CD 22 Questions

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Cutty Sark

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Hey all, I am new to group but have been lurking a while. I currently own a 16 Foot Arima Sea explorer, which I love. It is a great boat, but I'm already seeing a need for something larger(have family). My primary use is fishing but I like to cruise as well. When purchasing my current boat, I looked at both C dory's and Arima's and went with the Arima based on what was available, and the arima seemed a bit bigger for a small boat.
Now the difference between the Arima 21 and A C-Dory 22 isnt as much and they are similar in they're both modified V hulls that get flat towards the stern. Now the Arima is more geared towards fishing (built in bait boxes etc..) And th CD is more towards cruising. But the CD is really growing on me for dual purpose. So here are my questions. What are your guys top speeds if you pin it? Not that I'm in a major hurry but like to have the power and speed if needed. I do understand th CD is not a speed boat, I'm just curious if any body gets up to say 30 or 35 in flat weather. Why only a 100 hp on a 22 cruiser?Apples and oranges but on the Arima 22 you can go up to 300 hp. Not that I want that much, or want to pay for a motor that big. But it seems like a 22 footer would be able to handle a 135 at least. I believe max HP for my 16 ft is 100 hp? How many guys go offshore as I want something I can take to umatilla or swiftsure, one of my other reasons for wanting a bigger boat. Does anyone make trips like this routinely? I'm 5'11 Would I be able to stand fully inside a CD? Having both engines on the transom is new to me too. Can you use an ez steer on them for the kicker? I'm already half convinced that a CD is right for me. One swaying factor is this group. You guys are very active compared to the Arima owners group.

Sark
 
Howdy Sark,

And welcome to the best little bar in all netdome. You will get a dozen or so answers to your questions, I'm sure, but I'll start. I've owned Arima and C-Dory and have run them a lot. They are both great boats but totally different in concept.

The hull shapes are totally different - the 22 CD, unless you load it down with a bunch of toys as I do, is a light-weight easily driven hull. There are many still running around out there with 75 HP and under. Many owners get North of 4 NMPG -- and that can easily be increased by slowing down. The hull is FLAT at the stern - nearly 0 degrees deadrise. It gets up on an easy plane around 9-10 knots (load dependent), and will take a lot of weather - but slow down you must, or suffer. Some folks get 30 knots flat out - I don't. And IMO the hull is happy around 15-17 knots. Sorry RF, I'm just talking about my boat.

Mr. Arima built his boats to fish, and there are none better for that... I've run and owned 17, 19, 21, and 22 Arimas... for fishing my favorite is the 21. An ideal fishing machine for me would be the 21 Arima HT with a 150 Honda (135 great also). And Swiftsure would be no problem unless weather makes the charter guys go home. My 21 Arima with 130 Honda had a top in low 40s, and an easy cruise of 30 knots... and it runs into a heavy chop much better than CD 22.

So for me it has to depend on how you will use the boat. The 22 CD does it all - but slower. Tows easily, easy to launch and retrieve, great overnighter or live aboard (El and Bill) -- and a great boat to shrimp, crab or fish from. A VW camper for sure. And it will take lots of weather if you back off. The 21 Arima is a fishing boat that you can use overnight if you must. I know, I know, some folks weekend on them, and even a whole vacation... but the CD is far superior for family overnighting.

So this is strike one. There will be many batters up!

Dusty
 
Hi sark and welcome to the c-brats. first off i just ordered my 22 c-dory two weeks ago and will not get it until feb. Like you i looked at the arima and the c-dory both for two years or so. I went with the c-dory because of the better cabin and comfort even thru I am a avid fisherman. face it we would go fishing in anything, anytime, anywhere but its lonely. I like to have the family along and they are more willing to come along when they are comfortable. As for the engine size i am getting a 90 because honda does not make a 100 and the rating on the c-dory only goes to 100 hp. I plan to be able to run in the 29 to 31 mph range on flat water but mid 20s is more likely the norm which is fine because thats what i get out of my starcraft now, also remember that when a 24 trophy bayliner with v6 or 8 runs up to the islands at 40 mph hes burning a lot more fuel and he will not plane at 12 mph the way a c-dory can. with that said several c-brats have 100 or 115 on their 22s. if i had bought used i would have looked for a older boat with a 70 ( and thats what a lot of them have) and replaced it with the lightest 120 i could get.

Now for the head room. its great. Iam 6ft even and have no problem standing in a c-dory with a standard top and the new high top that i ordered is down right roomy. at 6'3 my brother should not have any problems.

Back to fishing I know mr fisherman will chime in here. some of these guys run off shore for tuna and halibut on the oregon coast. that pretty much sayes it all for me. I will be running in the san juans and the sound but trips to victoria and up the b.c coast are in the planning stages for this summer. look in the forums area and then look under fishing and you will see that these boats catch their fair share.

come to the boat show and if you need a ride to make up your mind i will have my boat (still not sure of the name) in late feb.and would be willing to take you for a ride .
 
starcrafttom":1vm52abl said:
face it we would go fishing in anything, anytime, anywhere but its lonely.
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You just can't help but like this guy!

Sorry to interupt your discussion.
 
Welcome to the C-Brats! I get 31 statute miles per hour wide open on flat water in my 22 with a 90 hp Honda and a stainless steel three-blade prop. Am not personally familiar with Arima boats, but selling point for me on the CD 22 is its ability to do so many things well. Cabin comfort is a big factor for outings with my little girls in all kinds of weather. For the riverine boating and beachcombing that we do a lot of, the shallow draft and light weight is also a big plus.
Happy boating,
 
I just might have to take you up on that Starcraft Tom. I have yet to ride in a C-Dory, and I think thats what it'll come down to, test rides in both. By the way are you a member of Sno-King PSA? I seem to remember seeing you post on the website.If so see ya at tomorrows meeting.I know the fisherman in me says get the arima, but the I know my wife would prefer a C-Dory for comfort. I use the boat alot with some of my buds but as my boys get older I'm sure they will want to fish more and more. Good thing I'm not in a hurry. I'm planning on keeping the Arima for one more season, so I have time. I would still like to hear more from some guys who do some offshore fishing in their CD's. I do most of my fishing in the sound but really want to be able to get to some of the better offshore holes.
 
yes i am in the psa and thank for reminding me about the meeting. half the time i get off work and i am so tired i forget to go. missed at lest 6 this year.
 
Welcome aboard....

I searched, researched, crawled over every type of boat, bugged everyone I could get an ear from and 5 years later, I bought the Sea Lion.
I am all about fishing. All fishing, all the time. At first I wanted an Arima but then I stumbled over these fine folks and started reading about all the gatherings and seeing how they help each other with little issues that come up. I took a closer look at the boat show crawling over both the Arima and the C-Dory. I noticed a lot more flex in the Arima gunnels. I am a large fellow and if there is flex to be found I will bring it out. Well the C-Dory did not flex in that area at all.
Another difference you didn't bring up is the flotation hull design and foam filling in the Arima. I really appreciated this feature and gave it a lot of consideration when I was shopping... then I read about what a pain it was to change a bilge pump in an Arima and I started looking at maintainance... The C-Dory really shines in this department. I have owned plenty of boats and my least favorite thing to do is maintainance. One of the most important maintenance items is the bilge pump for an off shore boat.
Next I looked at fish storage... The Arima has nice in floor fish boxes, plumbed bait wells and insulated boxes as well as a wash down station. Nothing in a C-Dory.
Well I wanted to get a ride and fish of both boats before making up my mind. I went to both web sites and begged for rides to go fishing to see how they performed. I did get to test ride an Arima and liked it but was not able to fish off it. Tyboo gave me and the family a trip around Sand Island and let me and my son drive the boat. It was slower than I expected, but it felt like a tank. It was more stable and reminded me of a trusty jeep. He had customized his boat with more gadgets and contraptions than I had ever seen on a small boat. I looked over the design of the C-Dory again and was more than impressed with how easy it was to customize and maintain the boat.
Later that year, I brought home my prize, a 1995 C-Dory Angler. It was powered with a 2 stroke 75 horse motor and I fished the heck out of it. I later upgraded to a 4 stroke 90 HP and I love it. With the 75 Hp 4 stroke I was able to get up to 32 mph. With the 90 I am able to get up to 36 and once saw 37 going down stream with the wind behind me. I don't have trim tabs yet and might be able to squeeze more out but I really am not interested in doing that anymore. I love my boat, ask anyone who has fished with me. I have surpassed the fish holding capacity of every boat I fish regularly and this one is no exception even though I have purchased and carried commercial fish totes and coolers.
Take a look in my boat photo album. I would say that 95% or more of those fish were caught 18 to 55 miles off shore in the Pacific Ocean.
Did I make the right decision, H E double toothpick YES I did, for me... would it be the right decision for you? Only you can answer that. I will tell you this.... This is the first boat I have owned that when I go down the road and see another boat I don't think, "What a lucky guy, I sure wish I had that"... not anymore. I am content and happy with my boat and I think that speaks volumes. I never knew I could be this content with owning a boat.
I am 5'9" and have no issue with head room. I try to make sure my tall guests don't sit in the front settee seat when we are underway if I can help it. If I were to order I'd get the tall cabin option. For me the Angler is just what the Doctor ordered. More room to fish and enough room to overnight or camp if I want.
I hope you are as happy with your decision as I am with mine.
Happy shopping and stay in touch. Let me know if you have any further questions.
 
Shhh...he's not sposed t'know that, yet. Not til after he learns the secret handshake, and the true meaning of the "C" in "C-Dory. Sheesh!
 
starcrafttom":2fgefuew said:
pat that was a little unfair to impl....look a boat..
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SCT -

I sure hope you (and me) make it to the SBSCBC. I gotta meet you. You should not, however, post these wise cracks at a time when I can read them at work. I am not supposed to be in this office, and falling off the chair laughing is gonna get me caught.

Now all we need to do is get your username changed to something a little less "aluminum" sounding.

And one comment on the fishability of the CD22. There is no better place to be for sturgeon catching than standing ankle deep in the water with dry feet. The lack of a raised deck, which places the floor of the cockpit a few inches below the water line, is one of the best fishing features of the CD. And if you take your kids along, they would have to jump to fall out.
 
Mike
I got an idea for a poll or raffle :idea People can submit suggestions for a new name for starcrafttom. We can vote on the most popular. Better yet. put all the names in a hat and draw out the winning name at the CBC. :xlol
Tom, just kidding :embarrased Really hope to meet you at the SBS/CBC.
 
Thanks for your replies, Lots of good info. I still am curious about the EZ steer though, does anybody use these? I love it on my current boat .I also am still wondering why a C Dory is only rated to 100 hp. For such a big boat (22 ft) it seems like it should be able to handle more. I've read posts that refer to a couple guys having or wanting 115's on their CD's. Is it purely that the boat cant handle the extra speed(gets squirelly) or is it a transom weight issue? I'm confused. I'm not a speed demon and my current boat only goes 32-35 mph, but I must admit I like haulin butt in glass, And being the fisherman that I am I will be making lots of runs to fishing grounds. Basically the only things that steer me towards an arima are the fact that you can put a larger engine on if you want to, and that its foam filled. The fishing layout is nice too, but I really need something the family will appreciate as well. Which the CD 22 fits much better.
 
HP:

Part of the issue has to do with weight -- the CD carries double it's own weight. Not a factor for most, but some of us load them very heavy. It is extremely hard to put a hp rating on such a craft, to much hp light, and the light-headed will use all of that hp with no hesitation, pitchpole, and promptly sue. Luckilly, on this type of boat the HP range is just about right for most uses. It will push a big load on plane, and it will satisfy most on glass with a light load. It is a different kind of boat, requires a different kind of attitude, and isn't for everyone's tastes though.

For those who want speed, let me suggest:
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it's all relative.

The new CD's are foam filled under the bunks, so you won't be shark-bait in them either, although, from your fishing standpoint, it may be the Arima is what you should go with. The nice thing about a CD is if it doesn't work out for your plans, you're not going to lose a lot of money on the re-sale.

Good luck!
 
Lots of reasons why no more power on the CD - the hull was designed basically as a light weight, easily driven hull. Insurance is a factor, and my insurance company, and many others, will not insure over the builder's recommended hp.

You actually gain very little in top end going from 100 hp to 115 -- maybe 3 or 4 kmph -- and unless you are running a long way to your fishing hole that doesn't make much difference. Here in the Deception area it is a rare time you can even run at 20... the boat is not unstable at 30 or so -- don't know from there on up. Red Fox, my friend in AK, runs the 115 Yami and loves it... sweet engine, and works for him. He's a special guy with a special boat...

The 22 Arima is also a great boat, but much (MUCH) larger than the 22 CD. Great fishing boat and good family cruiser. But that rascal is big. Mine had a 130 Honda, which was adequate, but lots of folks go on up the HP line. By the time you fill up with fuel and water, and put it on an adequate trailer your gotta have a big tow vehicle. Problem with Arima - they are about 5 months out if you ordered one today. Les sold a 22 Arima the other day and the factory delivery date is about May. Plus a month or better at EQ for rigging...

Short summary -- if you want to run hard in heavy water the 22 CD just isn't the boat. Slow down and it will go any place any of the big guys go. The Arima will go faster in sloppy water, but when it gets really rough - gotta slow down. If you want it all, get the 25 Tomcat.

The CD will easily get 4 NMPG. My 22 Arima got 2. My Orca 24 got about 1.5... at 2.50+ for marine gas, just going to Hein Bank and back - where I often fish - 2 NMPG can bring the per pound price of salmon up a bit. !00 bucks a round trip is heavy for this old dude.

If you want more info, give me a PM.

Dusty
 
Well I drive a yukon, so I should be able to tow whatever I get. And I am also buying used to save $, maybe the boat following that would be new but, I find if you take your time and really look at the boats carefully you can get a good deal on a boat. Besides I could never sfford a brand new one right now. So either boat I decide on it will probably take some time to find the right one. So if I'm getting what your saying Sawdust, the C dory is fine to take to some of the further spots , just give your self a little extra time to get there. Which is fine by me. I still am leaning towards the C-Dory for the comfort factor. Most of my fishing will be in safer waters, I just want to know whatever I get is safe enough, not necessarily fast, to be able to make it to a couple places a little offshore. Thanks for the input everyone, as I said before one thing that really sterers me to the C-Dory is this group.

Sark
 
I have a 1983 Angler and there is narry a tag anywhere on the boat that says what the rated HP or Load should be. I believe that the newer ones have a posted limits Tag on the boat. I have looked and cannot find one anywhere or evidence of there ever having one. I only have a 90 ficht on her but sometimes I wish I had the 115 Yamaha.
 
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