Bow Access on 22' Cruiser?

Capt Harpoon":1j5u7nnh said:
and by the way, Lake Champlain is not "upstate" New York, it is northern New York. There is a difference!]

Good point...I work for NYS in a law-enforcement job, so I deal with the upstate/downstate mentality all the time.

For people in Brooklyn, Poughkeepsie is considered "upstate"...yet for folks in Albany, "upstate" means a 45-minute drive to Montreal.

From that viewpoint, I'm not upstate, but "Northern NY"...in my case, being able to practically walk to Montreal...or, to get to Vermont via boat in 5 minutes (vs. an hour by car).
 
Is that you in the Safeboat with four 300 hp turbocharged Verados?! Always wanted a ride in that thing, but to get one I would have to do something bad.
Actually, I think it belongs to a different agency (with the green stripe on the hull) and they have all the toys, maybe you have a Hydra-Sports or a Sea Ark with twins.
In any case, get a ride in a C-Dory before you buy, a completely different feel than your work boat or the Ocean Pro, for one thing, they go a tad bit slower.
 
Capt Harpoon":2rgrdynf said:
Is that you in the Safeboat with four 300 hp turbocharged Verados?!

I wish...

My LEO assignment involves sitting at a computer at a fusion center, trying to find sex-offenders who take-off...what we call "God's work"...
regardless of religious beliefs...

I look forward to retirement soon, some place where there is none of the low-life people who have made my career possible...I do have to thank all the scum bags for job-security, though...

C-Dory, perhaps! Or, maybe the Hewescraft...
 
Important work, and thanks for doing a good job and keeping our kids safe.
As you know, it doesn't take much of a north or south wind to make the Lake quite rough, and you should probably add a C-Dory 25 to your list of boats to look at, too.
If you are going to use the boat mostly as a day boat, the Hewescraft will serve you better than a C-Dory, but if there is a chance you might spend a long weekend on the Lake or elsewhere, the C-Dory is really the way to go.
Of course, a Tomcat.........
Good luck!
 
Capt Harpoon":fr5yre4x said:
Best I can tell from their web site, there is no sleeping berth.
If it is like my Hewescraft, there are two opposing bench seats aft of the helm that make into a berth.

Warren
 
Actually access is not the issue. It is boat set up and ability to handle the boat under the circumstances. The latter equates to practice and lots more practice. The former is easy. First you do want a windlass, especially as you "age"--you speak of retirement and joint replacements. $600 for a windlass is a small price to pay for the ability to drop and retrieve the anchor at any time you want. Yes, if you are in rough water, you will want the anchor secured--but you can reach a securing line from the fore hatch, or even bring it back to a fitting which is along side the window by the helm.

The 22 allows you to easily reach the spring line cleat. You don't use the bow cleat in tying the boat to a dock--at least initially. you use the cleat by the window. Some boats don't have a cleat, so I put on a pad eye, and us that instead:


IMG_0554.sized.jpg

Here is a folding pad eye (rated at 4500 lbs), which is thru bolted into the side deck (as you see which is very narrow). The fender and a dock line are attatched to this pad eye. (folded down, it is not an obstruction as you go forward, holding onto the railings on the cabin top (more should be added than are standard).

As you dock, I have yet to find a situation where I cannot either pass a loop of line, toss a loop of line or secure to a cleat out of the window. If the conditions are calm, then you walk aft and secure a stern line. I try and approach starboard side too the dock, but you can reach across if necessary to the port side. If there is a condition pushing your off the dock, this line acts as a spring line, and the engine is left in gear, as you push the stern to the dock, with the prop, and then secure the stern line. You then have plenty of time to put on bow, spring and breast lines as necessary. I have used variations of this in boats up to 62 feet in length, when single handling and docking. The use of a spring line to hold the boat in position until the other lines is a very common "trick" of the trade. You will see it used even in megayachts and commercial vessles.

True there are any number of boats which have "bow doors"--but you give up a lot with that. Usually a forward bunk. The Nomad Nimble is an example of that--so is the "adventure craft". Excellent access, but you give up something.

As far as maneuvering--the C Dory is one of the easiest boats to manuever I have come across. Outboards (even single, with good steering and a "spinner") will allow the boat to run in its own lenght.
 
Karl-
Whether you choose a CD22, 25 or other boat there are many means that will keep you safe. This site has a wealth of support information to tap into, such as its libraries and photo albums.

You asked abt line accessability for single handed use. may I suggest you take from these albums some tips , such as:

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _album.php

I have borrowed from many folks and applied those ideas to the CD25. It can easily be single handed with a little planning. Many of the handling ideas have already been brought out, such as twins for close in maneuvering and redundance. Preposition the bow and breast lines through cam cleats for a quick release access.

I'm a big guy so the hatch is a little tight for me go thru easily, plus it does not open completely vertical without releasing the support arms. What with the necessity being the mother of invention, where is our limit? Just the joy of the journey.

Happy exploring for those discoveries that will make "your next boat" a personalized functional safe platform that will give you many years of enjoyment.

With all that may I also wish you, and the other C-Brats, and your families, a healthy, safe and happy Thanksgiving/Holiday.

Art
 
IMG_0554.sized.jpg

That photo of the C-Dory "side deck" makes me squirm. I have size 12EEEE feet, painful hips, and most recently, 14 screws and two repair plates in my shoulders...so far, I still have pretty good knees, but have been told to expect my bone condition to extend to them also...

So, I cannot depend upon upper-body strength to compensate for lower-body weakness! It's a combination of pain, weakness, and limited range of motion, each variable, but not predictable from one day to the next. Basically, I'm 60 years old, going on 90.

To call that little ledge on the C-Dory a "side deck" would constitute fraud and deception if they advertised it as such...for me, it would be akin to "walking the plank", I think.
 
Sounds like you have good reasons for wanting a walk-through rather than a walk-around configuration. Have you considered the Hewescraft Pacific Cruiser? It has a bow berth and was, in fact, the model I was considering before I bought my Tom Cat. It looks to me as though you could do everything from the forward hatch, maybe even climb up onto the foredeck through that hatch?

Warren
 
Right now, the Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220 is my "go-to" boat, complicated by the fact that the closest dealer (Calumet Marine in Chicago) is roughly 1200 miles away...

Calumet does do shipping, but more importantly, they actually do "deliveries" to my area which is close to Montreal. I would have to travel to Chicago to even see an example of the Ocean Pro, however.

Decision-time is still about 18 months away from now, but with the way my amazon.com stock holdings have been going, money will be no object!!

But, reversals of fortune are not exactly foreign to me...so I may be living on Ramen noodles (again) by then...but at least I'll be eating them in a waterfront home on Lake Champlain this time!

For whatever reason, every boat that has seriously interested me has been built in AK, OR, or WA...(exception: C-Hawk).
 
I have a 2003 22 cruiser. The previous owner was concerned about safe bow access from the cockpit. He had the bow rail removed and installed a new rail system. This new rail consists of U shaped tubing with the open ends attached to the top front of the main cabin with a single vertical support just before the raised area for the vee berth. Thus there is a firm hand hold all the way to the bow. I was initally concerned about a lack of the bow rail, but the "U" rail works well.

Now instead of having to use the main anchor for shallow water. I keep a 4 lb fortress in the cabin with a short chain and 30 ft of line and toss it off the stern. Then using the stable rail system, I can carry the line safely up to the bow and tie it off fast and easy (there is float on the bitter end just in case in case). When leaving the process is reversed and the anchor is pulled at the stern.

Jim
 
A photo of this system would help us visualize what you have. How does it get you around the sides of the cabin and the narrow deck?
 
Back
Top