Another Non-Skid Thread

John S

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Hello all,
Well, as long as we were visiting the subject of non-skid I figured I would bring up my project.

I would like to know how to reproduce my cockpit floor anit-skid. It has a few chips and I am wondering the best way to redo it.

I figured it would start with sanding down the old non-skid with a 36 grit pad.

I called Scott at Triton Marine and although he wasn't sure what they did in 2000, he guessed they added playbox sand (like sold in bags in Home Depot) to my gelcoat color and then rolled it on.

Does anyone have knowlegdge of this method? Anyone know if this is the way it might have been done at the factory?

Thanks,
John

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Looks similar to oup 25. We used gel coat thicken.Ed with Cabosil and rolled it on. This gave peaks and vale.ys. Sand is very abrasive.
 
Sorry for the typos--middle of the night I pad typing. We experimented to get the right texture. If it is too stiff, it will have too sharp peaks--and abrasive. If not stiff enough, it will just run. It will be just a little less than peanut better--stiff egg whites. When you roll it, you want the peaks to stand out, but not be shape.
 
Well......sounds like I might have to experiment.

Does anyone out there know how it was done at the factory back in the day that hasn't chimed in yet.

Thanks for the advice given so far.
 
John - You may want to consider an alternative. In my 22' (1999 model) I added the flat floor boards, but they can be slippery under certain conditions. I'm seriously considering putting Aqua Turf on the boards this spring. It can be glued down or stuck down (by the 3-M sticky back) and comes with different patterns and colors. It would be very kind to your feet and probably last a number of years. Won't absorb water, easy to clean up, and non skid. Jody Kidd of Centerville, Utah, has some on his 22' well, and it looks and feels good. Just a thought. John
 
If you want to do a full factory restore, that's one thing. But, if you just want a dressed up non-skid surface that's not hard on the feet, go back to Home Depot and tell them that you want the same silica additive paint that's used on tennis courts, colored grey. It's not epoxy, but touch up is a piece of cake. I use it on a couple of steps, but there's no reason it couldn't be used other places.
 
John S":28k377g1 said:
Does anyone out there know how it was done at the factory back in the day that hasn't chimed in yet.

I don't specifically know for sure how it was done by any C-Dory builder, but I can say how it's often done with a molded fiberglass boat.

In a nutshell, the boat is built from the outside in, in female molds. So start by picturing the deck mold (basically everything from the gunwales up) upside down in the workshop.

Into that upside down deck mold would be sprayed a mold-release of some type (think of greasing a pan before cooking something so that it does not stick to the pan afterward). After that, gelcoat (polyester resin + pigment) would be sprayed in. That will make up both the non-skid and the overall shiny boat finish. If the non-skid is a different color than the rest of the deck, it would be sprayed in first.

Next, resin and reinforcements ("cloth") are used to build up the boat's deck. I don't know how C-Dorys were/are made, but this can be done in different ways (by hand, vacuum bag, etc.)

If parts of the deck are to be cored (which is common), then after some number of layers the core is laid down, and then more layers of fiberglass are added up to the final thickness.

Gelcoat may be sprayed over the inside (although this just depends on what the inside of a particular boat will be finished like - some boats have a gelcoat finish, some are painted, and some are left bare and then the fiberglass covered by some decorative material (wood, vinyl, etc.). My guess would be that the "white with lines or speckles" finish on the inside of a C-Dory is gelcoat, but I don't know for sure.

If the inside of the deck/cabin is gelcoated, you can probably notice that the shine/finish of it is a lot different than the outside of the boat. That's because the outside layer was sprayed into a mold, whereas the inside was "painted on" as a last layer. It's a lot easier to get a nice, shiny perfect gelcoat layer the first way. With non-skid patterns that are like diamonds (vs. sandy), the "negative" of the non-skid pattern would be present in the mold itself.

For me, if I were going to repair/replace a non-skid area, the first decision would be whether to repair or replace. For a small area on a boat where most of the non-skid was still in great condition, I might try to duplicate the non-skid (you can't re-spray it in a mold at this point, but there are various ways, including the molds made by people like Gibco Flex-Mold*).

For a boat with non-skid that was not in overall good condition, I would probably sand/grind the non-skid off completely and start over (from a flat deck). If I were starting over, I would probably use something like a two-part LPU paint (Awlgrip being one example), or maybe a two-part Acrylic (Awlcraft and others). You can use sand, walnuts, etc. for the actual grip; or there are specially made "beads" that are supposed to be a bit less "sharp" (may resist wearing through the top of the paint better). Interlux makes one. Gelcoat can possibly be harder to control in a "surface" application (vs. spraying into a mold). Of course it can be done; I'm just saying it's not as easy as the original mold spraying.

These days, I would say that a two-part linear LPU is being used as the equivalent of gelcoat on some/many boats. That is, they are being painted straight from the builder vs. gelcoated. But it's really more of a "coating" than "simply" a paint. That's not to say that there's anything wrong with gelcoat - especially when sprayed into a mold - as it's a great finish. Just that paints/coatings can have a place as well.

One last note is that epoxy generally does not have appropriate UV resistance (can be improved with pigment, but still not complete), so if it's used it should generally have a paint or varnish topcoat to protect it and keep it from breaking down.

PS: Here is a link that discusses the use of Gibco Flex-Mold. If they don't have the exact pattern of your deck, you can sometimes use a very similar one and get decent results (depending on your expectations).

http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Upl ... onskid.pdf
 
I don't have personal experience but I know several people that have used a product called Kiwi Grip to redo non skid surfaces. All reports are good and it might me a good option.

Good Luck
 
Don't worry about refinishing it, except as needed to prevent water getting into the fiberglass (a little gelcoat repair will take care of this). Just get some Dry-Dek. It comes in one foot squares and can be cut to fit. Best investment I ever made for my boat. Especially when halibiut fishing the back deck can get slippery - the Dry-Dek stuff completely eliminates that problem. Available is several colors from West Marine (p. 847 in 2012 catalog).
 
Finally tackled this project last summer and got some BEAUTIFUL results that look FACTORY! Much, much, better than a shop I won't name in Wasilla, AK who looked at the original non-skid and said it would be easy to reproduce (before they screwed it up royally)
Wanted to pass this along because I agonized over how to do this right for a long time.
So.....here's how I made C-Dory floor texture:

Home Depot sand (from paint department)
Cabosil Thickener
Roberts Grey Gel Coat

Mix to goopy sour cream consistency. Apply pushing hard on a 3/8 texturing roller. When cured, knocked off top by hand with 36 grit sanding disc.

This photo shows the crap job done by a "pro" at a shop.
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Photo below is C-Dory factory floor texturing
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Final photo is after I finished the interior. The color became consistent after it all cured. The next day I did the cockpit.
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Yes, I definitely sanded off the the previous work first. I experimented a little bit at first and could tell where the shop had gone wrong. if i didn't push down real hard on the roller you got the same crappy pattern that the fiberglass shop did. Lots of pressure on the roller was the answer!
 
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