angler vs cruiser (16')

Thank you all for chiming in on this thread! I've been fascinated by looking at boats since I was a toddler, and as an adult starting noticing that C-dory's really caught my eye. Since I've been on this site, I've discovered so many more great things about these boats and their owners. It's a really good feeling to see that my initial impression has led to the right kinda place!

-James
 
Hello C-brats,

As an aspiring future C-dry owner, I've been on a 22' Angler and a 16' Angler. I'd really love to get to meet a 16' Cruiser and a 19' Angler. Does anyone have one they'd be willing to show off to me? It would be greatly appreciated!

-James
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A couple of other options, Clutesi Haven is in Port Alberni, and is a reasonable ramp. Fee for launch and paring there. No wash rack but there is a pretty nice car wash close. Or China Creek launch, which is closer to Port Alberni than Poet Nooke so less of that road. The run down from Port Alberni is best done in the mornings, or when the wind and tides are coordinated.

There are a few hidey holes, and frequent tug and barge traffic that can be sources for flat water. I followed a huge (100 x 300ft ) log barge in near totally flat water for several miles there. Outside of his wake were oncoming 3 foot whitecaps. I did call him on the VHF and ask for permission to tag along, and he advised me of a 150 foot line they were trailing with a float on the end, so to watch for that, and not get it wrapped in the prop.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Interesting shear stripe on that SF "17". Really looks like a 16, but the bow section on the shear stripe has been "modified" froom the standard C-Dory pattern.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Harvey, I noticed he listed it as 17' but figured that was a mistake. Do you think it's accurate?

I didn't really notice the thick stripe on the bow, but it's older so maybe it was just repainted like that somewhere along the way. I'd 'cruise' down there myself if it wasn't an angler, or a 'fisherman' as I think the small model was called in '89. Still holding out for the cruiser!

Jackie
 
HI Jackie,

I think you are right, it has been painted, or re-stripped some how. Looks like a little cousin to a SeaSport or Skagit Orca now. I'm pretty sure it is still a 16 foot C-Dory, and it has C-Dory label on the side. If we had the VIN number that would say it for sure. I'll go out on a limb here and say it's a 16 with a typo in the ad :wink:

Good luck on your hold out. Of course, if you change your mind and want to fly down to see it, I would be happy to pull it up to the ferry for you :)

Best in your search for perfect cruiser.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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That looks like a nice 16 Angler, I like the bow rails. My 16 didn't have those. But the price seems a tad high for an almost 30 year old boat; it looks like it was fished a lot and the main motor is a dinosaur.

I'd say somewhere around $10k would be fair. The seller said he was firm on his price but I don't think he'll sell it quickly at $13.5k.
 
Jeez Peter-Thanks for that stroll down memory lane.Four beautiful boats. a whole bunch of beautiful C-Brats, and a beautiful, cold PNW day. If I remember correctly the lecture on "Sponsoons, what they are and why we don't need them" was cancelled.
Instead we enjoyed fish and chips at Ivars in Coulon Park at the south end of Lake Washington. circumnavigated Mercer Island and Sark and his family took off for home up the Sammamish Slough at the north end of the Lake.
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hardee":2c11sinj said:
I didn't know Peter and Caryn had a 16. Good to see you here Marty. Great little boats.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Yeah Harvey, it was a nice little boat. I had it a year. But I got spoiled by buying C-Dancer brand new and would have to put in a lot of money in upgrades to match the "luxury" that C-Dancer had, like a new 4-stroke main and kicker, hydraulic steering, new trailer and camperback. I just didn't want to put that much into it so I sold it. But I enjoyed it while I had it.

Peter
 
dotnmarty":3c41lcbu said:
Jeez Peter-Thanks for that stroll down memory lane.Four beautiful boats. a whole bunch of beautiful C-Brats, and a beautiful, cold PNW day. If I remember correctly the lecture on "Sponsoons, what they are and why we don't need them" was cancelled.
Instead we enjoyed fish and chips at Ivars in Coulon Park at the south end of Lake Washington. circumnavigated Mercer Island and Sark and his family took off for home up the Sammamish Slough at the north end of the Lake.
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Yes Marty, it was definitely a good day. Brings back some good memories. Wonder whatever happened to Sark?
 
Wow, all this Sixteen Talk and I've been wasting my time watching Downton Abbey and wondering if Lady Edith will ever find love.

After reading the 15,000 words you guys offered on this thread, I'm impressed. You gentlemen know your stuff! My '89 16' Angler and I just topped 3,000 hours last summer, and I thought I knew a thing or two. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to keep an open mind. Man, there's a hell of a lot of very useful information offered here.

C-Pup, you're amazing out there at Catalina Island! You, too, See Saw. Mike R, your photos are inspiring, and they bring such wonderful memories of having done all those same things for 26 years. (Subtract 2014, when my 50 Honda was ripped off :evil:) Harvey, I hope the 16' isn't a dying breed. That little critter is like Roberto Duran in his prime, tough as they come, and ready to serve up another knockout experience that we'll remember for decades. No blood, either. It's too safe and stable.

My preference is the Angler because of the kind of boating I do. I cruise alone or with just one other person, and I'm perfectly happy to run 10 hours and 108 miles from Friday Harbor, across the Strait, down to Blake Island. Or maybe follow Pat and Patti at 6 knots and listen to Nat King Cole for three hours. Point is, the Angler is better balanced for my application, and Da Boats as usual, was right again. (He was that smart kid in the front of the class. Remember him?) Anyway, his Sunday post is the absolute truth as I've learned after thousands of miles. And I recall a conversation with Mark at C-Dory in 1991 when the Cruiser was created. He felt that moving the helm back two feet would make the vessel a little stern heavy, but that the boat very likely would outsell the Angler because of the superior overnight accommodations. He was right. I've got a 200 pound motor, two 50 pound tanks, a battery and a cooler aft. I need more weight forward to deal with wind and wakes. It rides beautifully, bow down, and I can adjust the cooler as needed.

Marty outed me as the mole in the hole. It's true. I'm like a cartoon figure as I actually sleep in the cutty with my feet extended through the opening. I need cushions and pillows up there for structure, but it works pretty great. Still, for 17 years I used the cockpit for sleeping, and still might when with others. And fish? I think I've seen 'em, at Whole Foods. Those are the beautiful, slippery critters that never wriggle in, and if ever gutted aboard would prompt a Mr. Carson-like facial contortion.

Wood Zep, everyone here is well-informed and correct: You can't go wrong either way. But like Socrates, Know Thyself. Too, my boat's up in Mt. Vernon and I'd be happy to show it. I can't this Saturday but we can work out another day.
Brock
 
"Harvey, I hope the 16' isn't a dying breed. That little critter is like Roberto Duran in his prime, tough as they come, and ready to serve up another knockout experience that we'll remember for decades. No blood, either. It's too safe and stable."

Brock, Me Too. I would hope the 16's are around a long time. That is why I said for the current owners to take good care of them. I made that comment just after the 2016 Seattle Boat Show, where I had opportunity to have quite an at length discussion with both Mark and Ron Wright and it was very apparent that producing and selling C-Dory's was not their priority. Which struck me as interesting after looking at the one 22 Cruiser they had on display. It was very well done, finish and fit, but not very well displayed. No staging evident. It was obviously not the prime promotion.

In that chat, it was made clear that the profit margin on the C-Dory 22 is no-where near what the SeaSport is, so the business model is to promote the SeaSport. It makes business sense, unless you look at the niche that the C-Dory fills. Less dollars, less fancy and more utilitarian. So, with the profit margin on the 22 barely acceptable, and the 16 being fewer $$$ and less profit margin, I have some concern that there will ever be any new 16s built, even though there was some contradiction to that line of thinking expressed earlier.

I am really in favor of preservation of the 16 because I firmly believe that at some point, I will be looking for one, and it might be before you are ready to sell Bambina.

I think the big issue is that NMI does not see the niche and the need to fill it. But that isn't what this thread is about so I'll concur that they are cute little boats with huge ability and and with a capable skipper (like Bambina"s) they are limited only be careful weather watching.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Thanks for your follow-up, Harvey. Yep, profit margin and demand are going to drive production.
That said, I'm enjoying my boat, and the years I have left, with enthusiasm.
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Catman":1k2z42i3 said:
Thanks for your follow-up, Harvey. Yep, profit margin and demand are going to drive production.
That said, I'm enjoying my boat, and the years I have left, with enthusiasm.
:cat

Thanks Catman, As we all should. :thup :thup

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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QUOTE:
"Harvey, I hope the 16' isn't a dying breed. That little critter is like Roberto Duran in his prime, tough as they come, and ready to serve up another knockout experience that we'll remember for decades. No blood, either. It's too safe and stable."


I think the 19 is more of a dying breed than the 16. It's way easier to find a used 16 rather than used 19...especially in the Northeast. I still can't believe I actually got my paws on a 19!
 
South of Heaven":2eodl6kd said:
QUOTE:
"Harvey, I hope the 16' isn't a dying breed. That little critter is like Roberto Duran in his prime, tough as they come, and ready to serve up another knockout experience that we'll remember for decades. No blood, either. It's too safe and stable."



I think the 19 is more of a dying breed than the 16. It's way easier to find a used 16 rather than used 19...especially in the Northeast. I still can't believe I actually got my paws on a 19!

Jason, That might have to do with that there were made 16' made than 19s.

I remember seeing that somewhere, but cant remember the numbers.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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