Water intrusion on 2005 22' cruiser

Brats,
Thanks for the information to date, I have e-mailed the factory but have not had a reply as of yet. Just an update, I recently went to the boat and removed two plus gallons from the porta-pot area. the porta-pot is not the problem as it was not in the area at the time, the possibility of rain water is out because the boat is completely under a covered garage and there is no fresh water in the tank. This is saltwater that has entered the hull from some outside source. I wonder if it could be from the raw water wash-down pick up that goes thru the hull at the rear of the boat? Is there a double hull or void space at this location? I see no standing water in the area by the drain but if there is a double hull at this area the water then could travel to the bow and be released thru the grommet as this is the only release point that I can find.

I'll keep you posted and thanks for the information so far.

Dan.
 
Barry,
My '04 has the same set up as yours with the bilge pump in the same location.

However, the water in the bow (under the inspection port ie: beneath where the porta potti goes) is a different issue. It is water that is held in the foam under the v-berth until it starts leaking upwards through the edges of the inspection port and probably only becomes visible after the foam becomes so saturated that if will no longer hold the water. The entry point of this water is through the space between the outside hull and the anchor locker. Water either gains entry in this space through the outside "clam" or if your anchor locker gained enough water from the retreival of a saturated anchor rode.

(The bilge pump you are referring to catches it's water from the cockpit. After all trips I inspect it and if there is any water in it, I sponge out what the bilge pump does not remove so as to keep moisture down in the boats interior).

Most likely anyone who has a vessel that has that "space" between the hull and anchor locker, has water intrusion under the v-berth......it just hasn't escaped through the inspection port yet as it has a fairly tight seal. Once the inspection port is removed and some of the foam is removed you'll see standing water!
 
Dan McNally":pdv6bsbd said:
Brats,
Just an update, I recently went to the boat and removed two plus gallons from the porta-pot area. the porta-pot is not the problem as it was not in the area at the time, the possibility of rain water is out because the boat is completely under a covered garage
Dan.
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Hi Dan,
My vessel is stored in a completely enclosed shop also. (FYI I don't have a raw or fresh water washdown and no screwed on stem guard). I'd bet YOUR paycheck that your water problem is as I stated above. Of the two...saturated anchor rode or sea water coming in through the outside clam I'll wager YOUR paycheck that mine is from the outside clam, as I rarely deploy my anchor.

Please note.....(since I have to get my daughter through college) I'm not putting my paycheck :roll: into the mix so its' all on yours.... :lol:

On the last cruise that I made, I noticed a slight bit of water in the walkway of the cabin under my carpet. Today I removed the porta potti and when I pressed down on the inspection port I squeezed a bit of water past the port's seal. I then pried the port off and saw a slight bit of water on the foam. (It is packed with foam!) I scraped the foam out in a neat circle beneath the opening down to the hull. I then had standing water. I initally vacuumed out some water. Now every hour for the past 4 hours I've gone out to the boat and utilizing a 50 cc syringe, I've sucked more water out as the foam gradually releases the water. I feel certain that my "fix" with the oxygen supply tubing that I earlier described will solve the problem of further water intrusion.

Additionally, please note that the water that got in has been over a period of 3 years, so it is obviously not a major/sudden intrusion. Most likely every time that I've gone out and hit a few waves enough to dip the "clam shell" under water, the boat has ingested a small bit of water with each immersion.
 
Since I started this "project" this afternoon, the water impregnated foam has been "giving up" about 60 to 90 cc's of water each hour.

With water weighing in at 8.345 lbs. per gallon, if this keeps up, I'll soon be able to pick up the front end of the boat without having to eat my spinach :wink
 
In my 2004 22 Cruiser I have a bulkhead fitting that is to the right of the cabin door just below the floorboards. It is a plastic fitting with an O ring seal that threads into the female portion of the fitting.

The only time I ever had water in the cabin is when this fitting loosened up a little. Now I check it every so often to make sure it is tight.

I did not know it was there until one day I noticed some water on the cabin floor. I called my dealer (Cutter Marine) and they knew what it was right away.
 
I've got one of those too but don't have the plug. I get water in the cabin every time it rains. The only bilge pump on a '94 is at the transom between the gas tanks. I usually keep my bimini up to help or put the cockpit cover over the whole shebang. I need one of those plugs!!

Charlie
 
My "plastic" fitting leaked around the mounting flange and through the mounting screws that penetrated the bulkhead wall. Took several tries to figure out it wasn't just a loose plug.
 
Alana Kai":2my4jf6j said:
In my 2004 22 Cruiser I have a bulkhead fitting that is to the right of the cabin door just below the floorboards. It is a plastic fitting with an O ring seal that threads into the female portion of the fitting.

The only time I ever had water in the cabin is when this fitting loosened up a little. Now I check it every so often to make sure it is tight.

I did not know it was there until one day I noticed some water on the cabin floor. I called my dealer (Cutter Marine) and they knew what it was right away.
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Thanks for the tip. :thup We've had water on the cabin floor from time to time and I didn't know where to start to look. Maybe this is the answer! :smile
 
Just an up-date, as of yet no contact from the factory. I e-mailed them again and pointed out that as a consumer I had expectations and to have no response in a weeks time I felt was below my expectations. I hope this is not going to be a battle. You may question why I do not just call them on the phone, well the simple answer is I work long hours and I am far from a phone. To get a hold of the factory by phone would be great but so far I can not get them to e-mail me, or leave a message on my answering machine.

Regards,

Dan
 
One week ago today, I started this project and I'm STILL extracting water with a syringe from the inspection port. That foam doesn't give up that water at any "breakneck" speed!

So far, I've extracted two and a half gallons of water!
 
Dave S,
Went to the boat today and reamed out the foam at the inspection port, then I extracted two and one half gallons of saltwater from under the vee-berth area. I then went on a search for the hole at the clamshell and hull an anchor rode area, I pulled the clamshell for a better look and surprise surprise no sealed passageway. There was a neat hole from the rode to the exterior of the hull with a gap. I inserted the tube you sent me and caulked it in place, hopefully this will take care of the water problem.

Thanks again for the information and the tube.

Dan McNally.
 
Dan,
Quite frankly, (not good for you, but good for me), I'm glad to "hear" that you have experienced the same problem, so that reinforces my determination that the entry point of the water is at that location. I still extract about 10 cc's of water from that inspection port several times a day. (I'm sure getting additional excercise climbing in and out of "Sea Shift" for this seemingly never-ending adventure).

Not sure how many gallons of water I've extracted so far, but I'm guessing 6 gallons....(I quit keeping track of it).
 
Dan,
I still extract about 10 cc's of water from that inspection port several times a day. (I'm sure getting additional excercise climbing in and out of "Sea Shift" for this seemingly never-ending adventure).

Not sure how many gallons of water I've extracted so far, but I'm guessing 4 gallons....(I quit keeping track of it).

I'm still hoping that others will check their inspection ports as well and report on this thread "yeah" or "nay" on the water accumulation.
 
Fishtales had some unacceptable water in the v-berth. Mike-Sealife posted about the brass stem guard. The inspection port was installed at the factory.
After fixing the leaks at the stem guard, I continued to notice water in the v-berth.
I checked the anchor locker and found that the locker drain was 1" above the bottom of the locker. Water would enter from the drain and set in the unfinished locker- giving it time to leak down into the v-berth.
I raised the floor of the locker and sealed the whole locker with a coating of resin.

When I ordered the new boat last month, I pointedly told them "No holes in the anchor locker" and that they are to finish the inside of the locker with a smooth coat of resin.

To remove the water from the v-berth, I cut out the foam at the inspection port down to the hull and used a wet/dry vacuum to suck the water. Yes- it was slow.
After removing as much as I could with the vacuum, I borrowed a commercial dehumidifer from a contractor and placed it in the cabin with the line running out the door, and taped the door closed, for three days.
The v-berth stayed dry after this.
 
As Seawolf ( and others) said ,the tube that drains the anchor locker must be sealed on both ends. I had the same problem 4 months ago on my 2000 CD22 and it was indeed coming from clamshell opening and into the hull because the tube had become dislodged. I simply replaced the tube and sealed it with 3M 4200 and all intrusion has stopped.

To remove the water trapped in the hull, I raised the bow as high as possible on the trailer and applied positive air pressure at the opening covered by the clamshell. I temporarily plugged the hole in the anchor locker side while blowing most of the water out. It took about a week for all of the water to completely drain out.

I hope this helps,
Richard
 
I don't have water issues that I know. I need a little guidance following this thread as it seems my boat has parts that I'm unaware of. :embarrased

What and where is the clamshell and inspection port (suppose I should be inspecting something)?
 
Flapbreaker,
The clamshell is a stainless cover on the port side bow just above the water line, the inspection port is in the vee-berth under the porti potty. Remove the gourmet from the floor and press on the foam, if it is wet the water will come to the top with finger pressure. It sounds like not all boats have this problem, this could be that not every boat has the clam shell or that this when installed at the factory was done correctly with a tube to carry the water to the clam shell for release to outside without it getting trapped on the interior, or allowing water to enter from the exterior and get trapped.

I was astounded by the amount of replies to this post in such a short amount of time. I will test this fix next weekend after I make sure I have all the water out of the interior. I will keep the c-dories updated as to my success or failures with this problem.
 
Flapbreaker-

Does your "Classic" CD-22 have an anchor locker in the bow? I'm not sure the "Classics" had bow lockers, unless they were added by owners. You won't have a clamshell unless you have an anchor locker and a drain tube that connects it with the outside of the hull.

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The clamshell is a half round fitting on the outside of the boat's bow where a small tube leads from the anchor locker to the outside of the hull. The roundish clamshell protects the opening from taking on water while underway in heavy seas and stops that water to get into the anchor locker from the outside.

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The third item, the inspection port, is just forward of where the Portapotti sets at the back of the v-berth. It's in the bulkhead of the flotation chamber that makes up the v-berth. My '87 Cruiser doesn't have an inspection port, though the flotation chamber is configured like all the rest of the '87 and later cruisers. Your "Classic' may well not have one either.

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Inspection Ports.

Cheers!

Joe. :teeth
 
We had a similar problem on a Seaswirl. They issued a recall and fixed the problem free. Great customer relations, and a fine little inexpensive boat.
 
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