I should not be here> but as long as I am here goes. We went thru all this with the cape cruiser thing and I for one was willing to have them here with their own form. Others disagreed and I lost that one, well really we all lost. Now you make a good point about the tug. Great looking boat but now no longer a c-dory product, even in name only. Not even really in the same class as far as type of boat. To slow and more fit and finish then any c-dory, last home of the Spartan. But hey we know a lot of these guys and girls and can’t stand to see them go. Then there’s pat, we all love pat and hope him well with the new boat, which I have not seen yet. (You got to drive right by here on the way out pat) but it’s not even a c-dory in name only. No flat bottom, well not as flat, and not even a dory. It’s a lobster boat thingy. There was a lot of bull against the CC but at least it was a dory, not a tug or a lobster boat. It looked a lot like a dory and even lead the way for some improvements for the c-dory (glass door and flat deck that drains) but I was told it was all about brand loyalty, and about the boats not the people. Well looks to me likes it’s about the people after all, and I hope it always stays that way. So what will happen to all the current Cape Cruiser owners when c-dory starts to produce them, they own the molds. Will we only let the new owners in or all the owners? I am for all the owners and tug guy and even that traitor pat :wink: with his open air fly bridge. Guess what I am saying is it’s about the people and the type of boating that attracts them. I will not being taking questions because I am a brat and why bother on this one, also mike if you’re out there I did not start it ......this time.