1999 CDory 22 cruiser deal of a life time

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Nysrx01

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Just picked up a 1999 C Dory 22 ft cruiser in the green color. Has the full camper enclosure and translucent privacy curtains. Toilet that is brand new. 1999 Yamaha F80, dual axle magic tilt trailer. Wallis stove / heater. Ice box, swim platform. Never been in salt water. It was sitting along side the road with a for sale sign. $12,000.
I offered them $11,000 cash and they accepted. I had no idea of the value of these. Everything works great but I am going to sell the F80 and upgrade the to the new Yamaha F70. I don't want to deal with a carb motor. It's mostly going to be used for fishing on inland lakes so I figured the 70 should be good and economical. Plus it's over 100 lbs less than the 80. It is recommended for a 75 hp motor and 100 max. It seems small for the size of the boat.
I saw this boat a few years back when it was at slip on a local lake. I thought it was the coolest boat ever and always thought I would like to have one. Then by chance I was riding around one day and there it sat at a landscape nursery for sale. He told me the local marina said it was worth around 12K. I had no idea on the true value until I bought it and then started researching. I found this wonderful site and have been reading everything about these Dorys since. I now realize it was a find of a lifetime.
 
Welcome aboard!

Yep, I agree it is a great deal--see the other thread about the value of a 1991 C Dory.

However, unless you are going to keep the boat very very light, I would go for a 90 hp…I understand the issue with Carbs, and my current 22 has a 90 carb motor. As long as you take care of the Carbed Yamaha, they are great motors. There is about a $1500 difference between the 70 and the 90, and the 100 lbs difference in weight. Yes, the weight makes a little difference, but I carry about 200 lbs of batteries, a freezer, and a 150 qt ice chest in the cockpit/stern area, and the boat runs fine…with the 90.
 
Also you have to understand that the 70 Yamaha block is the same block as the 50 and 60: 60.8 cu in (996 cc) The difference is variable valve timing, so you get the more HP at the high end. For "normal" cruising, you are going to be pushing that engine, when an 80 or 90 hp is more loafing along.

Why is the 70 much lighter? it is a smaller block!

The 90 hp is 97 cu in (1596 cc) That is 1/3 more engine displacement. over 1 hp / cu in is pushing the power curve in NA outboards.
 
Bob is right as to the power, and the carbed, and the ....lots of everything else :D

I have a 22 Cruiser with 2 Yamaha 40's, carbed, making 80hp, and I run the boat on the heavy side of mid weight for cruising. I would not want any less power, and if I were to repower, it would be to twin 50's. Most of my cruising is slow cruise and that's about half throttle or less and it is at sea level.

The carbed OB's have not been any trouble as long as the gas is treated with Stabil every tankful.

The Yamis should run for several thousand hours if treated well, (regular maintenance.)

Welcome here, and best to you. (As you are learning, this is a great site, lots of good people and great boats.)

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Alternator's may be different too. With all the gizmo's we have eating current while underway or on the hook... the larger the alternator the better. The EFI is going to take about 5amps that a carb did not need or use. Just pretend you gave the money difference when you purchased the hull. Welcome to the site and enjoy your boat. I still want to run the canal system up in NY. I have completed all of the Great loop except the leg between Norfolk and down the interior rivers back to TN. Bucket list and may do this Jul-Aug once back from corn planting season in the PNW and a bit of crabbing, shrimping and salmon fishing.
You will love your boat.
Byrdman
 
I have two friends who both had 22' C-Dory cruisers. One had a Honda 90 and the other had a Yamaha 80. The Yamaha equipped boat was actually a little faster. I think you might want to run the boat first with the current engine and use Stabil's blue marine formula and a little Yamaha ring free on every time you gas up. If the boat will sit for more than a month run the engine out of gas and drain the float bowls. Taking a little time doing the above should give you good service out of your current motor. If you are dying to spend the money the Yamaha 70 is a good engine from reports seen on this forum.
Great story, good luck with your new to you boat.
D.D.
 
Yes for sure I would start with Will-C statement there. Take out and use it. You need to do that even if you do sell it so it will be operating properly for any potential new owner. Several folks on here who may want a nice 4 stroke upgrade from an older 2 stroke.
 
Thanks for all helpful info. This is such a great site. Everybody here seems like one big family. I don't see myself running a lot weight. I actually plan on removing one of the gas tanks. That way I can put a empty cooler under there to put my fish in. I wouldn't be carring a lot fresh water in the tank. Just a few gallons. The boat will be trailered all the time so I like to keep things light and Only used for day fishing trips. Using 2 batteries. 2 downriggers. The majority of the time there will be just 2 people. There is a yamaha dealer close by that has a F70. He quoted me $7,000 out the door installed. If I buy it before March 31st so time is a ticking. I have already been offered $2500 for my F80 by a friend of mine. So I figured for $4500 I can have it repowered. I was looking to see if anybody on this site has the new Yamaha F70. I found one user named Red Fox down sized from a 115 to a 70. But I didn't find any reviews on how it performed. I am looking for something very economical. I know a lot of yamaha Four Stroke owners say they don't use gas they make gas. LOL thanks again to everyone for the great info. I might still consider the F90 but it might come down to the almighty dollar.
 
Thanks after reading the 250 hr report on the F70 I believe that is all the motor I am going to need. The fuel misier that this motor is , is just what I am looking for. Since I Trailer the boat I trailer it to where the fish are so I don't do a lot of long runs. The only current or tides I fight would be in the Northern Hudson River when fishing Stripers. Even then if the fish aren't in that section of the river. Instead of running the river 10-15 miles either way. I will load up the boat and drive the 10-15 miles or more to another launch that is closer to the fish.
 
Be a little cautious comparing Red Fox's report on a 1985 C Dory vs a boat newer than 1987. The old boat had many different characteristics than the boats after 1987. I don't know the weight of the 1985, but I suspect it may be lighter. The bottom is flatter, and a little less deadrise, if that is possible…

I did a mini survey on a boat in Pensacola, which was powered by a 50 hp. The owner had difficulty getting the boat to plane (I don't remember the year of the motor or the displacement of the motor.) The new owner immediately repowered the boat.

I would at least run the boat with the current motor and see what the performance is.

There may be additional rigging cost, so factor that in. The new motor will most likely have some sophisticated electronic output so it can be interfaced with NMEA 2000.

Either way, let us know how the boat performs before and after the repower!
 
Nysrx01":2le42lm8 said:
Went and sold the F80 off the back of the boat and installed a new F70. It pushes me at about 22-24 mph with the new Yamaha prop.
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Nysrx01 Thanks for the update. This is going to be interesting. Your reported speeds are the same as mine with twin 49 Yami's. It will be nice to see how it goes over the long haul.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Very interesting! I'd love to hear more, such as how loaded the boat is, what RPM you are at for a couple of given speeds, etc.

I have an F80. It's in fine shape but I do consider repowering. I was very interested in the F70, but kind of gave up on it due to lack of data on a 22 Cruiser, and expressed concerns about the small displacement (of the engine block) etc.

I also sometimes cruise at altitude, so that's a factor.

But, I'm all ears! I hope you'll tell us more about your experience with the F70.
 
We're still waiting to hear about the F70 on the 19.......I'm very curious as well. My motor is 13 years old so the idea of a re-power is in the back of my mind.

I'm thinking of either the F70 or a 75 eTec. The weight of the F70 is very appealing to me BUT being underpowered is not. Lol. I'd love to hear some first hand sea trial accounts.

I'm also open to the idea of twin F40's but the extra maintenance seems like a real inconvenience.
 
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