01/21 - 01/23 Seattle Boat Show/C-Brat Gathering

ghone":3edyt2tb said:
Had a great show, enjoyed the Grand Banks as always nice boat, the ship that caught my eye though was the Fleming 55. Nice detail on the chain washer button on the fly bridge, the whole boat was really well put together They go for about 3.9 mill so I'm short a bit. Way lower centre of gravity than the Nordhavns. Having been on a Nordhavn 86 at Swiftsure last year they're off my list. Thing was making folks seasick in only 4-5 foot chop. I'd expect something like that to feel like a church at sea.

So those 2 are off my list, I think I'll go with Kerri On, :thup

George

George, I wonder if the active stabilizers were engaged on the Nordhavn you were on. Most boats built for blue water cruising do not have flat bottoms aft and need some sort of stablizers. Read Beebe's Voyaging under Power for more -- it is a great book for dreaming! The 2nd edition (current) was updated by a guy who is or was a VP at PAE or Nordhavn. You should have it in your store, so take it home and read it!

Warren
 
The SBS CBGT was great. Goood to see everybody there. Not enough room or time, but fun was had. Roger (Sensei), thanks for ramrod ding the wild bunch, and to Linda D, for putting up with all the calls and changes, and still making it all come together. The “Over the Top” talk, (and trip) that George did was great. Can’t wait for his book to be available. It was great to see Joe and Ruth, and Russ and Toni even though they have graduated, they are still family. Thanks to all for the contributions, smiles, hugs, food, directions, ideas and for the good time. Sure looking forward to seeing you all on the water.

As to the SBS at Quest, now there is another story. While you all are looking and dreaming of the new bigger and better, I tried to keep my feet planted solidly in reality and was just looking for a way to add acerage to my electronics space. I spent most of my time with the vendors. Learned some new stuff:

1. I think everyone should support the Recreational Boating Association of Washington. We are paying the (HUGE) excise tax, don’t you think it should go to support boat and marine projects, (instead of general fund), or get it down to, and inline with, the general aviation tax level.
2. I think that the new “AIS WatchMate” by vespermarine Ltd. Is one of the coolest electronic adjuncts available. Dedicated and filtered AIS so only the significant, (risk targets) are displayed
3. The Standard Horizon paid attention to their consumers and came up with some answers in the new GX 2150 – works with the older C series Raymarine MFD’s.
4. The Absence of the C-Dory Factory Shouted out the whole time there. No C-Brats table, No Big C-Dory posters, no boat info cards for the C-Dory owners. There was a bit of interest from Scott and Jeff shortly before the show time but seems it didn’t last long.
5. There was a plethora of C-Brat activity. Everywhere I went there were folks who had seen another C-Dory vest, hat or Brat. I did talk to a couple of guys who seemed serious, have looked around here, and are looking to purchase. If they can’t get new, then we can help them out with some fine used stock.

Good show everybody, and great to see you. Many happy returns.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Roger SENEI Johnson and NW C-Brat Friends and Families: Man, I hate I did not make it out again this year. That is two years in a row I was not able to make it. Just some ice storms, championship football game travel and some other projects just kept me home. Know that I was there in spirit to the point one night I woke up just laughing and I have no idea why. Must have been some flashbacks of years past late night round tables. Miss yall....see yall later in the year.

Byrdman
 
Byrdman said:
"...one night I woke up just laughing and I have no idea why. Must have been some flashbacks of years past late night round tables."

Patrick Sir, It's the flashbacks, they'll get ya'll :lol: :lol: :lol:

Our round table had an empty chair, sure could have had you there to fill it.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Aurelia,

If you're looking for a low maintenance, flexible, economical 45 footer you might consider a Westcoast 46. Most of them are fancier than ours, but the simpler single engine versions come up for sale occasionally. Ours at 3 years old cost less than a new Ranger 29, has a single diesel that gets about 3 kmpg and is about as simple to maintain as is possible in the size range. The Ed Monk Jr. designed hull is quiet and efficient. There were 23 or 24 built in Mission, B.C. between 2004 and 2008.

Ours is not for sale. Pictures in the second page of our album.
Lyle
 
Lyle, You must have got a great deal on that boat. i just spent 10 min searching the web and can only find one under 400k at 365k. if you got yours for less then 150k that is outstanding. Nice looking layout from what I can see on the net. I really love the down galley layout.
 
Hi Tom,
No I didn't get it for $150,000. I said it was less than a new Ranger 29. The Ranger 29 that I saw at the boat show was $248,000 at the "boat show special" price. I think the 29 is a wonderful boat and I have great respect for the marketing and customer service they provide. I just think that you can buy a lot of boat in this market for that price or less if you look at used.

It's a funny thing about the down galley. I looked at boats for over 2 years and made a decision that Shelley wouldn't like a down galley, so I never showed her one. Our boat was the first one that she saw with that configuration and she loved it.

It would be great to meet up with you guys sometime this season. If you're thinking about living aboard you should look at a lot of boats. When I first started looking I thought I wanted a sedan with twin engines and a galley up. By the time we finished the process I wanted an aft cabin single with a down galley.
Lyle
 
oh I miss read tug 25. well it is still a great price. I found a grand banks 49 alaskan in the south sound for 150k.

we are years for living aboard unless the houseing market keeps going down, in which case we are going to end up living on the 27 in a kmart parking lot.

Susan and I would love to meet up with you two this year. give us a call when start heading this way.
 
Frankly, I think it will be next year. This year was just an opportunity missed. Even if the table is set and there is a floral centerpiece. Where is the trailer, where are the options, where is the"Boat Show Special" package price ready to cruise? Where are is the gregarious salesman out front smiling and greeting people? Most importantly, who is there writing contracts or taking deposits? I think this will all happen next year. What Scott and Jeff need to do is go over to Ranger and watch for half an hour, and then do that themselves next year. It isn't about the boat. It is about helping people see themselves having a great time in the boat.

Byrdman":2dzuja45 said:
Hi Larry. Miss the old times gone by. Maybe next year. Tell your lady I said Hey!

Byrdman
 
Pat Anderson":2wwsgxu0 said:
Frankly, I think it will be next year. This year was just an opportunity missed. Even if the table is set and there is a floral centerpiece. Where is the trailer, where are the options, where is the"Boat Show Special" package price ready to cruise? Where are is the gregarious salesman out front smiling and greeting people? Most importantly, who is there writing contracts or taking deposits? I think this will all happen next year. What Scott and Jeff need to do is go over to Ranger and watch for half an hour, and then do that themselves next year. It isn't about the boat. It is about helping people see themselves having a great time in the boat.

Byrdman":2wwsgxu0 said:
Hi Larry. Miss the old times gone by. Maybe next year. Tell your lady I said Hey!

Byrdman

Many times I have said: they are not selling just a boat, they are selling dreams and hopes. Not to sound all flowery, but without people being able to see themselves ENJOYING the boat, it's just a bunch of nicely formed fiberglass. And when a manufacturer doesn't take into account how people will use that fiberglass, they are missing the point. Ask people how they USE the galley. Ask them about the comfort of the dinette seating. Improve those items to create desire. Participate in Brat gatherings and see what these boats mean to people. SHOW potential buyers how the boat will allow them to fulfill those dreams, and it isn't "moving product" or "what the market is doing". People can buy a boat anywhere... where do they go to get their dreams fulfilled?

Frankly, the C-Dorys ARE competitive with the fancier boats, because they DO allow people to cruise economically. Show quality construction with a large selection of options (to make the boat fit the buyer's specific needs), AND point out how long they can cruise with the difference in cost between these boats and others (where buyers are standing in line to BUY). Eliminate the bored salesperson and replace them with someone who is enthusiastic about this lifestyle. A sales person who stands around complaining about business will drag that business down... they are not just useless, they are harmful. Yes, I understand that is the dealer's problem, but there is an easy remedy. (Cut out the problems.)

Damn... I said I would "sit on my hands"... it just galls me to see someone with ANY useful product shoot themselves in the foot because they know a lot about making the product and too little about how to market the product. In this marketplace, one can't "wait until next year" if the business is going to survive. My apologies to the Brats for not being able to hold my tongue (fingers). Some will think I am being critical, others will know I am pointing out the obvious. My exuberance sometimes gets the better of me, and I find it hard to stand on the sidelines and not "cheer." I would love to see "our team" be competitive and flourish.

The product is proven. The niche is there. The boat can be a "blank canvas" for the d-i-y guy, but he is likely to buy used and fix it up himself. Part of the reason for the success of other boats is the turn-key delivery: they come complete; add your food and personal items, top off the tanks, and you are ready to go. Sell the dream! Offer a complete cruising (or fishing) option. People need to be able to see themselves doing this before they will get their wallet out.

C-Dory doesn't need someone down the line who talks about "how the market will come around in 6 months"... they need someone who will stand on top of the boat and say, "Look at what this great boat will do! Escape the crazy world and go find your own private cove! This boat is a cozy hideaway that will take care of you and take you on adventures! Now, who wants to buy my boat?"

I write because I care,
Jim B.

I am committed for this summer. I am, however, applying for a temporary job with C-Dory for next year's Seattle Boat Show. I will work for commission only. 8)
 
Boat marketing is a strange thing, ain't it? I don't claim to be any sort of expert here, but Jim's comments strike me as largely valid. It's interesting to see which boat displays consistently have visitors.
 
JamesTXSD":1v3ho8is said:
Many times I have said: they are not selling just a boat, they are selling dreams and hopes.

Eliminate the bored salesperson and replace them with someone who is enthusiastic about this lifestyle. A sales person who stands around complaining about business will drag that business down... they are not just useless, they are harmful. Yes, I understand that is the dealer's problem, but there is an easy remedy. (Cut out the problems.)

The product is proven. The niche is there. The boat can be a "blank canvas" for the d-i-y guy, but he is likely to buy used and fix it up himself. Part of the reason for the success of other boats is the turn-key delivery: they come complete; add your food and personal items, top off the tanks, and you are ready to go. Sell the dream! Offer a complete cruising (or fishing) option. People need to be able to see themselves doing this before they will get their wallet out.

C-Dory doesn't need someone down the line who talks about "how the market will come around in 6 months"... they need someone who will stand on top of the boat and say, "Look at what this great boat will do! Escape the crazy world and go find your own private cove! This boat is a cozy hideaway that will take care of you and take you on adventures! Now, who wants to buy my boat?"

I write because I care,
Jim B.

I am committed for this summer. I am, however, applying for a temporary job with C-Dory for next year's Seattle Boat Show. I will work for commission only. 8)

great words of wisdom Jim
I don't think the factory will ever get that enthusiasm to sell these boats from Master Marine

I have gone into the dealer in Mount Vernon (Master Marine) several time in years past and to tell the truth, I have never felt comfortable there. I have always felt that C-Dory would be better off in another dealership. whenever I have been in there I have always tried to talk up the C-Brats and the great oppertunity they are missing out in, but they seem not to be interested.
 
When we were first shopping for a boat 3 years ago, we stopped by Master Marine and they seemed fine and let us climb in a 22 and check it out. The flakey part came when they took our contact info for an upcoming demo day and all went quiet. I called them a couple of times and it never happened and they never called me back. Lost all hope for a sale there.
 
In comparison to the Master Marine booth, the Ranger/Cutwater booth was full of factory people all wearing matching black shirts, big smiles, handshakes, and greetings. The boats had a boarding line, even on a Wed.

While the Cutwater is not my kind of boat, I heard that the 60 production slots for the year are already sold! I spoke to a 'salesman' who turned out to be from Maryland and had ordered a 26 and a 28 as stock boats for his dealership. He would have ordered more, but the factory limited him to two boats.

I fully agree that the Ranger/Cutwater folks are the ones to study/copy. They have it figured out.
 
I was speaking with the sales guy for a while and he said the 115 hp was specified by a customer for delivery who then backed out of the deal. Apparently, he said the boats had gotten a 115 rating a few years ago. Not needed that much power for sure.
 
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