- to burn away any soot accumulation or whatever.
One advantage of slightly more BTU's than needed is it will heat the cabin up a little faster after coming in from a cold dive or damp evening on shore! An advantage of its fixed output is that I don't have to remember to turn up the heat for a few minutes before shutting it down -- to burn away any soot accumulation or whatever.
catdogcat":1cnsdyf1 said:Will it keep the cabin warm in below 30 f temps?
We just came back from our inaugural cruise of 2006 yesterday; one of the earliest ever. The ice just went out five days before. After three days of weather in the 60s and mid-70s, yesterday's return was made in 35F, 25 mph N winds, and snow squalls. Our 125 DU kept the cabin at a comfortable 65F even with a couple of side windows cracked for ventilation. We had no idea how really cold it was until we got out at our dock; we like to froze to death! I'm not sure there's another boat on our lake that would've kept us as comfortable and we owe it largely to our Wallas.
Al
Just completed installation of Wallas 85DU cooktop and blower lid. It is a redesigned and upgraded model - Finnish artistry in engineering I have seen it described.
Installation went well and it flashed up on the first light and then shut down after a bit of heat - maybe because of a dry system? It lit up and worked flawlessly on the second light. Fuelled with K1 clear kerosene.
I ordered it from Scanmarine, Seattle - excellent people to deal with.
cheers - Dave
Installation went well and it flashed up on the first light and then shut down after a bit of heat - maybe because of a dry system? It lit up and worked flawlessly on the second light. Fuelled with K1 clear kerosene.
I ordered it from Scanmarine, Seattle - excellent people to deal with.
cheers - Dave
HI DAVE , I am really happy for you about your new Wallas stove . You are going to enjoy this new addition , I thought that more C-Brat members would Have jumped in and had a few words with you but like good old Red Fox said it is a LITTLE clicky in that forum , maybe your on the wrong side of the Minut..... M..... Fence ?
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Steve:
I have a Wallas 125 DU in my 22. I installed it using an aluminum adaptor plate I fabricated to cover the Origo cutout and disperse the heat from the Wallace. No modification of the countertop is needed. The other installation considerations are connecting to 12 volt power, mounting the control and installing the thru-hull exhaust fitting. All are fairly easy, but you need to be very particular on where you drill the hole for the thru-hull.
With that said, I am remodeling my galley and will be selling the Wallace complete with the adaptor and exhaust system, manual, and shipped to you in the original box. You have first dibs on it for only $1k! It has always worked great on either diesel or kerosene, but I prefer kerosene because you don't have to biocide it and it smells a little nicer.
Let me know if you want it, otherwise I'll let it go to the next Brat in line. I can have it out and on it's way in a day.
Have fun!
Roy...Fun Patrol
I have a Wallas 125 DU in my 22. I installed it using an aluminum adaptor plate I fabricated to cover the Origo cutout and disperse the heat from the Wallace. No modification of the countertop is needed. The other installation considerations are connecting to 12 volt power, mounting the control and installing the thru-hull exhaust fitting. All are fairly easy, but you need to be very particular on where you drill the hole for the thru-hull.
With that said, I am remodeling my galley and will be selling the Wallace complete with the adaptor and exhaust system, manual, and shipped to you in the original box. You have first dibs on it for only $1k! It has always worked great on either diesel or kerosene, but I prefer kerosene because you don't have to biocide it and it smells a little nicer.
Let me know if you want it, otherwise I'll let it go to the next Brat in line. I can have it out and on it's way in a day.
Have fun!
Roy...Fun Patrol
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Joe, Steve and the group
Good to be back on the site...been doing lots of traveling, but the big hangup was the trauma of buying a new laptop, changing providers and dealing with the new headaches!
I have to appologize, I didn't look at the dates of the posts, so my info for Steve was a little stale...anyway I will have the Wallas 125 DU available if anyone needs one. The "Big Plan" calls for redoing the cabinets and going with propane for cooking and heat. We have been cooking with propane for years and using the Wallace for heat.
However......we have had a change of plans since my last post. I have a time eating project that just popped up and I won't be able to get to the galley remodel before we leave for the Northwest around June 1, so the Wallace will have to stay onboard for awhile, but will be available sometime in the fall. I'll repost it when we get back.
Come to think of it, I also have the original Origo alcohol stove if anyone needs one of those.
Later, Roy
Good to be back on the site...been doing lots of traveling, but the big hangup was the trauma of buying a new laptop, changing providers and dealing with the new headaches!
I have to appologize, I didn't look at the dates of the posts, so my info for Steve was a little stale...anyway I will have the Wallas 125 DU available if anyone needs one. The "Big Plan" calls for redoing the cabinets and going with propane for cooking and heat. We have been cooking with propane for years and using the Wallace for heat.
However......we have had a change of plans since my last post. I have a time eating project that just popped up and I won't be able to get to the galley remodel before we leave for the Northwest around June 1, so the Wallace will have to stay onboard for awhile, but will be available sometime in the fall. I'll repost it when we get back.
Come to think of it, I also have the original Origo alcohol stove if anyone needs one of those.
Later, Roy
Great news to report on the Wallas 1300. Had a chance to use it a couple of times, once at night during 'movie hour' and once underway. Ran it for 2 1/2 hrs while watching a movie, all windows closed except 1 opened 1/2", about 45-50 deg out. Cabin was comfortable, not overheated like I thought with 4,000 Btu output. Another day was motoring in nasty weather, got a bit chilly, reached over flipped on the heater, wonderful. Looks like this will work perfectly for my needs on my CD-25!