Boat heaters
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Brent,
If you go back to my post in about the middle of page two of this thread there are all the spec's I think it's actually called an Airtronic D 2 by Espar. I have ordered it . I'll do pictures in my album once I get it installed. I believe someone has pictures of an installed Airtronic D2 in their C-Dory. I just don't remember who. I had made a decision to buy one a year ago. All the planets just got lined up correctly so I just now pulled the trigger.
D.D.
If you go back to my post in about the middle of page two of this thread there are all the spec's I think it's actually called an Airtronic D 2 by Espar. I have ordered it . I'll do pictures in my album once I get it installed. I believe someone has pictures of an installed Airtronic D2 in their C-Dory. I just don't remember who. I had made a decision to buy one a year ago. All the planets just got lined up correctly so I just now pulled the trigger.
D.D.
Brent,
I'll have to look at it. It is the standard one C-Dory supplied. My boat for some reason didn't have one and Mark from Wefing's had one laying around so they put it in the boat at no charge. Could not argue about the price. It might be a Kenyon. I have to check on my baby this weekend I'll look at it and let you know. It takes those standard cannisters. It works like a champ. We have not cooked any 7 course meals on it. Replacement cannisters are cheap. They say they won't work well when subjected to temps in the twenties but then again I don't either. I plan for longer trips to have peanut butter and jelly, crackers and eat granola, trail mix, breakfast cereal like Kashi as they are light and don't require refrigeration or ice. I always want to be able to cook a fish should one commit suicide. Coffee is a must and we carry both a four cup percolator that we run off a generator or if we have shore power. The stove is there for hot water tea or those little instant coffee bags which are not bad. Some folks use a little pot that works off 120 volt. I think they bought them at Bed Bath and Beyond. They use them to heat soup hot water they are real fast and compact. I'm fighting the cockpit barbie thing but some day I can see it happening. I don't want the look like my boat was magnetic and was drug though West Marine and everything they had just stuck to it. Sorry for the rant!
D.D.
I'll have to look at it. It is the standard one C-Dory supplied. My boat for some reason didn't have one and Mark from Wefing's had one laying around so they put it in the boat at no charge. Could not argue about the price. It might be a Kenyon. I have to check on my baby this weekend I'll look at it and let you know. It takes those standard cannisters. It works like a champ. We have not cooked any 7 course meals on it. Replacement cannisters are cheap. They say they won't work well when subjected to temps in the twenties but then again I don't either. I plan for longer trips to have peanut butter and jelly, crackers and eat granola, trail mix, breakfast cereal like Kashi as they are light and don't require refrigeration or ice. I always want to be able to cook a fish should one commit suicide. Coffee is a must and we carry both a four cup percolator that we run off a generator or if we have shore power. The stove is there for hot water tea or those little instant coffee bags which are not bad. Some folks use a little pot that works off 120 volt. I think they bought them at Bed Bath and Beyond. They use them to heat soup hot water they are real fast and compact. I'm fighting the cockpit barbie thing but some day I can see it happening. I don't want the look like my boat was magnetic and was drug though West Marine and everything they had just stuck to it. Sorry for the rant!
D.D.
We use a portable Kenyon butane stove for quick heating of water or when we want to cook in the cockpit. Also, if it's really hot out and we don't want the additional heat in the cabin, the Kenyon works well.
To date (and I'm just sure this will put a hex on it), our Wallas has only failed once and that was due to a battery problem, not something wrong with the Wallas. In fact, when I called Scan Marine, they talked me through diagnosing the problem and with a few moments told me it was likely the battery. I couldn't believe it since I had recently changed out the batteries... sure enough, we had one battery with a bad cell.
It's not always easy to find the canisters for the Kenyon, btw.
Best wishes,
Jim B.
To date (and I'm just sure this will put a hex on it), our Wallas has only failed once and that was due to a battery problem, not something wrong with the Wallas. In fact, when I called Scan Marine, they talked me through diagnosing the problem and with a few moments told me it was likely the battery. I couldn't believe it since I had recently changed out the batteries... sure enough, we had one battery with a bad cell.
It's not always easy to find the canisters for the Kenyon, btw.
Best wishes,
Jim B.
outta_route
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i use the kenyon stove and it works great with a percolator, we like our coffee too. you can get the canisters online, shipping is expensive. the best place i found them, sorry d.d., was west marine.
bob
bob
I use a single burner Coleman camp stove that runs on either Colemane fuel or unleaded for morning coffee prep in the cockpit. I already had it and it's VERY small. Especially useful when we reef-up next to someone and they are on our starboard side. I don't trust our Wallas exhaust won't damage their gelcoat.
We use a Coleman two burner "fold and go" propane stove and do 90% of our cooking in the cockpit. We have a single burner Kenyon butane stove in the galley that works fine we just like to keep the moisture caused by cooking outside if possible. Both stoves work quite well. Our cabin heat comes from a Webasto forced air furnace that runs on diesel, kerosene or kleen heat. Never a single problem with the furnace and that thermostat is sure nice.
I have had a Webasto heater on my cruiser for a few years now and I love it. When I installed it I also wanted to put heat into the v-berth to help dry it out after a nights sleep. Cabin temps in the 70's are no problem and just lower the thermostat for the evening. I use it on Lake Michigan early last spring when we had frost on the boat every morning when we got up. Well worth the money, oh and very easy on the fuel.
Jim
Jim
I give a thumbs up to the toyo marine heater made by toyotomi. I installed one in a previous boat. It is a forced air unit and worked really well. Never had one hiccup with it. Convinced two fishing buddies to install in their boats after going out with me in early spring. It is also thermostat controlled. I would run it at night on low and crack a window. No moisture at all in the mornings.
outta_route":2bqggno8 said:
When we had our little stove, we picked up cannisters (and a new little stove) at an oriental food store. We seem to see the stores everyplace we go and the prices for the stoves and cannisters is much less than anyplace else ($12 for 6 bottles & $15 for the stove - looks like a kenyon to me and works great).
I think I am sold on that Dickerson Fireplace heater... I already have the Dickerson stove and really like it...quality unit.. I have been using a 1 gallon propane tank in the Lazarette (mounted to code).. now I will need more propane... I bought one of those see thru plastic propane tanks...a 10 pounder.. 2.3 gallons and will be building a new bottom in the Lazarette to contain it.. (must be air tight and vent outside the boat)
Should work just perfect...
Joel
SEA3PO
Should work just perfect...
Joel
SEA3PO
Just to share a plus about my WALLAS 95D..
It has been working flawlessly since I took delivery Sept. 2004. This last week I worked on the CD25 on the work rack at the marina with the temp. outside at 24 degrees. The cabin temp came up to 92 degrees and after lowering the control to "2" it settled in at 78 degrees. I will keep the top up so as to use the cooking surface to heat without the fan noise. I do use the top's fan to expedite the heating, but will lift it to turn off the fan when the temp is about right. I do have a circulating fan by the port windshield and that keeps the heat moving around so the whole cabin is comfortable. There are no aromas from the fuel or exhaust unless the wind is pushing the exhaust fumes back into the cabin via the door or a window on the starboard side. My CO detector has not sent any alarms, yet.
You might say I am sold on this product. Even in the summer, I enjoy a hot cup of tea now and then; but in the colder months they the tea is especially good. Besides , the 2+ gal fuel container last 40+ hrs of continuos running.
At the time I bought the CD25 there was an alcohol/electric stove offered. I did not feel comfortable with carrying such a fuel on board. SO the rest is history.
Art
It has been working flawlessly since I took delivery Sept. 2004. This last week I worked on the CD25 on the work rack at the marina with the temp. outside at 24 degrees. The cabin temp came up to 92 degrees and after lowering the control to "2" it settled in at 78 degrees. I will keep the top up so as to use the cooking surface to heat without the fan noise. I do use the top's fan to expedite the heating, but will lift it to turn off the fan when the temp is about right. I do have a circulating fan by the port windshield and that keeps the heat moving around so the whole cabin is comfortable. There are no aromas from the fuel or exhaust unless the wind is pushing the exhaust fumes back into the cabin via the door or a window on the starboard side. My CO detector has not sent any alarms, yet.
You might say I am sold on this product. Even in the summer, I enjoy a hot cup of tea now and then; but in the colder months they the tea is especially good. Besides , the 2+ gal fuel container last 40+ hrs of continuos running.
At the time I bought the CD25 there was an alcohol/electric stove offered. I did not feel comfortable with carrying such a fuel on board. SO the rest is history.
Art
Joel
We have the Dickerson Fireplace and have been very happy with the performance. Last spring in the south Sound, there was snow on the ground and ice on the docks. The Dickerson kept the cabin at 68 degrees. We also have the one gallion tank and it lasted the weekend. A larger tank would be nice for extended cruising. I mounted ours under the sink in the cabinet. The fan does a good job of moving the warm air. The vberth needs help though, We hang a small fan in the opening to the vberth.
Take a look at the Force 10 heater. It is a nice unit that also exhausts outside. Im not sure if it has an internal fan, but one could be mounted near it.
We have the Dickerson Fireplace and have been very happy with the performance. Last spring in the south Sound, there was snow on the ground and ice on the docks. The Dickerson kept the cabin at 68 degrees. We also have the one gallion tank and it lasted the weekend. A larger tank would be nice for extended cruising. I mounted ours under the sink in the cabinet. The fan does a good job of moving the warm air. The vberth needs help though, We hang a small fan in the opening to the vberth.
Take a look at the Force 10 heater. It is a nice unit that also exhausts outside. Im not sure if it has an internal fan, but one could be mounted near it.
Art Said:
Akroyd Said:
Don't believe it was a "filament..."I :wink remember that too, from somewhere, and It has to do with the longevity of the ceramic top. I believe it was posted by someone from ScanMarine, but can't find it just now. It was in a discussion about using the Eco fans. But I do remember, that the fan top should be down unless there was something on the burner spot(s). Also, there was something about turning the heat on high and letting it stabilize there before turning off the switch. Two things we have done since we started with the boat in 06 and have not had any trouble since. (I'll let Jim's jinx be enough for both of us.
eace: )
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Akroyd Said:
Don't believe it was a "filament..."I :wink remember that too, from somewhere, and It has to do with the longevity of the ceramic top. I believe it was posted by someone from ScanMarine, but can't find it just now. It was in a discussion about using the Eco fans. But I do remember, that the fan top should be down unless there was something on the burner spot(s). Also, there was something about turning the heat on high and letting it stabilize there before turning off the switch. Two things we have done since we started with the boat in 06 and have not had any trouble since. (I'll let Jim's jinx be enough for both of us.
eace: )Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Harvey, et all;
You are all quit right as to leaving the top up and using it as a heater.
The owner's manual for the Wallas 95DP states in a "NOTE: (1) The stove can not be used as a heater without the heater lid closed." This is an insert in my manual for the 'Wallas Safeflame Ceramic Diesel 125DU'.
I don't know if there is a difference other than the heat generated. When I have been doing this it is with the control set very low in the "1-2" range; else I have left the top down.
I must be very fortunate that I don't have any problems. I do start and finish the operation at full heat with the top down . I leave the heat on "6", MAX, for abt 2 minutes+ before I turn the control panel rocker switch 'OFF'. When the LED stops blinking and goes out I know it is safe to do a full power down in the boat.
Do not prematurely turn the unit off if the LED is blinking; either at startup or shutdown.
I hope this helps clarify and I apologize for any confusion I may have set. One interesting note is the left burner runs several times hotter than the right.
Another UBI, for the 125DU is - -
Fuel consumption: 3-5oz/hr
Supply Voltage: 11-14.5VDC
Current- Normal Operation: 0.15A
Current_ Startup: 8A for ~4.5min.
Left heater effect: 3070-6150 BTUs
Right heater effect: 850-2050 BTUs
Art
You are all quit right as to leaving the top up and using it as a heater.
The owner's manual for the Wallas 95DP states in a "NOTE: (1) The stove can not be used as a heater without the heater lid closed." This is an insert in my manual for the 'Wallas Safeflame Ceramic Diesel 125DU'.
I don't know if there is a difference other than the heat generated. When I have been doing this it is with the control set very low in the "1-2" range; else I have left the top down.
I must be very fortunate that I don't have any problems. I do start and finish the operation at full heat with the top down . I leave the heat on "6", MAX, for abt 2 minutes+ before I turn the control panel rocker switch 'OFF'. When the LED stops blinking and goes out I know it is safe to do a full power down in the boat.
Do not prematurely turn the unit off if the LED is blinking; either at startup or shutdown.
I hope this helps clarify and I apologize for any confusion I may have set. One interesting note is the left burner runs several times hotter than the right.
Another UBI, for the 125DU is - -
Fuel consumption: 3-5oz/hr
Supply Voltage: 11-14.5VDC
Current- Normal Operation: 0.15A
Current_ Startup: 8A for ~4.5min.
Left heater effect: 3070-6150 BTUs
Right heater effect: 850-2050 BTUs
Art
Sea Angel's experience might be useful information. His experience suggests that using the Wallas as a heater with the top up when the flame is set to minimum is OK. This eliminates the annoying fan noise which, on the Wallas 95, runs at full speed only regardless of flame level; there is no low speed fan setting (I understand that the newer Wallas 85 has a two-speed fan). Running with the top up at full flame might be unwise but at the low setting should be alright, and it stands up to reason when I think about it. This could be a revelation.