Are you hunkering down?

As to hunkering down, it is getting boring but like some say, life is rough and then there is reality, and the reality right now is that "hunkering" is what we all need to be doing.

Currently there are 4 states that do not have Shelter in Place orders on. The predicted peaks in the virus curve varies by as much as a month from earliest to latest. Why we do not have a national Shelter in Place order is beyond me. If the peak of the curve passes here in WA about April 10, and the travel ban is lifted and then someone goes form here to Oklahoma where the peak is not due until April 23, or N Carolina on April 27, and then comes back into WA, we are stretching the curve out to last longer in WA by bringing the virus back home. So, IF everyone everywhere stayed home for 2-3 weeks, the virus would not be able to spread anywhere, in any state, and the "curves for each state would not only moderate, but the peaks would come at closer to the same times, and then we could all go out later and safer. Wear the masks. It may not protect you but it might keep you from infecting someone else. Just don't wear them with a false sense of security.

Stay safe and stay healthy.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Every boat launch in CA that i know of has been closed. If you own a slip your golden though (i'm complaining to the county on that one). Really knocking out lots of boat projects.
 
Foggy":2em2ypkg said:
So what's so different about boating; is it 'essential' for you?
Aye.
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Washington state's stay at home proclamation makes exceptions for some non-essential activities, including exercise such as running, hiking, etc., as long as social distancing is maintained.

IMO these activities are far safer for everyone than some essential activities like going to the grocery store. Hence the reason they are excepted. Although not explicitly listed as an exception, boating (as long as social distancing is maintained) is, again, far safer for everyone concerned than going to the grocery store.
 
Foggy":3iuoud8y said:
So what's so different about boating; is it 'essential' for you?
Aye.
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Washington state's stay at home proclamation lists among essential activities - exercise such as running, hiking, etc., as long as social distancing is maintained.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... althy.html

IMO these activities are far safer for everyone than going to the grocery store. Hence the reason they are allowed. Although not explicitly listed as an essential activity, I think everyone can agree that boating (as long as social distancing is maintained) is, again, safer for everyone concerned than going to the grocery store.
 
Harvey's point about the lack of a national stay at home order is correct but the lack of national direction extends well past that. We now have states fighting each other for necessary medical supplies.....with a real estate developer in charge of the national emergency stockpile.

In my opinion the national default on leadership is a direct result of the "deep state" nonsense. The White House's "deep state" is essentially the experts, professionals and staff that made the federal government run. We are now faced with a federal government that is incapable of performing its interstate coordinating responsibilities because of a lack of personnel.

Another slightly different example is the lump sum stimulus checks. On March 17, Mnuchin said we would have checks in two weeks. We'll see when they finally arrive. My point on this is not that the delivery of the checks are taking a long time, it's that Mnuchin seems to have deliberately promised something that he should have known was impossible.

The Fed"s inability to provide necessary interstate coordination/leadership has resulted in them pushing things downhill to the states along with....the Feds hope.....the blame. Some states have stepped up to the leadership challenge and some have not.

In my previous posts I have cited my sources. This is strictly my opinion. I have not seen this reasoning in any of my usual news sources, PBS, NY Times, WA Post, Seattle Times, NPR.
 
pcg":2xa0wx0v said:
Foggy":2xa0wx0v said:
So what's so different about boating; is it 'essential' for you?
Aye.
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Washington state's stay at home proclamation lists among essential activities - exercise such as running, hiking, etc., as long as social distancing is maintained.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... althy.html

IMO these activities are far safer for everyone than going to the grocery store. Hence the reason they are allowed. Although not explicitly listed as an essential activity, I think everyone can agree that boating (as long as social distancing is maintained) is, again, safer for everyone concerned than going to the grocery store.
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Agreed. The governor specifically called out exercise and mental health as important to maintain. I haven't been boating but if my boat was in the water or if ramps were open, I'd go out without any guilt.
 
rogerbum":mj2u3c12 said:
pcg":mj2u3c12 said:
Foggy":mj2u3c12 said:
So what's so different about boating; is it 'essential' for you?
Aye.
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Washington state's stay at home proclamation lists among essential activities - exercise such as running, hiking, etc., as long as social distancing is maintained.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... althy.html

IMO these activities are far safer for everyone than going to the grocery store. Hence the reason they are allowed. Although not explicitly listed as an essential activity, I think everyone can agree that boating (as long as social distancing is maintained) is, again, safer for everyone concerned than going to the grocery store.
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Agreed. The governor specifically called out exercise and mental health as important to maintain. I haven't been boating but if my boat was in the water or if ramps were open, I'd go out without any guilt.
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Granted, boating may be essential for mental health. But unless you row your
boat, it does not qualify as exercise. And it ignores the fact that COVID-19 is
spread by "community acquired transmission"** which means one does not have to
be close (<6') to an (asymptomatic) infected person to become infected and
further spread the disease.

Gov J Inslee's (partial) mandate:
" 1. All people in the State of Washington shall immediately cease leaving their home or place of residence except: (1) to conduct or participate in essential activities and/or (2) for employment in essential business activities. To implement this mandate, I hereby order that all people in Washington State are immediately prohibited from leaving their homes or place of residence except..."
a. Essential activities permitted... are limited to the following: 1) Obtaining necessary supplies and services 2) Engaging in activities essential for the health and safety of family... 3) Caring for... 4) Engaging in outdoor exercise activities, such as walking, hiking, running or biking, but only if appropriate social distancing practices are used."
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No mention of boating and "immediately cease leaving their home or place of
residence" is clear.

He goes on the mention other exceptions to maintain safety such as an unsafe
home from domestic violence and homeless persons. So if you qualify here,
being found in a boat makes sense.

Aye.

** Community acquired transmission is in addition to direct contact with the virus
from an infected person (touching, droplet infected spread) or contact with an
object (clothing, surfaces, packages, etc) recently contaminated by the virus.
 
Gene&Mary":11p8lqq0 said:
In my opinion the national default on leadership is a direct result of the "deep state" nonsense.
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I don't think that our new "extremely shallow state" is an improvement. I know that I'm supposed to be shallow and not care. Just think happy thoughts and it will all be okay by Easter. Or was it Valentine's Day? Or Peace Officers Memorial Day (May 15)? That one sounds patriotic so it might be the present winner. That's the beauty of the shallow state mentality. All decisions and statements are based on whether it makes some people feel great again.

I'm actually predicting that things won't be okay until a few days after Halloween. Nothing political here, just some shallow state anti-epidemiological holiday predictions. I can always change the numbers, dates, and even the "science" in order to claim that my revised prediction is what I predicted from the start or, even better, that no one could have known. That allows for exculpatory statements like "who knew that a pandemic would cause so many people to get ill?" Even better is the shallow state mantra of blaming somebody else (usually the "deep state").

Speaking of blaming others, I'm blaming the state governors for the lack of federal leadership. They should have seen this coming. In a shallow state, it's every man for himself.

Makes one pine for the good old deep state.
 
Nice little catch 22 trick you guys got going. If the President backs off & lets the states do more, he’s incompetent & lacks control. Takes over more with the federal government & he’s trying to be a dictator just like you knew he always would try to be.

I found it rather laughable, when the President put out a federal quarantine of New York & the surrounding states, might be necessary and that was followed up by Gov Cuomo & others immediately insisting he would be overstepping his authority. No doubt, he knew that would be the reaction & was again keeping one step ahead of the hounds.

Overall, I see the President & federal government doing a remarkably good job during a very tough time & so do the majority of the rest here in the US. The policies, the President, Governor’s & others are making to limit the deaths, while not destroying the economy are difficult, while hindsight can make them look easy.

Simple thoughts from a simple mind
 
I would point out that the president's approval rating is currently at 42%. The highest it ever got was 49%. There has literally never been a time when "the majority of the rest" of the people here have thought he was doing a good job. Not really interested in political debate, but I do like facts and data.

Foggy, the meaning of Inslee's edict is endlessly debatable, and its legal enforceability is questionable at best. As you quoted, he says it's ok to leave your house for "essential activities" and as I've already mentioned, being outside is essential to me. No one else is in a position to judge what is essential for any of us.

The important question here is, how does going boating result in an increased threat of spreading the virus? If I don't touch any surface that does not belong to me, and I don't come within hundreds of feet of another human, where is the increased risk of community transmission?

I want to be clear that I do not oppose the current mitigation measures. The data shows and the SMEs agree that they are crucial to managing this crisis. My point is simply that it's impossible to issue an interpretation for every possible situation, and so good judgement must suffice. No one should be too concerned about honoring the letter of the edict here, but rather the spirit of it. Just don't do anything that could result in an increased chance of spreading the virus.
 
Stearmandriver2":3lkgnxrm said:
I would point out that the president's approval rating is currently at 42%. The highest it ever got was 49%. There has literally never been a time when "the majority of the rest" of the people here have thought he was doing a good job. Not really interested in political debate, but I do like facts and data.
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I’m partial to facts & data too. My previous mention concerning approval rating was not about overall job performance, as I realize no matter what he does or doesn’t do it will be a negative to many. My reference was strictly to how he’s handling this virus crisis & here’s the data & fact to that at least a couple weeks ago. https://www.newsweek.com/if-55-american ... ge-1493428
 
Authoritarian leaders have used the "we need to fight this foreign enemy" tactic for centuries (millennia actually) to boost their support from the populace. Clearly, Trump didn't create this "Wag the Dog" circumstance, but his poll numbers are surely benefiting from this well known "internal vs external" diversion.
 
Hunkydory":jhfu0xpi said:
Nice little catch 22 trick you guys got going. If the President backs off & lets the states do more, he’s incompetent & lacks control. Takes over more with the federal government & he’s trying to be a dictator just like you knew he always would try to be.

I found it rather laughable, when the President put out a federal quarantine of New York & the surrounding states, might be necessary and that was followed up by Gov Cuomo & others immediately insisting he would be overstepping his authority. No doubt, he knew that would be the reaction & was again keeping one step ahead of the hounds.

Overall, I see the President & federal government doing a remarkably good job during a very tough time & so do the majority of the rest here in the US. The policies, the President, Governor’s & others are making to limit the deaths, while not destroying the economy are difficult, while hindsight can make them look easy.

Simple thoughts from a simple mind
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I agree!!
If the individual states had adequate stockpiles of their own they wouldn’t have to rely so much on the Strategic National Stockpile which has been in a bad way since the late 90’s. Instead some states decided to use the money elsewhere and are now wishing they hadn’t but all of that is getting fixed now and if this or any other pandemic comes around again our country will be better prepared.
In November the people of this great country will decide how our president did in his first four years and polls are not facts or reliable data just a snip it from who ever the pollsters want to choose from. VOTE !
 
I agree!!
If the individual states had adequate stockpiles of their own they wouldn’t have to rely so much on the Strategic National Stockpile which has been in a bad way since the late 90’s. Instead some states decided to use the money elsewhere and are now wishing they hadn’t but all of that is getting fixed now and if this or any other pandemic comes around again our country will be better prepared.
In November the people of this great country will decide how our president did in his first four years and polls are not facts or reliable data just a snip it from who ever the pollsters want to choose from. VOTE !
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I do agree, everyone should vote! But don't get me started on that right now. I'm a Chief Election Inspector here in Wisconsin, and lets just say I am seriously biting my tongue right now! Interesting you say how let people decide how the president did, or who they'd like to elect. Unfortunately that didn't work out so well last time and we now have a minority elected president. I suggest the polls are probably more accurate than some would like to admit. As for individual states having to stockpile their own stuff. Yes, probably a good idea under the current administration. What exactly do we have a federal government for again?
 
The title of this thread is "Are you hunkering down". Not a debate on politics or blame for what seem as shortcomings.

This type of bickering does not belong on the C Brat threads. Share what you are doing to get thru the crisis.
 
Unlike the Federal Government, states are required to have a balanced budget.

Instead of putting money away in a "rainy day fund" like we have all learned in Econ 101, the Feds used that money to reduce taxes. The result of Trump's generous tax break is that now we are able to pay for our Costco membership.

Regarding the intended purpose of the National Stockpile, instead of stepping up to their interstate responsibilities, Trump and his son-in-law decided to change the Mission Statement on the National Stockpile website.

I'm not saying that the depleted National Stockpile is entirely on Trump. This problem was also present during Bush 2 and Obama's terms. What I'm saying is that the National Stockpile is a Federal responsibility, to be distributed to and used by the states (us) in case of national emergency. To make a statement like "why didn't the states have their own stockpile" is grossly unfair. It's just another example of Trump trying to shift blame. Instead he should suck it up like an adult and move forward to solve the problem.
 
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