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anchorout

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I wonder if there is any interest in a section of the forum with the theme, SAVING MONEY. For a long time I considered going to the hardware section of a popular marine store, as going to the jewelry store. But now, with runaway inflation upon us, selective shopping is a necessity.

For instance, I recently needed a tube of 3M 5200. A popular fishing superstore, $21.00. The giant marine store, $15.00. Lowe's Lumber and Hardware, $7.00. Same exact product.

I saw a pull/on, push/off switch at the big marine store for $19.99. The same switch at Academy Sports, $9.99.

Any interest?
 
It amazes me how many of the marine stores can have a price differences of 2 or even 3 times the amount you can find something at Amazon, Lowes, or even Fred Meyer's. I have been looking at a 20-30 gallon topside gas tank and they are twice as much at West Marine than I can get one shipped to my door from amazon.com. I know there is overhead from having a store, but I think you have to at least attempt to compete. I mean, people are not stupid......

Case in point: The Fish House (they are a good marine and fishing supply store) in Seward is incredibly competitive in price on a lot of things the charter guys use as they know that the charter guys will just buy it online and overnight it and save hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars a year. Sure the Fish House is somewhat more expensive, but the prices don't make you feel like you are being robbed. So, pretty much everyone just buys their stuff from them as it isn't that much more, you can take it back with ease, and you get it now. It's a good business model for sure.
 
Remember the days of the small shops ? Then the big box stores came along with cheaper prices because they bought in bulk from Asia. Where did the little shops go?
I agree that if the little guy has 'marked up' to high, then shop around online, but I do try and support the local business, because if you don't, you know what happens.
Earlier this year I bought a Manson anchor from the local chandlery. I could have bought it online and saved $30. But by buying local, I got to hold it feel it and easy to return if there is a problem. That had a value to me.
Last year when the C-Brat gathering came to town someone had a mechanical problem. The local chandlery ordered a new piece and the next day all was fixed. I remember the boat owner was very impressed. This service would not happen if you do not support the little guy.
My local chandlery only provides quality merchandise so it costs a little more. He will not stock cheap Asian rubbish.
Of course if you live a long way from the little guy, you may have no choice but to shop online or at a big box store.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Martin.
 
We have two small hardware stores close by, and I make it a point to go to each at least once a month to buy something. The HD and Lowes are just as close, but the smaller stores have a wonderful selection of SS screws and bolts etc at less than half the price of WM--I don't want them to go away! No real competing marine stores however.
 
I, too, try to patronize "local" stores even if the price is higher. As long as it's reasonably close, I'm happy. One of my favorite places is those racks of little cardboard "drawers" in the hardware store that have all the clips, special fasteners, and etc. They solve problems you didn't even realize you had! :D

That's not to say I never shop on sticker price, because sometimes I do. But just as often I shop on what I consider "total price" - this includes service, handiness, ease of returning/exchanging, knowledge base of the help, etc.

That said, I have my limits. I stopped in West Marine the other day to pick up some 5/16" three-strand line. I though it seemed a bit expensive, but I hadn't researched it and too, they do have a real store to support, so okay. But it stuck in my mind (and I also needed some line they did not have), so I looked it up at Fisheries Supply while I was looking for the other line (which is a central real store plus an online store), and it was almost HALF the cost. And that wasn't even hard-line Internet shopping, but just one casual check. .77 per foot at West Marine and .41 per foot at Fisheries. Since I had something to return, I did ask West to price match when I went back in (Side note: They informed me of a new-to-me policy that they will only price match with a real store that is within 50 miles of the purchase store - it used to be any real store.), but even they remarked that they couldn't understand why it would be SO much more, and they did match the Fisheries price. But... I had to do the legwork to get the more reasonable price.

I'm sorry if this is sort of de-railing the thread, but then it has turned into a bit of a discussion, which I hope is okay.

Sunbeam :hot
 
A theme that is emerging from this thread is that although we like to purchase locally, it pays to do your research in advance.

I put solar on my Airstream this year. The local dealer wanted around $2600 to install a 150 watt panel, with a 30 amp controller. I checked with other local RV dealers, and they were selling the same package, installed for around $1100 to $1200. My AS dealer was more than happy to meet local prices when I brought them to his attention.
 
I really can't stand buying online, but I can't argue that prices are better. Amazon is probably my preferred online store if I have to buy online, but I'd rather go somewhere local. for pretty much anything from books to marine hardware.

bridma":2ychk3zh said:
Remember the days of the small shops ? Then the big box stores came along with cheaper prices because they bought in bulk from Asia.
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you know what the worst part is? I see this every day in my business and the off shores produced stuff is SO much cheaper that you can throw away 25%+ of the product due to poor workmanship and still end up saving so much money that its worth the hassle of failed and rejected parts.
 
Great topic. I am big on saving where possible. As a result, the best prices are typically online. Even when factoring shipping costs and sometimes tax (WA - Amazon), it is still less expensive. Plus, sometimes is it just easier to order and have it show up at your doorstep.

That being said, I do like to support the local stores as I do appreciate their existence. There is large hardware store in Woodinville, WA called McLendons which has a great selection and very knowledgeable helpful workers. When I went there seeking advice and parts for my generator box, I needed about 50 miscellaneous pieces (hasps, various sizes of screws, nuts, bolts, washers, pipes, flanges, etc). I had one person look at my device and he helped me to select all the pieces. It took him about 15 minutes to assist me and $100 later I was on my way home. Point is, had I gone anywhere else, I might not have gotten the service that was so helpful on that visit. His help saved me time, and as people know time = $$$.

I like to reward places that offer something great to the consumer. When I find it, I try to stay loyal to them when possible and sometimes that trumps price.
 
Well, these comments really do hit home. Our local hardware store just closed this week. The whole town did everything they could to keep them open, but the shopping center owners in Florida had other ideas. It really hurts to see this store which played a significant role in making our town "a town" go away.
 
Looks to me like we are mingling two different things here. On line vs local and small vs corporate.

First online vs local. If I can get it cheaper faster and with better service I go where every that is. If it online they have earned my business if its local great. sometimes I have to hold it in my hand to know I want it and if I do I buy it where I held it unless its double the price. Then you are just being screwed and some local guys will screw you. Being local does not make you better or nicer it just makes you local. I know a locals that will steal from you and call it business.

Lets also remember that a lot of on line stores are very small local ( to where they are) family ran businesses. a friend of mine runs a embroidery shop out of her home in Sacramento. If not for the net she would not be in business. This is ran by her and which ever kid is home that day. When the local union ran shop her husband worked for cut every ones hours to part time to avoid the obama care that the union told them to vote for her business saved them, well kept them in the house for now. So just because its on line does not mean its not small and family ran.

Also that amazon online supper store employees a lot of Local people where they are located. In this case Seattle. It also employees a lot of other people that get that product to you in a timely manner. Planes and trucks at both end and all that supports them in local economies that would not exist with out online buying and free shipping. Work at Boeing? you better support online shopping because a great deal of your plane orders are cargo or replacing planes that are sold to cargo.

Small vs large- does not matter if its on line or local there are big and little business and where is that line drawn? Some one mentioned McLendons . Ok there are a Washington business but they are by no means small. they have six stores that are fairly big and employee thousands of people. Are they a Big business or a local business. or both??? some one else mentioned that the box stores are full or cheap Chinese made products. Well I have not seen a local store , hardware for a example, that does not have the same stuff for twice the price. Its not like there prices are based on the quality of the stocked items. its based of their over head and profit.

Lets also compare large box store to local small.

large_ has more products for cheaper and employees more people for the same or more money and far more benefits ( health care). Just looking at Johns sporting goods and Cabelas. I shop at both because they are both local to my home. Both have the same prices on fishing gear and some times johns is less( well he it now because he has to compete now, before he was very high on a lot of stuff) john employees 4 people, they are his family for the most part. I know past employees of his and he offered no health care and only worked them part time for the most part( nor trying to avoid anything it just that's all he needed) Store is the same size it was 30 years ago. Does not draw enough people to the store to make much of a impact on the local economy past his own sells receipts. Oh and john will tell you that his new online business has not only kept his afloat but expand his receipts if not the size of the store.

Cabelas- large store national chain. Sells everything you need out doors but not at the best prices ( or out door gear is just pricey ( or i am just cheap)) employees hundreds of people, good wage (over min to start) health care for workers and families, trains and promotes from with in. attracts people from other areas of the state and even Canada ( half the cars on the weekend are Canadians) who stay in hotels, eat at restaurants and buy a lot of gas from other local businesses , some of which are small locally owned. Give lots of money to local and national charity.

So which is better? big or small online or store? local or national?

The one that give me the best price service and honesty gets my business every time. I don't believe that local is some how better then a chain. Everyone working in that chain is living and spending that check locally.
 
starcrafttom":1kitws3q said:
Looks to me like we are mingling two different things here. On line vs local and small vs corporate.

First online vs local. If I can get it cheaper faster and with better service I go where every that is. If it online they have earned my business if its local great. sometimes I have to hold it in my hand to know I want it and if I do I buy it where I held it unless its double the price. Then you are just being screwed and some local guys will screw you. Being local does not make you better or nicer it just makes you local. I know a locals that will steal from you and call it business.

Lets also remember that a lot of on line stores are very small local ( to where they are) family ran businesses. a friend of mine runs a embroidery shop out of her home in Sacramento. If not for the net she would not be in business. This is ran by her and which ever kid is home that day. When the local union ran shop her husband worked for cut every ones hours to part time to avoid the obama care that the union told them to vote for her business saved them, well kept them in the house for now. So just because its on line does not mean its not small and family ran.

Also that amazon online supper store employees a lot of Local people where they are located. In this case Seattle. It also employees a lot of other people that get that product to you in a timely manner. Planes and trucks at both end and all that supports them in local economies that would not exist with out online buying and free shipping. Work at Boeing? you better support online shopping because a great deal of your plane orders are cargo or replacing planes that are sold to cargo.

Small vs large- does not matter if its on line or local there are big and little business and where is that line drawn? Some one mentioned McLendons . Ok there are a Washington business but they are by no means small. they have six stores that are fairly big and employee thousands of people. Are they a Big business or a local business. or both??? some one else mentioned that the box stores are full or cheap Chinese made products. Well I have not seen a local store , hardware for a example, that does not have the same stuff for twice the price. Its not like there prices are based on the quality of the stocked items. its based of their over head and profit.

Lets also compare large box store to local small.

large_ has more products for cheaper and employees more people for the same or more money and far more benefits ( health care). Just looking at Johns sporting goods and Cabelas. I shop at both because they are both local to my home. Both have the same prices on fishing gear and some times johns is less( well he it now because he has to compete now, before he was very high on a lot of stuff) john employees 4 people, they are his family for the most part. I know past employees of his and he offered no health care and only worked them part time for the most part( nor trying to avoid anything it just that's all he needed) Store is the same size it was 30 years ago. Does not draw enough people to the store to make much of a impact on the local economy past his own sells receipts. Oh and john will tell you that his new online business has not only kept his afloat but expand his receipts if not the size of the store.

Cabelas- large store national chain. Sells everything you need out doors but not at the best prices ( or out door gear is just pricey ( or i am just cheap)) employees hundreds of people, good wage (over min to start) health care for workers and families, trains and promotes from with in. attracts people from other areas of the state and even Canada ( half the cars on the weekend are Canadians) who stay in hotels, eat at restaurants and buy a lot of gas from other local businesses , some of which are small locally owned. Give lots of money to local and national charity.

So which is better? big or small online or store? local or national?

The one that give me the best price service and honesty gets my business every time. I don't believe that local is some how better then a chain. Everyone working in that chain is living and spending that check locally.
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Tom, I pretty much agree with everything you said in the post above. My view of the McLendons hardware (6 locations), is they have great service and therefore, I support them. While the prices would have been less had I shopped each part, there was definite value and time savings in having someone who is familiar with all those part and screw bins, filling up my basket with what I needed.

If I can save a buck, I typically do. Sometimes, having a local store handy is great when you need it now. When you can choose a store which serves you as a customer rather than as a $$$, I can appreciate that.
 
My favorite place to buy stainless steel hardware is my local Ace hardware in Lake Forrest Park. Ace stocks a ton of stainless hardware and it's 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the same stuff at West Marine. Also, they have a more complete stock than WM when it comes to ss hardware so it's a win all around.
 
rogerbum":3tcnchzj said:
My favorite place to buy stainless steel hardware is my local Ace hardware in Lake Forrest Park. Ace stocks a ton of stainless hardware and it's 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the same stuff at West Marine. Also, they have a more complete stock than WM when it comes to ss hardware so it's a win all around.
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+1 on the Lake Forest Park Ace.
 
starcrafttom":3ker8mm3 said:
I don't believe that local is some how better then a chain. Everyone working in that chain is living and spending that check locally.
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technically, thats not true :wink:
I wonder where the vast majority of any given city's wal-mart profits go.

I wonder where the vast majority of a local produce stands profits go. When you buy local, the majority of those profits will be cycled back into local economy because those business owners live there and spend there. (dont get me wrong, I'm a student of economics and I subscribe to Adam Smith's ideals so what is "right" and "wrong" are not what I'm establishing. at the end of the day, the consumer has to buy the most value for their money so they can afford more valuables later, and the merchant has to provide the most value or go out of business. that's how it works)

When you buy chain, what percentage of those profits go to Bentonville, Arkansas?

the union comment made me stop for a second. I thought the Unions were pro-bama.

at the end of the day each of us will buy from the place which provides the most value. a co-worker buys everything from AMZN. including his shaving razors, underwear, protein powder, etc. He hates shopping and this click click shopping is the most value to him.

I like touching the product and having a person I can talk to about it before I buy and after I buy. that's the most value for me.

some people want to have a mixture of both. everything touchable, in one store... costco and wal-mart.


I just want a good mens clothing store with a tailor on hand where I can get a great suit for under $500. :cry now that's the real casualty. Men's clothing stores.
 
The closing (now closed) hardware store I refer to above is/was an Ace also. Even in their final weeks when almost everything including shelving was gone, they still came up with a stainless cotter pin for my kicker prop. I'm going to miss that, but perhaps even more, the wonderful 'social dance': "How ya doin' Tim?", "Fine Marty, still playin' with that cute little boat?", "Yup", "What can I do for you today?"
 
I just wanted some sand shrimp this weekend..... it's "humpy-mania" going on right now in Mt Vernon. Absolute chaos at the skagit area bait shops.

Every store around is sold out, including the usual suspects like holiday sports, cabela's the Conway gas station etc.

The little mom and pop bait shop in Snohomish has a whole fridge full and at a great price. They also have all the other humpy gear that's completely sold out in the big box stores.

It's the local places with years of knowledge that can anticipate the demand. They know who their customers are, and they win my business because of it!
 
So, after it is all said, price still drives most purchases. Once, the big conglomerates, able to use economies of scale and buy wholesale so much cheaper than the "mom and pop" down the street, were able to shut down competition and rule the roost. Sometimes success goes to one's head.

Now it seems like you can get MUCH better prices elsewhere, just by shopping around. Be it the net, the hardware/lumber store, or local sporting goods store, it's up to the shopper to control prices by voting with their feet.
 
anchorout":1uu3vals said:
So, after it is all said, price still drives most purchases. Once, the big conglomerates, able to use economies of scale and buy wholesale so much cheaper than the "mom and pop" down the street, were able to shut down competition and rule the roost. Sometimes success goes to one's head.

Now it seems like you can get MUCH better prices elsewhere, just by shopping around. Be it the net, the hardware/lumber store, or local sporting goods store, it's up to the shopper to control prices by voting with their feet.
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Yes, but beware, it's often the case that once all the mom and pops shut down, those big box conglomerates raise their prices. Then you pay a high price, the profits (but not the salaries) leave the community, the pay for the workers is often less AND that customer service you liked is no longer to be found.
 
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