2018 Inside Passage South

I'm looking at my planning chart now. Maybe the first thing I need to do is orient myself with exactly which islands are part of the Broughtons, and what all is considered Desolation Sound. (As I'm a bit confused with the suggestions/information being provided. When I look at my chart, I see several larger islands flanked by "Desolation Sound" on the south and Hardwicke Island on the north. Then a bit of a run up Johnstone Strait, with numerous coves, up till W. Crocroft Island, with numerous smaller islands just north of that.

Bob, is that the run up Johnstone that you say might be a little rough? Part of this year's "cruise" is kind of a shake down and learning experience for me before heading up to the North part of the Inside Passage next year. Interestingly enough, I was reading one book that spoke of circumventing Vancouver Island in a month. I'm just primarily looking at the area between Princess Louisa Inlet, and Port McNeil with just about 4 weeks of time. Looking at the bigger chart, it looks like I could do a run up Princess Louisa Inlet from either Ladysmith or Campbell River. Colby
 
Johnston Strait can be "bumpy" would be putting it mildly. it is not uncommon to have a 3 day blow that will generate stuff you would not want to be in, in a C-Dory. I have seen 5-6 foot plus there and been stuck in Alert Bay for 3 days of 30 knots and more with not let up. It is typical to have late morning winds come up that will last the rest of the day. Launching at Telegraph Cove you can get across Johnston early in the morning in the fog before the wind comes up. It is only a few miles across and then you can get into protection. You don't have to run in Johnston Strait.

As mentioned in another thread, these are the places I would recommend for launch and parking.

For the Broughtons I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND Telegraph Cove. I have stayed there several times. They are easy to work with, plenty of secure parking, a good washdown and ramp (IF you are on the Building 29 side of the bay.) It is great easy access to the Broughtons north edge, and often good whale watching. Contact info for TC.

http://www.telegraphcove.ca/content/marina
1642 TELEGRAPH COVE ROAD,
TELEGRAPH COVE, BC
CANADA V0N 3J0
TELEPHONE: (250) 928-3163 OR 1-877-TEL-COVE
FAX: (250) 928-3162
EMAIL: RESERVATIONS@TELEGRAPHCOVE.CA



For Desolation, Campbell River is good access, and CR Storage was a super place to park. If/When you call, tell them you saw them on the C-BRATS. They are a bit out of town but gave "courtesy rides" to and from the launch ramp in CR. Here is contact info:

CR STORAGE WAREHOUSES
4350 Terminal Place
Middle Point (Across from Coal Terminal)
2.5 min North of Discovery LNG
(Northern end of Campbell River, BC)

250-287-UNIT (8648)
Toll-free: 1-866-513-8648

info@crstoragewarehouses.ca

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Change 6... :? Looking more at the idea of ferrying over to Vancouver Island, and launching from there, makes some sense. So for now I'm going with launching out of Ladysmith to head over to Friday Harbor, and then after the gathering , enjoying cruising back up through some of the San Juans I missed before, and the Gulf Islands. Back into Ladysmith, drive my wife down to the Victoria Airport, then return to Ladysmith to load the boat and trailer up to Campbell River. Launch to do Prince Louisa Inlet and Desolation Sound. Then either stay on the water up to the Broughtons, or retrieve the boat, trailer up to Telegraph Cove and relaunch there. I suspect the cost of the Ferry will break even or save me a bit on boat fuel and time. At this point I'm looking at the BC Ferries out of Tsawwassen to Duke Point by Nanaimo. Unless someone knows of a better ferry choice... Colby
 
colbysmith":2zjf4lhe said:
Change 6... :? Looking more at the idea of ferrying over to Vancouver Island, and launching from there, makes some sense. So for now I'm going with launching out of Ladysmith to head over to Friday Harbor, and then after the gathering , enjoying cruising back up through some of the San Juans I missed before, and the Gulf Islands. Back into Ladysmith, drive my wife down to the Victoria Airport, then return to Ladysmith to load the boat and trailer up to Campbell River. Launch to do Prince Louisa Inlet and Desolation Sound. Then either stay on the water up to the Broughtons, or retrieve the boat, trailer up to Telegraph Cove and relaunch there. I suspect the cost of the Ferry will break even or save me a bit on boat fuel and time. At this point I'm looking at the BC Ferries out of Tsawwassen to Duke Point by Nanaimo. Unless someone knows of a better ferry choice... Colby
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Crazy idea....You are going to go thru customs to drive thru Tsawwassen to Nanaimo, drive to Ladysmith, launch, go thru the Gulf Islands to get to Friday harbor, where you clear customs back into the USA. The only advantage I see there is that you have the truck to drive your wife to the Airport. (Launching at Sidney would be far closer to the airport and better for both the Gulf and San Juans, if you wanted to clear customs several times...and there are closer places to take the ferry.) :lol:

A Nordhavn 40 (boat that went around the World), took 75 days to do the 1200 miles around Vancouver Island--and had to wait out weather several times. We took over that in our 46 footer (also built for circumnavigation) and didn't think it was enough time--most of our 3 months was on the West side) I have spent a month in the Broughtons, and didn't think it was enough.

Did you download the Navionics link? The Garmin Blue Charts App also gives good charts to review--that gives you some detailed chart of the various coves, and you can plot distances. You want to maximize your time cruising great areas and seeing things, than crossing straits and rough bodies of water.

Yes from Vancouver Island Campbell River is a good launching point, and you can make a loop, as I suggested in the other post. The Broughtons are from North Broughton South including all of those Islands North and East of Cracroft Point.

Desolation Sound proper is the area N and E of Gifford Peninsula, North Side officially is Mink Island, on up to the provincial park. But Squirrel Cove, and all of the arms of Redonda Island are worth exploration. You can travel in fairly protected waters up to Sunderland Channel, North of Hardwicke Island-- There are anchorages at Blenkinsop Bay, to wait out a North Wind coming down Johnstone Strait. Port Neville gives a stop if you need to get out of the weather. Not sure of the status of the Government Dock there--we anchored. It is about 30 miles in Johnstone Straits where you are exposed. We went down this channel in the C Dory 25 with seas well into the 8- 10 foot range--no one was coming up the channel and all were anchored at Port Neville or Sunderland Channel area.

One of the resorts in the Broughton had a C Dory 22 as their transport boat. Some folks had gotten injured when crossing during heavy weather. This stretch needs to be respected.
 
Thanks for the additional information Bob. It does help. Yeah, I know it's crazy. But looking at everything and considering what I want to do and where I want to go, it really does make sense. I have Garmin's Bluechart G2 Vision for the area, and along with being able to plug it into my chartplotter, I can also plug it in my computer to use with Homeport and zoom in to get detailed chart views. And I also have Active Captain loaded into the software also, so can even link to information there. For general idea of the area, I have a planning chart hanging on my wall next to my desk. I think I"ll break even in costs regarding the ferry ride vs. my own fuel use and time. I'm trusting another C-Brat's recommendation to use Ladysmith, and in speaking with someone at the marina there today, sounds like parking will be no problem. I will have to pay for parking in Campbell River, but that puts me closer to Desolation, and I can loop up to the Broughtons from there, if the weather is cooperating. And if not, I can still trailer even farther north.

Colby
 
It boils down to a style of cruising vs touring....Go and enjoy the people, place for a day or so at the minimum. Or a different place every night. If the weather co-operates, then you can do what you had outlined.

For the most part, we put in at Sequim (both in the Cal 47 and the C Dory 22/25)--although we have launched smaller boats at Campbell River, and Telegraph Cove.

I have never figured the cost of going in the C Dory on the water, vs going along the same coast in a truck/towing--and adding in aggravation of launch and retrieve. You may be correct that it is less expensive than launching at Anacortes, and doing the entire trip on the water--renting a car for a day to get your wife to the Airport. But I probably would do that considering the trip you are taking--and you would rarely hit the same place coming back as you did going up.
 
I'll look into that other ferry. And I'm more of a different place every night, unless I have to hide out a few days for weather, or really enjoying where I'm at, kind of guy. :mrgreen: I'll enjoy the trip, and just stay flexible with the time/schedule. My only restriction on the amount of time I have up there, is I have a wife that will be at home, and I'd kind of like to get back to her. :D My plans are to be back on my way home by no later than the last week of June. If the weather is fantastic, I'll see more. If it's not, then I'll see some places longer than I hoped for. And if I'm delayed getting back to the truck and trailer...just means I'm away from home longer. Retirement is great, but I still have a working wife that I like to see now and then! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :love Colby
 
hardee":3hkkb2fw said:
Johnston Strait can be "bumpy" would be putting it mildly.
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I vividly remember the surfing lesson I took in Johnston Strait. It was in a 30' Fairliner. We had to take the seas on the beam for a moment to escape into Kelsey Bay. That was exciting. Everybody was hitchhiking into Sayward. The marina and tavern were full to the gills.

hardee":3hkkb2fw said:
For the Broughtons I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND Telegraph Cove.
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Seconded. We rented a room with a kitchen (on short notice) the night of our return from the Broughtons. It was pricey, but I still get bonus points from my wife for that idea. When solo, I stayed at an affordable semi-cheesey motel in Port Hardy that has a restaurant attached (which closes kind of early).

Mark
 
Another late thought (question). For those that have traversed the Inside Passage. Cash? Canadian or US while in British Columbia? I assume that the commercial properties, such as stores and marinas, will take Credit Cards. However, are there ever any smaller park's docks that have self paid envelopes where you pay for an overnight and if so, what do most folks do? I'm thinking about picking up some Canadian cash before heading out on the boat, and just wondering what others have done. Colby
 
1.2859 Canadian for $1 US at this time. or 0.776924 US for one Canadian. That is today--it changes daily. I used a credit card when I could, to get the best exchange rate since my credit card company has low or no exchange rates. You can get Canadian at any of the banks at the official rate. we did carry a certain amount of Canadian cash. They will love to take the US dollars!

Try and find out what fee the credit card company or bank charges (2.5% is not unusual!) "Money exchangers" are often more.

There used to be a program where when you get rebates on Value Added Tax, or certain sales taxes, on purchases over $200 and kept receipts. I believe that the rules for this have changed--and you may want to check about current law.
 
I don't believe either of my credit cards charge a fee for the conversion, or if they do, it's very minimal. What I'm thinking of are locations that are cash only. Usually the Honor systems with envelopes. In the US I tend to write checks at those.
 
In my business we were always happy to take US $'s at par. Most of our US customers were happy to comply rather than going thru the hassle of changing there Greenbacks for our rainbow currency. I always carry some cash while travelling, many small businesses do not accept plastic.
 
Colby, all but the most remote places will have debit/credit card capability. As thataway details, plastic will invariably give you the best exchange rate, even with the nominal fees attached. Better than any cash register transaction, anyhow, except for Black Ball ferry from Port Angeles to Victoria.

Cash? Definitely. We take a roll of Canadian currency, usually about $300 US converted to Canadian, acquired at the first bank we hit. Any excess goes into an envelope and into the wall safe at home for the next trip. Handy to have half a day's walking money in hand so you do not have to hit the bank first thing.

One more thing. Larger US banks sometimes have a reciprocal agreement with a Canadian bank at their ATMs for cash withdrawals: no fee at the ATM! Your bank will know which Canadian bank this is. A few years back, Bank of America had a no fee arrangement with Bank of Montreal or maybe ScotiaBank. Saves a couple bucks each visit.
 
Excited. Drove my last bus for the school year today, and will head out tomorrow with the boat in tow. Looking forward to meeting everyone at the Friday Harbor gathering, and then on towards the north a bit more. If anyone wants to follow the path of Midnight Flyer once I'm launched, here are some links.

https://www.fleetmon.com/vessels/midnight-flyer_0_10933900/

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/MIDNIGHT-FLYER-IMO-0-MMSI-338131849

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:4131207/mmsi:338131849/vessel:338131849

Because I already entered my MMSI number into these sites, they should link directly to a page regarding my boat. However, if you find a better link, just enter my MMSI number: 338131849
 
New issue. I have several friends and family that are not on FaceBook where I routinely post many of my photos from boating. So I thought seriously about blogging to keep a running commentary about my cruise and to upload photos. However, I've never blogged, and don't like the idea of everything going to a public news outlet. In the end, I think I'll just use this thread, if no one here minds. I can share my trip with others here, and all my photos can be posted to a nested album at Midnight Flyer. (And anyone I give the link to can open up the thread to see.) Colby
 
In Washington now, and here is my running blog from my 4 days of travel across the country.

5/10/2018 Got a good start this morning at 7:30am. And drove farther than my 500 miles planned, stopping at a Cenex truck stop and Dairy Queen around 6pm for the night in Chamberlain, SD. A total of 576 miles for the day. Saw two Bald Eagles along the highway today. One in a tree before leaving Wisconsin, and one in a farmer’s field in western Minnesota somewhere. Just in case anyone is interested in the specs. I’m using my 2016 Ford F150 with the 302 V8 to pull my 22’ C-Dory. Average MPG today was around 12. Fuel was 2.69/gal around LaCrosse, WI, both sides of the state line. Then in Worthington, MN, I paid 2.67/gal. Here in Chamberlain, I was on the take for 2.94/gal. I didn’t fill the tank completely, hoping this was just a high spot along my route. A few sprinkles today, with rain forecast for tonight and tomorrow. Hope to get an early start in the morning, and maybe a late breakfast at Wall Drug! If you haven’t figured it out, my planned route is pretty much all along Interstate 90. However there is a neat free little campground near Ashland, MT, so I’ll be taking Hwy 212 north of Rapid City and east of Billings.
5/11/ Got another early start as I was on the road by 7am. Cold, rainy, foggy day. Was at Wall Drug by 9am and had a good breakfast there. Gas prices were between $2.49 and $2.74 in most places. A few localized stations were in the $2.90’s. This trip will definitely be more expensive than the previous year for gas. I arrived at the nice little campground near Ashland, MT, (Red Shale Forest Campground) around 3p, and at that time I was the only one there so got my pick of campsites. However, it was still raining, and I wasn’t going to be able to enjoy any campfire. Another C-Brat friend of mine that I met last year during the Snake and Columbia River run, lives in Billings, and I had planned on stopping to visit with him over breakfast tomorrow. Just seemed to make sense to press on beyond the campground, driving a total of 534 miles for the day, and instead join Lew (off of Cat Claw) for Dinner at the Billings Cracker Barrel, where I am for the night. Oh, the only “event” of the day, was the first boat inspection for this trip. All watercraft are required to stop at invasive species inspection stations. These are usually set up in rest areas or other areas off the highway. Today’s inspection was at the last west bound rest stop on I90, just before I94 merges into it, just east of Billings. Quick inspection by two polite retired gents. Routine questions of when and where was she last in the water, and where am I going to launch next. They made sure my bilge plug was pulled and asked if I had any live wells. (I don’t.) All of about 5-10 minutes. Three other boats lined up as I left.
5/12/ I was a little bit lazier this morning and didn’t get off till 9am, Wisconsin time, so guess it sounds better to say 8am local! Lol! Another rainy/foggy/cool morning, with temps in the low 40’s. Hit the Continental Divide just after noon, and slowly left the rain, fog and cold behind me! By Butte, MT, sun was shining and it was starting to warm up. Had another boat inspection today. Montana is serious about it. Will, at least they are paying guys to perform the checks. This time, 4 younger gentlemen, and even though my boat was “sealed” by the last crew (sealed with a small tie going through the bow eye and winch strap hook eye) and I provided them with the report copy, they did another inspection. This station was set up on a small side road near MP 211 on I90 west bound just west of Butte, MT. They pretty much just went through the routine, but didn’t ask me much. Decided to stop for the night at the Walmart in Smelterville, ID, a short distance east of Coeur D Alene. Big temperature difference. 80 degrees here and sunny. Will be a lot warmer sleeping tonight! (It wasn't, as it got down to 42. My little Wabasto Heater works great!) Gas today along the route was in the $2.74 range. With less wind, my mileage has gone up to just shy of 13. Some other specifics, I have electric brakes on the boat trailer, and they work well pulling through the mountains. The F150 also does a great job of downshifting and holding speeds pretty well. I tow no faster than 65mph. A few of the steeper grade climbs, I’ll slow to 60 as the transmission will downshift into 2nd gear, and really wraps out to maintain 65. Total distance driven today, 467 miles. Also noticed today, all the rivers and streams alongside the highway are flowing high and fast, and many low lying areas next to them are flooded.
5/13 Must have been two dozen semi’s in the lot last night by the time the sun went down. A number of RV’s as well. So a popular spot to stop. Today was warm and sunny. Two more boat inspections. The first one for Idaho, around MP 30 by two gals. Again, polite and quick. And finally one last inspection just crossed the border into Washington at Exit 299. All the inspections have only required 5-10 minutes and pretty straight forward. Stopped at a car wash in Spokane Valley to clean the road grime off the truck and boat. Got to my brother’s home in Graham around 4p. I’ll stay here the next two nights, then pick up Rosanne at the airport Tuesday before we continue over to Vancouver Island. Paid the most yet for gas, in Moses Lake, WA at $3.35/gal. I should have waited until the west side of town, as the truck stop there had 3.19 on it’s sign… Here in Graham it was $3.19. Colby
 
Well the wife's travels to get out here, are not going quite as smooth. Today's flights were pretty much open a few days ago, but then last night everything showed full. She did manage to get her flight from Madison to Dallas, however was stuck at DFW most of the day. Oh the fun of non-revving on employee/retiree benefits! (NOT). She finally got a flight to LA, and will connect there for a late flight to Seattle. I changed our Ferry reservations for tomorrow, so looks like we'll get on the water tomorrow afternoon sometime. Still looking at Friday Harbor by Thursday afternoon.
 
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