Cabin condensation

A Google search shows that there is nothing new under the sun (well, microballoons are kind of new). There's even a Wikipedia entry for insulating paints using microballoons.

Car enthusiasts have been looking for a firewall coating for heat/noise/fire protection that can be sprayed on. Some of the commercial products discussed here are mentioned. Here is a post that shows how to make the stuff using $5 a gallon "mistake" paint and microballoons.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/show ... 370&page=2

For me, a light colored paint would be best in the V berth. I'm not sure how much effect the brown/purple phenolic beads would have on white paint, but since I need to buy some, I'll just buy the white glass microballoons. I don't know how the phenolic beads are made and whether they have a vacuum inside of them like the glass ones allegedly have.

Mark
 
Thanks for the heads up Thataway, the Ventures are off my shopping list, not saying they are not good boats just not likely going to work for me. I do not want to gamble on material separation. Again, thanks, this was a major issue and I now have some important info that I needed.
 
Gene Stebbs. said:
Thanks for the heads up Thataway, the Ventures are off my shopping list, not saying they are not good boats just not likely going to work for me. I do not want to gamble on material separation. Again, thanks, this was a major issue and I now have some important info that I needed.[/quote
Just to be clear, with the current factory, you can order a Venture without the liner of that's what you want.]
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ssobol":2tmj6god said:
You can always get one of these:

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mari ... 1022-_-N/A
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And a really long extension cord (for me).

The West Marine specs show a BTU rating that isn't mathematically possible, which is not uncommon for claims made for little heaters. It might do the job, but it's actual efficiency, especially when operated with an inverter instead of 120 shore power, will likely be way different than the numbers given in the ad copy. And any reduction in condensation is in part because it is moving air with the fan, a solution that doesn't require an inverter.

Unfortunately, the really simple solutions usually require you to choose between warm and dry. On a prior boat, I had portholes on both sides of the V berth and rain-proof hatch above. The cross ventilation was enough so that there was never a condensation issue. A down comforter took care of the warmth issue. I'm not likely to get that level of comfort on a CD 16, but that is the gold standard.

Mark
 
Thanks Rogerbum for that info but the insulation solution to the condensation was the only "plus" that would have swung me toward the Venture boats, I now have several options to consider to deal with the condensation, we lived with that in a steel hull tub for several seasons trolling for Salmon, in the 70's/80's.... this time comfort is a goal I am aiming for....to blasted old to wake up cold or wet most every morning.
 
Gene- The best solution (IMHO) is right at hand with Marco's installation of an Espar D2 forced air heater, especially considering the limited "sealability" of the "cabin" of the 16:

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Put one of those babies in there and add a plastic palm tree and a bottle of rum, and you'll be all set!

(Cue music: "Margaritaville', by Jimmy Buffet) :note :note :note

Click on photo for album/project display. :lol:

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I am planning on a 25 cruiser, might add a heater as well, I liked the desiel stove we had in the Blue Goose, but it really needed fan for circulation, right now everything is a long term work in progress in my planning the details to go with the boat of choice, I want to have as many bases covered as possible so I do not have to research so much later what is needed on whatever used boat I choose. If I find the right boat late in the spring in AK the first year may be a make do as is until the fall when I can run it down to Washington and haul it out to do any work for the next year, hard to tell how it will all shake out when the time comes.
 
Gene Stebbs.":2xi36zna said:
Thanks Rogerbum for that info but the insulation solution to the condensation was the only "plus" that would have swung me toward the Venture boats, I now have several options to consider to deal with the condensation, we lived with that in a steel hull tub for several seasons trolling for Salmon, in the 70's/80's.... this time comfort is a goal I am aiming for....to blasted old to wake up cold or wet most every morning.
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Gene - IMHO there are additional benefits to the Venture series relative to the C-Dory series as the Ventures have a slightly refined design in many areas - slightly different (and better) hull design, better placement of the cleats, wider steps in the cockpit etc. If I ran the company, I would only make the 26 Venture hull in that size range and just offer it in different levels of trim. I'd do the same with the 22CD/23Venture. I think if you get a 26 Venture done more like the 25's level of trim, the price difference won't be that much but that's a guess on my part.
 
I will keep an open mind, one factor is that it is my guess that there are likely fewer Venture boats on the used market from what I have seen so far while browsing various sources, I would like to be able to really quantify the advantage of the difference in hull design as to the ride/"seaworthiness". There is little actual difference in size so the bigger is better point of view which I believe in with these boats for my needs
is not an issue, the hull design is interesting but without running each equally loaded in comparable seas I cannot know the difference as to value, I am not bashing the Venture boats, just unsure of how much "better" the design is, just looking on paper and these boats must ride better in less than favourable seas. Out of the factory they appear to be about 500 lbs. heavier again I would prefer if possible to put this into extra fuel. I may end up with a Venture when it is all said and done, much will depend on what is available when the time comes. I am reasonably sure I would not want the foam/vinyl package which may considerably limit options on used Ventures, I mainly want to go into this with as many facts on both of these boats as I can possibly put together as the choice will be one of the two larger boats, Thanks again to all who have taken time to offer information for a project that is down the road a ways. I have gathered much more info in a short time than I thought I would.
 
The thermostat that I bought for my D2 heater has a separate switch for heat and fan. The heat register is directional and can be pointed at the windshield. The hope is that I can blow fresh air or heated air to keep condensation off the windshield. I can also use the fan to bring in just fresh air if I get condensation in the V berth.

Mark
 
I finally found a closed cell foam, in thickness from 1/8", 1/4" 3/8" and 1/2" , it is called "2A Volara Foam Closed Cell " Available in off white, and black. It seems to have s smooth surface, and would be used without covering with another material.

The good news is that it comes in 60" wide and sold by the running foot, cheaper than any of the other foams, and probably as cheap as many paints. Certainly a good insulation, and sound reducing material.
 
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