Chartplotter Q's - Garmin 431s Yes or No

hank schneider

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Hey Folks
Have a new (used) fishing boat that came w/o any electronics. Anyone have comments + or - about the Garmin 431s combo? Price seems reasonable ($430). Any other models that I might want to consider? Thanks
Hank
Miss my Cape Cruiser - but will have another cruiser soon.
 
I had the earlier version of that model on a boat I ran. Decent image and performance, but I don't like Garmin's new menu interface. It used to be you could get into the menu, make an adjustment, and then exit out of the menu back to the screen you were on.

Now, it's multiple steps in to the menu system, and the multiple steps back out. And then back to the "Home" page, and step into the page you were already on.

For this reason, and the limited service life of Garmin products I am not recomending Garmin to our customers.
 
I have to agree. My old 192C was much easier to use than the 541 I have now. In fact, an old Humminbird Matrix I used to have was easier than the 541, just wasn't color.
 
Matt, What do you mean by a limited service life? Have you seen many Garmin units fail?

Why are they picking up so many boat manufacturer contracts lately?
 
Limited service life being how long the product is supported by the manufacturer.

Garmin doesn't support products much beyond their sales life. Furuno plans on supporting a product at least 10 years after they stop production. Garmin may offer repairs for a year or two at the very outside.

Failure rates on Garmins is pretty low. And with this small stuff, when it finally gives up the ghost, most owners will replace because the expense is so low.

As far as what manufacturers put on boats- it has very little to do with quality of the unit and is more about what the electronics manufacturer is willing to pay for.

Raymarine was on tons of boats at one point because they were willing to discount the product very heavily, and most boat manufacturers didn't have to pay for the product until the boat sold.

Garmin is now filling that market niche because Raymarine had money issues and couldn't keep going the way they were going. Brunswick, which was the largest buyer of Raymarine product that was factory installed went and bought their own electronics companies to try to get electronics at a lower price, and have a more "complete" integration of the product (similar to what they did with aquiring Mercury for motors).

They bought Northstar and Navman- two respected brands, and quickly ran them into the ground. They lost money, and dumped the product lines. Navico picked them up to go along with Lowrance, B&G and Simrad. Navman became Nortstar branded products, and both lines are now gone (although tye NSE designation on the new Simrad networked product stands for "North Star Edition").

Manufacturer's who are interested in having the best product on board tend to go Furuno and do so without any discounts from the manufacturer. Furuno product isn't sexy, but it works, and is built to heavier standards than the Lowrance and Garmin (or Raymarine) lines. I used to Joke that Raymarine wanted to be Furuno, Garmin wanted to be Raymarine and Lowrance wanted to be Garmin.

While Raymarine has faltered some (I think FLIR may be able to do something with the line), Garmin is indeed making inroads into the market niche that Raymarine had.
 
In answer to whether it's a worthwhile unit- I would play with it in a store, and see how you feel about the menu system and how hard it is to adjust setting while using the unit.

Reliability-wise, the Garmin's are well built for what they are. All the electronics this size have become disposable units- when they break go buy a new one.
 
I use a Garmin 541 on the Caracal. Garmin still is the most intuitative to use, and easiest to use. Agree that the old menue was easier--but probably because we were used to it.

Garmin has very good GPS/chart plotter, and decent fish finders. Support is good.

I think that a 5" screen is about minimal size for realistic use, especially if you are splitting it between a GPS plotter and Fish finder. But another option is a 4" GPS and a 3 to 4" dedicated sounder (takes a bit more dash space, but a lot more screen area.

Consider that you have to look at the screen as you are blasting across the 2 foot chop--and then the 4" screen seems a bit small....

I think that FLIR is a class act and is bringing the status of RayMarine back up. Certainly Furuno is commercial grade in comparison and has the best support. It is not as "flashy" in recreational line.
 
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