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Bottom Fisherman,
I noticed something new at a local saltwater fishing show last week Shimano has come out with a new jig designed for bottom fishing. It' called a Lucanus Jig. They are small but compact and shaped so they drop very quickly. The come with double hooks and a long squid like skirt. They are fished differently than most jigs as they are dropped to the bottom or close to it and then reeled up very slowly. The fish keep nipping at it until they get to the hooks. The hooks are seemly small but are said to be very effective. If you are using for them for tuna they recommend switching the hooks over to a larger size similar to what they use on the butterfly jigs 3.0 /5.0. Get on www.Shimano.com or www.tackledirect.com The rep recommended the orange or the purple and red colors. They are supposed to be the latest rage. Weights from 2 to 7 oz prices 14.99 to 17.99. Because of their shape you do not need as much weight as traditional jigs. Happy fishing from a lurker and a wantabe. DD
 
For bottom fishing out here I never spend more than $4-6 on a jig. You're going to lose a lot of them when fishing for rock cod so $15-18/ea. seems like a ton of money to me. On average with newbies fishing on board I lose 4-6/day. For rock cod, almost anything with a hook works so I usually buy $4 4-6oz. jigs. If I'm fishing by myself, I might only lose one every other day (you have to have the "touch" to feel bottom and keep it close without hanging). Regardless, $15-18 for a jig seems like WAY too much money to me. Heck, the ling and rock cod will bite a copper pipe filled with lead.
 
I agree with Roger. Besides you can buy 4 pounds of rockfish on sale for the cost of one of those jigs.
One of the best lingcod rig's I ever used was made of a piece of chrome bicycle handle bar filled with concrete, homemade. Of course you can buy them too, for plenty.
I like to keep my fishing simple and basic, it's fun and doesn't cost a lot.
Whatever floats yur boat.

JT :D
 
The jigs have a second eye to tie a dropper with lighter line to so that you can tie a cheap weight on to so if you get hung up the lighter line will break saving the gigs. I just wanted to make mention of something new. I wasn't trying to change anyones standard mode of operation. I suppose you guys on the west coast still use cuban yo yos and hand lines. Keeping it simple eh. :roll:
DD
 
dave deem":3jmfp2us said:
The jigs have a second eye to tie a dropper with lighter line to so that you can tie a cheap weight on to so if you get hung up the lighter line will break saving the gigs. I just wanted to make mention of something new. I wasn't trying to change anyones standard mode of operation. I suppose you guys on the west coast still use cuban yo yos and hand lines. Keeping it simple eh. :roll:
DD
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I looked at them. They look cool but I still can't see spending that much on something I will likely lose on the bottom especially when I limit out every time with something that is 1/4 the price. Also, no I don't use hand lines or cuban yo-yo's. Seem a little sensitive... :roll:
 
my apologies , I don't think these jigs were designed especially or only for the rock or ling cod. There are quite few other species that won't fall for the old concrete filled copper tube or old bicycle handle bars with hooks trick. I think the idea was to be able to use lighter gigs with braided line so that the whole rod and reel part of the tackle equation can get smaller and lighter. These jigs are part of that new wave of fishing technology. No it's not cheap. But nether is that boat filled with gasoline your fishing from.There seems to be a move in some parts of the country to use rods for tuna( Shimano Trevala) that resemble bass rods in appearance but coupled with one of the new reels designed for braid ( Shimano Torium or Daiwa Saltist)make for a easy to handle much smaller and lighter rod reel combination than a standard 6/0 rod with a big reel that can handle 500 yards of 80 pound test mono that is usually used for school yellow fin tuna. I'm not trying to sell anything here but was merely making mention of some new technology that is available to make it possible to down size from heavy cumbersome rod and reel combinations. To mention that what you might use for a species you fish for that is four times cheaper because of the way you fish or the species you fish for is great for the other cod guys. My post was just information I thought was interesting for all fisherman in general :| DD
 
No worries Dave. Some of the colors look like the might be interesting for fishing for suspended fish like coho in the summer. In that case, I could almost justify the cost as I know I wouldn't hang it up on the bottom and it's more fun to catch a salmon on a jig than on a huge trolled flasher.
 
Thanks for the link Dave.
The rockfish season in Calfornia (where I usually fish) is short and restricted these days due to overfishing.
I may however get a couple of these Butterfly's to try up in Alaska this summer.
Back when rockfish were plentiful hereabouts, most could be taken with shrimp flys and various bars. Not real technical fishing.


JT :smiled
 
Just a quick note about Roger's Copper Pipe with Lead. From what I have read, the main reason it is so effective for Saltwater fish is that it is effectively a little battery and that is what attracts the fish and not just its action in the water. Don't knock the pipe jig until you try it. They are hugely successful for Halibut and Lings!
 
The east and west warm/cold fisheries are very different . You dont think I moved here for the hurricanes do you ? Drop anything jig like and you will get bit if the feed is on , the difference here is you have only some idea of what it will be . Tuna , Amberjack Snapper , King Spanish and Cero Mackerel,Trigger fish,big Jack Crevalles,Sharks, red, black,gag, Goliath and Warsaw Groupers ,Sailfish,Wahoo ,marlin the list goes on..... The high tech shimano jigs and their clones have worked well with the new tackle available and the braided line . But If I had to have one..............a good old single hooked Diamond Jig works everywhere in anywhere from 4- 12 Oz. East or west ,north or south, that one always catches fish............
Marc
 
I'm a cheap old coot. Go to the tire shop, get a bucket of old used weights -- drill a hole in each end -- hook in one end, cheap swivel the other -- and fish are in the boat. Don't giggle until you try it! :lol:

Bottom fishing for ling and brought up a 20# salmon (filet and release size).

Dusty
 
Dusty,

Why waste money on a swivel? I tie a dropper loop about 2-3 ft up from the end of the line, loop in a hook or hook with a lead, tie another loop at the end of the line and loop in a weight (wheel weights work!), wahlah, ready to go. That's how the party boats do it too.

Caught over 40 lbs of whitefish in less than an hour, 3 fisherpersons (daughter among us), we had to feed "the tribe" back at Catalina Wednesday night. More later on the Catalina Adventure in Paradise site.
 
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