What VHF Do You Have Now and Why

hardee

New member
I have had 3 VHF radios on SleepyC for the last 6 years, ICOM M506, Raymarine 218, and a Standard Horizon 2150. All 3 have equal functions except for AIS recieve. The RM 218 does not have that. Each one is different and has it's own merits and minus's. The oldest one is the RM 218, which has been my favorite for being able to quickly switch to hailer/fog functions in 2 button pushes. I use the listen back feature frequently when entering a harbor. Rarely use the hailer function.

Well, the RM 218 has lost the radio receive function recently. All the other functions still work but.... it is going to be replaced. I have often said if I had to replace a radio it would be with the ICOM M-506. I love that radio for everything except one thing, it does not have a face cover for it. I like to keep everything covered when the boat is not in use, (moving - so even at the dock), so for that reason alone, I am considering other options for a replacement.

Therefore, I am interested in what VHF you are using, and what you like and/or dislike about your radio. Thank you for your input.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Harvey,

Interesting thread you've started. Looking forward to hearing replies.

Not only am I new to the c-brat community and c-dory boats, but I'm also new to VHF radio. My other boat is a 16' duroboat that I've owned for around 7 years. I didn't have any sort of radio on the duroboat, so having a VHF on our C-dory is new to me. I've done some reading on the net about using a VHF and general radio etiquette, but I still have a lot more to learn. Would you mind sharing what you use your various radios for? Channels you use? Features you really like having?

We have a basic West Marine VHF580 in our boat and I've wondered what the more advanced radios might give me.
 
The only time I use a VHf is to call for bridge openings and the rare times I stay at marinas to call for my slip assignment. Although cell phone works better for the latter use- if they answer.

So my useage is all short range and a portable hand held works fine.

I keep a portable on a charger ready to go when I need it, but not on all of the time. I have a Standard Horizon HX280S.

David
 
Harvey,
I have two fixed mount VHF's - both are Std. Horizon models. One is the 2200 with AIS and GPS the other is (I believe) a 2100 which has AIS but not it's own GPS. Each is hooked into an independent chart plotter (with the chart plotter proving the coordinates to the older radio). As to why, Std. Horizon has a good reputation for long term reliability and I wanted AIS. When I first bought, the GPS/AIS capable units were not yet out. When I got the second one, I bought with the GPS just to make life easier and in case of a plot charter/communication failure it still shows my position and the relative position of other boats on it's display.

I also have a couple of rechargeable handhelds on board and they are always fully charged when we leave the dock.
 
I have the Standard Horizon 1600. I got it mostly because at the time it was the only radio that was a lot smaller than others in its class, and a 22 cruiser does not have an overabundance of space at the helm. Standard Horizon also has a very good reputation. I could have gone for the 1700 for the built in GPS, but I have two GPS systems on the boat (0183 and 2000) and didn't see the need for a third. I just hooked into the 0183 data.

Now there are other radios in the smaller size.

I only use it to call marinas, locks, and bridges. For marinas a cell phone often works better.
 
Lowrance Link 8 fan here...with a couple caveats.

If you've a modern N2K backbone, it's a drop-dead simple install with full AIS capabilities. Power, antenna, one cable plugged into the N2K hub and everything just works. Performance is excellent, nice display, and I've found the features quite intuitive.

The other caveat - it does NOT have integrated GPS. So, if you are looking for an all-in-one AIS solution or wish to have additional GPS redundancy in your N2K network - it won't provide that.

Have one on each of my boats, one tied into a Simrad NSS evo2, the other into a Garmin 74sv. Again, plug and play on both. Price is nice too.
 
hardee":2gwmytpm said:
...I have often said if I had to replace a radio it would be with the ICOM M-506. I love that radio for everything except one thing, it does not have a face cover for it. ...SleepyC :moon

Google says a Standard Horizon cover fits the ICOM radio.

https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/foru ... ctid679630

https://www.thegpsstore.com/Standard-Ho ... P2721.aspx

I also noticed that one of the available accessories for the ICOM radio is a voice scrambler unit. Are you up to something? :wink
 
SH 2150 that I like. (Next radio will be the 2200, since it has it's own GPS). I have also used it's fog horn feature through a loudhailer I also installed. I do make calls to other boats & commercial traffic. The first for general conversation, the second for navigational arrangements. Lock masters and marinas are also hailed. My old standby I mostly use for shortrange is a SH Eclipse+. I like the scan and dual watch features on both radios. Lastly, a Uniden Handheld, mostly for coordination with other boats coming into the dock when I'm already on the dock, or to monitor traffic when I'm either on the boat with it shut down, or on the dock. Only the 2150 has DSC and AIS. I'm fine with that. Colby
 
I have owned two Standard Horizon fixed mount marine VHF radios and four of their handhelds. They have all been excellent. But, I have to say that the later versions of both handheld and fixed mount radios are even better because SH has simplified the menus for both. It’s easier now to find and use the different features. I’m sure the Icoms and others are excellent as well. But SH seems to always have the best prices.
 
This is an interesting topic. No-one mentions VHF performance but instead concentrates on peripheral features. One may assume this is where the difference in VHF radios lies.

A friend of mine, in Lummi Island, bought a high end ICOM VHF fixed mount radio, complete with AIS receive. Comparing the VHF specs with that radio with a cheap Standard Horizon radio give similar performance results:
Sensitivity
20 dB SINAD...........................................0.03 microV
20 dB SINAD (70 channel receiver)........0.03 microV
Squelch Sensivity (Threshold)................0.25 microV
Modulation Acceptance Bandwidth.......+7.5 KHz
Selectivity
Spurious and Image Rejection.................-70 dB
Intermod and Rejection @12 dB SINAD..-70db

So, buying a new VHF for improved performance is not spending your money wisely. Selecting a new VHF for it's functions other than as a radio makes sense. As does upgrading the VHF cable between the antenna and radio.

Anyway there you are.

Boris
 
I bought a Uniden UM415 for $100
http://www.uniden.info/download/ompdf/UM415om.pdf

40
English
General
Shock and Vibration
Meets or exceeds EIA standards, RS152B and
RS204C
FCC Approvals
Type accepted under part 80 of the Rules; meets Great
Lakes Agreement and party boat requirements
Transmitter
Power Output
1 watt or 25 watt (user selectable)
Power Requirement
25 watts output: 6A@13.8V DC
Modulation
±5 kHz deviation
Hum and Noise Signal-to-
Noise
45 dB@1 kHz with 3 kHz deviation with 1000 Hz
modulating frequency (nominal)
Audio Distortion
Less than 8% with 3 kHz deviation with 1000 Hz
modulating frequency
Spurious Suppression
–25 dBm @ Hi, –25 dBm @ Lo
Output Power Stabilization
Built-in automatic level control (ALC)
Frequency Range
156 to 158 MHz
Frequency Stability
±10 ppm @ –20°C to + 50°C
Receiver
Frequency Range
156 to 163 MHz
Sensitivity
0.25 μV for 12 dB SINAD (nominal)
Circuit
Dual Conversion Super Heterodyne PLL (Crystal for
DSC)
Squelch Sensitivity
0.2 μV Threshold
Spurious Response
75 dB (nominal)
Adjacent Channel Selectivity
78 dB @ ±25 kHz (nominal)
Audio Output Power
2.5 watts (10% Distortion, 8 Ω load)
Power Requirement
360 mA @ 13.8V DC at squelched, 920 mA @ 13.8V
DC at maximum audio output
IF Frequencies
1st 41.925 MHz, 2n
 
I would guess that a lot of the recreational class marine VHF radios use the same (or a limited) number of receiver electronics OEM'd by some place in China. So all the receiver specs are pretty much the same. There are also radio specs specified by marine authorities and/or FCC that must be complied with if you want that stamp of approval. This results in radio receive/xmit performance that are practically identical to all radios and are a given.

The only differentiators between radios are additional feature set, control layout, reliability, and customer service. Even the feature set is also pretty much the same between radios in the same class.

Like a lot of electronics these days, recreational boat radios are basically commodity products.
 
Brent, you are right but I am really looking for the radio choices. I just had all 3 radios checked and all three VHF antennas checked. Everything (Radio's, Connections< and Antennas), checked out in the about 90-95% group, power outputs, and SWR's except for the RM 218 VHF. (My Commrod 8 ft Glass antenna was higher than anything the marine electronics guy had tested in years, and it is only about 14 years old.)

So far, the easiest menu function is the ICOM M-506, but it does not have a face cover.

>>>From A Bayliner owners Forum:
"I installed a Icom 506 Marine VHF radio, replacing the previously installed Uniden 625C VHF radio. The Icom is really nice. I especially like the ability to recall received radio calls, up to 2 minutes worth of audio.

I wanted a weather cover for the Icom radio but they are not made. I later found the Dust Cover for the Standard Horizon Hailer also recently installed was a perfect fit for the Icom radio.

Standard Horizon dust cover (part number RA0772200) The covers were only $2 ordered direct from Standard Horizon. I ordered 3 and received them a few weeks later. This gave me spares if one was lost or damaged."

The physical size of the ICOM M-506 and the Standard horizon radios referenced are considerably different. Not sure how that would cover an M-506, but then, it is going onto a Bayliner, so maybe they are less particular than I am.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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BuildItOnce":71pnp52q said:
Harvey,

Interesting thread you've started. Looking forward to hearing replies.

Not only am I new to the c-brat community and c-dory boats, but I'm also new to VHF radio. My other boat is a 16' duroboat that I've owned for around 7 years. I didn't have any sort of radio on the duroboat, so having a VHF on our C-dory is new to me. I've done some reading on the net about using a VHF and general radio etiquette, but I still have a lot more to learn. Would you mind sharing what you use your various radios for? Channels you use? Features you really like having?

We have a basic West Marine VHF580 in our boat and I've wondered what the more advanced radios might give me.

The VHF radio is the primary communication device for a marine vessel in Inland, Coastal or near Coastal waters. It produces a line of sight transmission signal and they generally have 2 power (wattage) settings (1 and 25 or Low and High). The channels have designated uses prescribed by FCC regulation, and there are common channels for various uses sometimes set up by regional practice. Some use channels are:
16 - Emergency, Coast Guard and primary calling channel for establishing connection then moving to another working channel
9 - is also a primary contacting channel though not used as often in my area.
5, 11, 14 - are Vessel traffic (like air traffic control) for commercial boat traffic.
13 - Bridge to Bridge (or captain to captain - not boat to railroad bridge)
22 - Non Emergency use for US Coast Guard
28 - For automated radio checks in some areas
70 - For DSC calling only, then the call is shifted to a second channel of the callers choice
There are lots of others but these are the ones I use in the US. There are some different ones in Canada.
7 - Whale watch service in Canada
11 - Victoria Traffic
71 - Prince Rupert traffic controls Vancouver Island west side and north of Campbell River
82 - For Non emergent contact with Canada Coast Guard

I have on board an active AIS transponder. In crossing the Strait of Juan de Fuca I frequently talk to commercial traffic (anything from the Victoria Clippers - 80 feet and running at 30 knots to 800 or 900 foot ships running at 16 to 25 knots) and when the AIS shows that I will be anywhere with in a mile of those vessels I prefer to confirm their intention to maintain course and speed so that I can adjust mine to get that 1 mile clearance. These arrangements are done via VHF. Most big ships do not monitor 16, and frequently do not have 13 up either so I contact them on the Vessel Traffic channel, and ask to move to 13, where I confirm their intentions.

There are times that I want to know current conditions in an area I am looking to go to or through. If I cannot find a vessel on the AIS, I will call the Vessel Traffic Control and ask if they have someone in that area that I can contact. I try to do that in an unbusy time for them as it is not their job requirement but a courtesy to me. Sometimes I can here them talk to the other vessel, some times they have to relay, and sometimes they will give me the vessel name so I can contact directly.

I have 3 VHF radios on board an all 3 are on always and set at 16, local VTS channel, and depending on where I am, 13 or maybe if I am traveling with someone, it will be on another little used channel so we can talk frequently and freely without bothering anyone. That radio will be set at 1 watt.

I also use on of the radios for a hailer. Mostly I use it in the listen function when entering a marina or coming to a dock. I can hear if someone is trying to tell me I should go to the other side or what ever. All of my radios have hailer/fog function and I use the auto fog horn several times a year.

I would not consider a VHF that does not have an AIS receive function in this day and age. It is so easy to get so much information that can make your life so much more comfortable.

The ICOM M-5-6 has a last call, 2 minute recording feature. I use that radio for monitoring 16 almost exclusively.

There are lots of discussions on this site about VHF use, and there are Utube videos about proper use. (Go to BoatUS.com for starters.)

Just in the last 2 trips I have been on I have seen very significant lack of proper use: Not having the radio on; Having it on and not turned up to be able to hear; Not calling "Securitay" when appropriate; Not responding to a "Securitay" call, even not having a radio on board, or having a working radio.

Personally, that really gets my ire up, because anyone of those MISS actions could cause an accident, property loss, injury or loss of life. Any one of us that can afford a boat, and are smart enough to get it off a trailer should also be smart enough and intelligent enough to learn to use and properly us a VHF. It could save a life, maybe even your own. It should also be part of the boat introduction to visitors or family that are along for the ride. It might be your life they are saving.

[ OK now, I will get down off my high horse. ] I know that there are people out there who want to take their boat and get away from it all, to not be involved and to hide in plain sight. I can appreciate that, but there is also a mariners creed and like the rule here says, "Let's just be nice."

Hope that helps some.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Still looking for a good, reliable, easy menu, VHF with:
1. 25 watt or greater loud hailer / auto fog.
2. AIS receive.
3. About the size of the Standard Horizon 2200

I am durrently looking at a SH GX2200 or an ICOM IC-M424 as possibilities.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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