25' Fisherman Model????

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Jack in Alaska

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:D I presently have a 24 yr. old 22' classic style CD with a helmsman seat on both port and starbord (no table), a porta potti(for wife), berth area for laying fishing rods and some storage compartments for fishng miscl. "stuff". I would like to upgrade to a slightly larger boat(preferably C-Dory) but do not need all of the "fluff" and short rear deck that the new 25' contains. We do not party on, cruise on or cook on our boat. We fish on it, wife "wees" in PP, we use navigation/depth finder/radio electronics. A fish box would be wonderful as would be under seating cabinetry for storage. Also extending the bow rail to the back of the shortened cabin would be a great safety feature for getting up on the bow deck.
Would others consider a stripped down short cabin model of the 25' CD for their next purchase. No marine toilet, water tanks/sink, closets, cook tops, water heaters etc.
The price would be much more reasonable for us fisherman and the lighter weight may allow for a smaller engine to power it and improving fuel economy.

Although not a boat builder I would think that the hull mold would be the same and the cabin/roof mold could be plugged to make a short cabin model.
Ideas/suggestions may persuade CD to consider making this type of boat.
I am just throwing this out as an idea. I definitelty would be interested and willing to put $$$ down on one today.
Thanks......Jack
 
I am not sure how much lighter the "angler" 25 would be--there would have to be a deck mold for the cockpit floor, where the cabin now is. That would be almost as heavy as the cabin. (The 25 uses the hull as cabin sole as does your 22). I have a 130 on the 25 and doubt if one would be happy with less hp on that hull, even with a thousand lbs less weight. The railings would be a hinderance, unless you widened the side deck. Probably the most "rational" way to do it, would be a cabin molded from the 22 angler, and custom build side decks, which would be wider--Probably have to make the foreward part in several segments--the foredeck first, since it is longer and wider than the 22. Then the cabin house, finally a new mold for the cockpit floor, or make your own cockpit floor. Probably be a good DIY, if the company was willing to sell the "parts". Many companies have done this in the past...
Good fishing!
 
Bob,
Thanks for your reply. You always have informed and logical suggestions and they are appreciated.
Not being a fiberglass handyman or a boat builder doing it myself is not an optiion. Maybe 25 yrs. ago but stiff/sore joints stopped all that.
I know railings are usually kept within the rubrails to prevent railing damage when docking, like against piling etc. I could have those made locally to my specs.
A lower priced and more functional 25' C-Dory was my intent. The CD quality is what I was trying to obtain although the 25' you bought seemed to be lacking in that dept. Do you think that has had any effect on the sales of 25 footers?
My other choice is a Parker but there are not many available up here and I would like to stick with a CD. Parkers are not as economiclal to operate as a CD either.
Jack.......on the trailer today, water too rough to troll. A 25 footer would possibly allow me to go out.
 
Jack I hear you about physical limitations, and I suspect my days of serious modifications are over. However, it might be possiable to get a person off season to do the work in Alaska in exchange for fishing time!

It would be interesting to see what people think about the seaworthyness of the 25 vs the 22. I am not entirely sure that the 22's ride is not that far from the 25, but I haven't run my 25 enough in rough water to know. (The first time, I was limited in that the trim tabs didn't work and I did't push the engine because of question about water pump impeller). The self bailing cockpit is a plus in the 25, but then you have the cockpit floor raised up about a foot. I think that you could do the modificaton of the cockpit floor very easily, and just go with the molded floor that exists, and extend it, or even make your own floor--that would probably be the easiest part. The side decks might be a little more of a challange, depending on what could be premolded. The cabin house would be fairly easy.

I have thought about flaired decks which were over the side of the hull, to give more foot room on the deck. This is done on houseboats. Yes, the railings could be flaired and give enough free room for the feet, but any railings would still be at a level which would "clip" a person. I have had boats with very secure railings--but these were 40" high and 1 to 1 1/4 inch stainless steel welded all of the way around the side decks and bow. This is much more substantial than would be practical in a C Dory.

Yes, you could definately make a boat lighter than the factory boat. As for the basic hull construction. I think it is still sound. I have not yet had a chance to see a new 25 which is in our area. But the problems in the 2003-2005 boats was due to lack or appropiate sealing, to compromising on materials rather than construction techniques per say. Only time will tell. Certainly the Angler 25 is a good concept, and my personal opinion is that it would be more popular than a Center console 25.
 
Jack-

Not to hyjack the discussion, but, from what you're looking for, you can have it custom made at Radon Boats.

They have a fantastic reputation, and are used by fire departments, police, fish and game enforcement, etc. .....anybody that wants an indestructible boat.

They are usually I/O's, though, and have powerful deep-V hulls.

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Joe.
 
Sea Wolf-Joe,
Thanks for the suggestion of the Radon boats. I am aware of them but that is not what i am looking for. I want to stick with a C-Dory due to it's utility, quality, more reasonable price and economy of operation because it is not a deep V hull design. Also the fun of remaining in the CD family is of interest to me.

Haeligehs Comet is an interesting boat. I followed it's developement through this site when it was rebuilt. He did a fantastic job on it and invested a lot of time and money.
A comment made to me by Roy Toland, the designer of both the 22' and the 27' C-Dory, has stuck in my head for a long time. When I asked him back in the 80's about the performance of the 27' compared to the 22' he said that the 27' was not his best effort. End of story for me.
 
Jack... Much like you I have and had been asking C-Dory for about 5 years to build such a boat from either their CD25 when they were about to re-introduce it, when they came out with the updated CR-21-EC & CR25...now the Ranger Tug 25...for an Angler version. I wanted to stay with C-Dory on this boat. As things have changed and progressed, and from the answers I received from them after owning 3 C-Dory boats.... I was told it was not going to happen...so, I looked elsewhere.

Take a look at the Rosborough RF-246 Custom Wheelhouse.

http://www.rosboroughboats.com/custom_wheelhouse.html

I am putting one of these together with some custom work as we speak. Will send you and any others interested pics and talk in time, but right thru this gap, long hours in the shop, and much travel. Things will slow down for a bit more emailing/web time in about a month.

Byrdman
 
Jack,

Since Byrdman confirmed that C-Dory is not building the boat you want...you may also want to check out an Aluminum Chambered Boat. http://www.acbboats.com/

They're a bit pricey, but living in Alaska it'll be the last boat you'll ever need to buy. Definitely on my short list of boats to consider 'when' I start to look for a replacement boat, which I'm not doing...I just love looking and dreaming.
 
Another way to gain length in the cockpit AND keep that great cabin is to do the motor bracket mod. This could eliminate most of the splash well giving another foot and a half of open cockpit. I am in the planing stage currently but will be taking this on shortly.
Mike
 
Byrdman":d5lx2dzf said:
Take a look at the Rosborough RF-246 Custom Wheelhouse.

http://www.rosboroughboats.com/custom_wheelhouse.html

I am putting one of these together with some custom work as we speak. Will send you and any others interested pics and talk in time, but right thru this gap, long hours in the shop, and much travel. Things will slow down for a bit more emailing/web time in about a month.

Byrdman
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Byrdman gave us a personal tour of his new Rosborough. From a female's point of view I can tell you that it's a really nice boat with LOTS of room. Sure do like it :thup Joe says that it's built as solid as a brick.

Ruth and Joe/R-Matey
 
Mike,
Have you done any pre-engineering on this to see if the transom will take the strain of a bracket.??
I really like that solution though. It surely would solve the small rear deck problem. I don't dislike all of the "frilly stuff" on those boats but not at the expense of good fishing room.
I looked at a new Orca Skagit at AMD today. Twin 135 hp Evinrude E-Tech's but they will switch it to Hondas for same $$$.
That is a great and well built boat. It was parked next to a new Tomcat, a new 25' CD and a new 22' CD. Quite a selection and allowed a good comparison
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Jack..........just down the road from you
 
Alasgun":351pktr1 said:
Another way to gain length in the cockpit AND keep that great cabin is to do the motor bracket mod. This could eliminate most of the splash well giving another foot and a half of open cockpit. I am in the planing stage currently but will be taking this on shortly.
Mike
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For those of you unfamiliar with this approach, you may want to consider what has already been done along these lines.

Billy's hull extension was the first along these lines for a C-Dory 22.

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Billy's finished project. Project photos start HERE. And the discussion thread is HERE.

Next up: Alasgun Mikea doing somewhat the same on a CD-25!

Joe.
 
From what we have seen on the CD 25 and its transom, there would need to be some modifications, but I feel that it would lend well to a Armstrong Bracket. In the models where the plywood does not go across the entire transom, you would have to keep some re-enforcement in the well area, but I could invision cutting back the well, and putting something similar to what is on the Tom Cat 255, but narrower This could give you another 2 feet in the cockpit. We considered this on our CD 25, and have not entirely dropped this idea.
 
I had admired that work, but does it lengthen the cockpit, or just unclutter it? Sounds like the torque on the transom is well handled. Cool (but major) project.
 
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