USCG Announces New Engine Cut Off Switch Law
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I didn't see it in the Quimby's article, but the USCG site linked from that article indicates:
Q11. Are there exemptions to the Engine Cut-Off Switch law?
A11. The laws are only applicable to recreational vessels, so they do not apply to law enforcement vessels or other government-owned vessels. There are two exemptions for recreational vessels. The first is there is no requirement to wear the Engine Cut-Off Switch Link if either the main helm of the covered vessel is installed within an enclosed cabin, or if the vessel does not have an engine cut-off switch and is not required to have one.
Les
Q11. Are there exemptions to the Engine Cut-Off Switch law?
A11. The laws are only applicable to recreational vessels, so they do not apply to law enforcement vessels or other government-owned vessels. There are two exemptions for recreational vessels. The first is there is no requirement to wear the Engine Cut-Off Switch Link if either the main helm of the covered vessel is installed within an enclosed cabin, or if the vessel does not have an engine cut-off switch and is not required to have one.
Les
smckean (Tosca)
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I read the following in the article:
"Using the ECOSL is not required when the main helm is installed within an enclosed cabin."
"Using the ECOSL is not required when the main helm is installed within an enclosed cabin."
starcrafttom
Active member
Its also not required if you are trolling. It does not say trolling but it does say under a certain speed. And its only for boats under 26ft.. yap the 27 ft cdory wins again
starcrafttom
Active member
if your not on plane you should be fishing.... why else would you slow down LOL
For those that enjoy reading gov't verbiage:
https://coastguardnews.com/coast-gu...ng-use-of-engine-cut-off-switches/2021/03/10/
Our dinghy never gets on a plane, so it's exempt too. :lol:
https://coastguardnews.com/coast-gu...ng-use-of-engine-cut-off-switches/2021/03/10/
Our dinghy never gets on a plane, so it's exempt too. :lol:
srbaum
Member
Just a piece of trivia...
I have a 26, as stated on my title and my registration. The factory spec says the boat is 25'9". This messes with the regs a little bit depending on how you read rules. The rule on the cut-off switch says less than 26' (though we already know that we are exempt, because we have a closed cabin to operate the boat from). The law also requires two of the smaller B1 or one B2 fire extinguishers, for 26 and above. Also an oil pollution placard and a garbage placard are required for 26 and above. This gives the 26 (Cape Cruise/Venture owners an opportunity to mess with the law enforcement boarding officers a bit.
This came to mind last year when I was boarded by the USCG, as I know how long the boat is, so it is easy to dispute, by showing them the manufactures data and also have them validate the length with a tape measure.
Did you know that the maritime industry messes with this very law of less than 26 feet on a daily basis? Take a look at the small (high horsepower tugs used for most maritime construction jobs. Even though these little guys can push a regular size, loaded barge, they do not require the operator to have a Captain's license, allowing the company to operate the tug, without paying the operator tug captain pay, or meeting other requirements of a larger tug.
Full disclosure, I was a USCG Boarding Officer and was once in group of the CG that taught citizens, State marine police, Federal marine police and USCG members the boating safety regulations.
I have a 26, as stated on my title and my registration. The factory spec says the boat is 25'9". This messes with the regs a little bit depending on how you read rules. The rule on the cut-off switch says less than 26' (though we already know that we are exempt, because we have a closed cabin to operate the boat from). The law also requires two of the smaller B1 or one B2 fire extinguishers, for 26 and above. Also an oil pollution placard and a garbage placard are required for 26 and above. This gives the 26 (Cape Cruise/Venture owners an opportunity to mess with the law enforcement boarding officers a bit.
This came to mind last year when I was boarded by the USCG, as I know how long the boat is, so it is easy to dispute, by showing them the manufactures data and also have them validate the length with a tape measure.
Did you know that the maritime industry messes with this very law of less than 26 feet on a daily basis? Take a look at the small (high horsepower tugs used for most maritime construction jobs. Even though these little guys can push a regular size, loaded barge, they do not require the operator to have a Captain's license, allowing the company to operate the tug, without paying the operator tug captain pay, or meeting other requirements of a larger tug.
Full disclosure, I was a USCG Boarding Officer and was once in group of the CG that taught citizens, State marine police, Federal marine police and USCG members the boating safety regulations.
srbaum
Member
Just a piece of trivia...
I have a 26, as stated on my title and my registration. The factory spec says the boat is 25'9". This messes with the regs a little bit depending on how you read rules. The rule on the cut-off switch says less than 26' (though we already know that we are exempt, because we have a closed cabin to operate the boat from). The law also requires two of the smaller B1 or one B2 fire extinguishers, for 26 and above. Also an oil pollution placard and a garbage placard are required for 26 and above. This gives the 26 (Cape Cruise/Venture owners an opportunity to mess with the law enforcement boarding officers a bit.
This came to mind last year when I was boarded by the USCG, as I know how long the boat is, so it is easy to dispute, by showing them the manufactures data and also have them validate the length with a tape measure.
Did you know that the maritime industry messes with this very law of less than 26 feet on a daily basis? Take a look at the small (high horsepower tugs used for most maritime construction jobs. Even though these little guys can push a regular size, loaded barge, they do not require the operator to have a Captain's license, allowing the company to operate the tug, without paying the operator tug captain pay, or meeting other requirements of a larger tug.
Full disclosure, I was a USCG Boarding Officer and was once in group of the CG that taught citizens, State marine police, Federal marine police and USCG members the boating safety regulations.
I have a 26, as stated on my title and my registration. The factory spec says the boat is 25'9". This messes with the regs a little bit depending on how you read rules. The rule on the cut-off switch says less than 26' (though we already know that we are exempt, because we have a closed cabin to operate the boat from). The law also requires two of the smaller B1 or one B2 fire extinguishers, for 26 and above. Also an oil pollution placard and a garbage placard are required for 26 and above. This gives the 26 (Cape Cruise/Venture owners an opportunity to mess with the law enforcement boarding officers a bit.
This came to mind last year when I was boarded by the USCG, as I know how long the boat is, so it is easy to dispute, by showing them the manufactures data and also have them validate the length with a tape measure.
Did you know that the maritime industry messes with this very law of less than 26 feet on a daily basis? Take a look at the small (high horsepower tugs used for most maritime construction jobs. Even though these little guys can push a regular size, loaded barge, they do not require the operator to have a Captain's license, allowing the company to operate the tug, without paying the operator tug captain pay, or meeting other requirements of a larger tug.
Full disclosure, I was a USCG Boarding Officer and was once in group of the CG that taught citizens, State marine police, Federal marine police and USCG members the boating safety regulations.
I have never figured out why some folks want to avoid complying with requirements that are there for their own safety -- ie, seatbelts in cars, helmets on motorcycles and pfds on boats. OH well, some just like to be contrary, or get by, or what ever. Maybe they have never been upclose and personal with what happens when things come unglued, go south or hit the fan, (depending on your preference).
This might be a good place to plug one of my favorite safety devices on board, the MOB+ by Fell Marine.
https://buy.fellmarine.com/collections/ ... ard-system
Yes it is a pain to install, and it does take a few seconds to put the device on when You get on the boat, but it works and could be a lifesaver if you ever have an unplanned "unboarding" party.
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
This might be a good place to plug one of my favorite safety devices on board, the MOB+ by Fell Marine.
https://buy.fellmarine.com/collections/ ... ard-system
Yes it is a pain to install, and it does take a few seconds to put the device on when You get on the boat, but it works and could be a lifesaver if you ever have an unplanned "unboarding" party.
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
starcrafttom
Active member
Or maybe we are adults that can make their own decisions and live with the consequences. Not really any bodies else's business.
at 27 ft I have all that already but I am except from this new silliness.[/url]
starcrafttom
Active member
would it? I mean that makes since but I dont think thats how it reads. I am only out back when trolling so it doe snot apply if not on step. Really just a silly set of rules that are not going to be enforced anyhow. But I can bet that the Everett " marine unit" also know as the " revenue providing unit" will be out in force at the dock and in the channel harassing's people this spring. I love cops but I hate when they are used by others to soley provide money when there are other concerns on going.
starcrafttom":31hd9zft said:
That would be great if the only person that was ever affected was the person making the decision.
Suppose you have a parent that decides not to wear a helmet and dies from a head injury because of not wearing a helmet while riding a motor cycle and orphans a child. What happens to the child?
Or suppose there is no helmet law and someone gets a head injury riding a motorcycle and is disabled. Sure as **it there'd be a lawsuit against someone about why there was no law requiring head protection when operating motorcycles.
Adults in America don't take responsibility for their decisions. If they go right, it's all "Hey, look how great I am!" If the decision goes wrong it's all "Hey, it's not my fault. I'm goin' sue!"
As soon as your personal decisions can affect me, they are no longer your personal decisions.
starcrafttom
Active member
not going to rehash this here but your just plan wrong. Me not wearing a helmet seat belt etc is my business not the governments. I do think its a good idea. If we followed your lack of logic we would not be allowed out of our homes. people die with seat belt on every day. Why are they allowed to drive? why are they allowed to travel? because we still live in a free country. Your real problem is with law suits then I would suggest that you turn your attention to Legal reform and tort reform. Why is some one not wearing a seat belt, helmet ,. ordering hot coffee, climbing over the fence at the zoo even allowed to sue???
Most countries do not allow them too. I grew up long before any seat belt, helmet, riding in back of trucks, or other baby sitting laws were passed and guess what? we did just fine. How about you worry about you and I will worry about me. I do not effect your life not having a safety lanyard. And If in the event I do I should pay for all cost and damages to YOU. Not be fined for a non event that effected no one. have a nice day.
Most countries do not allow them too. I grew up long before any seat belt, helmet, riding in back of trucks, or other baby sitting laws were passed and guess what? we did just fine. How about you worry about you and I will worry about me. I do not effect your life not having a safety lanyard. And If in the event I do I should pay for all cost and damages to YOU. Not be fined for a non event that effected no one. have a nice day.
smckean (Tosca)
New member
So Tom, if a young man whose only family is a destitute single mother in Appalachia rides down the highway on his motorcycle without a helmet, and he flips the bike giving himself a head injury such that he becomes a vegetable requiring life long institutional care at the public expense......his actions haven't affected you and me??
Robert H. Wilkinson
New member
In 2011 I was doing a wot run in my Stingray. At 53mph I lost steering and went into a full lock turn to starboard. I was not wearing my lanyard. I considered myself VERY lucky that my hand was on the throttle and I was able to pull it off before being violently thrown across the boat by the g force of the turn. Do I wear it now? Do bears shit in the woods?
Retired now(yaaa!) after working 47 years in the collision business. Can you make everything right with people your actions have hurt? This is one accident that happened in my neck of the woods about 5 years ago - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/to ... e26581709/
The vehicle Mr. Muzzo was driving killed 3 children and their grandfather. Mr. Muzzo's estate is listed at 1.7 billion - #52 of the 100 most wealthy Canadians. He has also spent the last 5 years in jail. Has his apology and 5 years repaid the woman who lost her 3 children and father because of his actions?
Guess what I'm trying to say is - our freedoms are not a license to do whatever we want because our actions can and do affect the lives of those around us and we cannot always undo those effects no matter how good our intentions or how deep our pocketbook.
Regards,
Rob
Retired now(yaaa!) after working 47 years in the collision business. Can you make everything right with people your actions have hurt? This is one accident that happened in my neck of the woods about 5 years ago - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/to ... e26581709/
The vehicle Mr. Muzzo was driving killed 3 children and their grandfather. Mr. Muzzo's estate is listed at 1.7 billion - #52 of the 100 most wealthy Canadians. He has also spent the last 5 years in jail. Has his apology and 5 years repaid the woman who lost her 3 children and father because of his actions?
Guess what I'm trying to say is - our freedoms are not a license to do whatever we want because our actions can and do affect the lives of those around us and we cannot always undo those effects no matter how good our intentions or how deep our pocketbook.
Regards,
Rob
starcrafttom
Active member
oh my god the " what it " platoon is out in force.
So I can play to, and this is my last post as I do not want to hi jack this post. so you get in your car and like a dumb ass you run a red light. despite your seat belt helmet and air bags you still end up with a head injury. How are you any different then the guy on bike with no helmet??? You should not have left the house. zyou should be limitied to a state owned bus. Hell you should be forced to walk and only with permission. So the only question is where do you draw the line on my freedom? You all own boats you have no need to own and are burning gas that you have no need to burn and pollute my air and warm my planet. You only have a desire to have a boat made of oil ( fiberglass ) . You only have a desire to go boating , You have no need other then your freedom.
So the answers to your question is easy. Have insurance or die from lack of care. I do not, even thru the force of the government, have a responsibility to take care of you. But we do take care of people and we ALL pay taxes to do so. And just remember that you are more then likely to DIE with out a helmet then with one and be a vegetable. So non helmet wearers are really saving us money.
But The real question should be what is the purpose of speeding laws, seat belt laws , helmet laws, tether laws, etc safety laws that are supposedly to protect us from us?? It revenue generation. Hey if I speed an it CAUSES an accident then charge me with being responsible for the wreck with heavy fines and or jail. but until then its none of your business. If I don't have a helmet on and I wreck and suffer a head wound then that is between me and my insurance company. which can charge me a higher premium if they wish, just as they do if you have speeding tickets. The government should have no responsibility to protect me from me. Only to protect me from you directly.
So I can play to, and this is my last post as I do not want to hi jack this post. so you get in your car and like a dumb ass you run a red light. despite your seat belt helmet and air bags you still end up with a head injury. How are you any different then the guy on bike with no helmet??? You should not have left the house. zyou should be limitied to a state owned bus. Hell you should be forced to walk and only with permission. So the only question is where do you draw the line on my freedom? You all own boats you have no need to own and are burning gas that you have no need to burn and pollute my air and warm my planet. You only have a desire to have a boat made of oil ( fiberglass ) . You only have a desire to go boating , You have no need other then your freedom.
So the answers to your question is easy. Have insurance or die from lack of care. I do not, even thru the force of the government, have a responsibility to take care of you. But we do take care of people and we ALL pay taxes to do so. And just remember that you are more then likely to DIE with out a helmet then with one and be a vegetable. So non helmet wearers are really saving us money.
But The real question should be what is the purpose of speeding laws, seat belt laws , helmet laws, tether laws, etc safety laws that are supposedly to protect us from us?? It revenue generation. Hey if I speed an it CAUSES an accident then charge me with being responsible for the wreck with heavy fines and or jail. but until then its none of your business. If I don't have a helmet on and I wreck and suffer a head wound then that is between me and my insurance company. which can charge me a higher premium if they wish, just as they do if you have speeding tickets. The government should have no responsibility to protect me from me. Only to protect me from you directly.
starcrafttom
Active member
Add a 3 legged dog and pick up and you got a country song
smckean (Tosca)
New member
I hesitate to post this, but I can't resist. It too will be my last post along these lines in this thread since we are hi jacking it......
Tom, I have to congratulate you...you are a true libertarian! I'd be one too if I thought it works, but it doesn't (I'll PM you on this.)
Tom, I have to congratulate you...you are a true libertarian! I'd be one too if I thought it works, but it doesn't (I'll PM you on this.)
Since you are so committed to the "I do not...have a responsibility to take care of you" principle, I presume in your perfect world there would be zero (or near zero) driving regulations: no speed limits, no stop signs, no school zones, no rights of way generally. Do you really want to drive in that world?
OK. So how does my 13 year old daughter get her left leg back after you and your speeding car run a stop sign and crash into the passenger side of my car where she is sitting? Even if we do put you in jail and take big money from you, is there a settlement big enough that my daughter would consider trading her left leg for that cash?