Thoughts on extra fuel storage

You won't be disappointed with a shaker siphon. They work great and are cheap.
I use it with one of the blue 15 gal poly drums here Jay:
http://unitechofalaska.com/store/page37.html

For me the 15gal plastic drum is easier to deal with than several smaller cans. I strap it to the rail next to the cockpit step. It has a small footprint and doesn't affect the boat's ride noticeably. When it's empty I strap it up in the dinghy.
 
Gasoline is about 6 pounds per gallon making the 15 gal drum under 100 lbs. I can lift it myself onto a 5 gallon bucket. Then I siphon it from there into the main tank. To secure it I put the drum on a small towel to increase friction between drum and deck, then use a ratchet strap to the rail. It doesn't move, I've been in some rough weather with it.
The drum is not vented. We have cool weather here so I don't worry about expansion too much. I probably leave about 2 gal space for expansion. The drum is pretty rigid and handles pressure well. It doesn't take long to run through 13 gal with the distances we travel here so the drum is usually emptied by the next morning. It's pretty easy to crack the seal and let pressure out if needed. Your link appears to be the same drum. I notice it says not for fuel. My dealer said it was, I just needed to change the seals out with seals safe for fuel.
 
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BrentB":2bbjuoai said:
As of January of 2009, all new portable fuel containers in the US must meet new Mobile Source Air Toxic regulations based on the California Air Resources Board’s (CARB) regulations, and they must meet the requirements of the Children’t Gasoline Burn Prevention Act.
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I've no idea what loophole is being exploited, but I'm glad one seems to exist.

I use these for all my portable fuel containers. They are more stable than jerry cans, easily secured given their shape, and pour better than anything out there without spilling a drop. Standard gear for motorcycle folks.

There are a few brands, they go on sale routinely.

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Where can I find information on EPA approved gas cans or fuel containers?

Regulations changing the design of portable fuel containers were issued as part of EPA's rule to reduce air toxics from mobile sources (vehicles, engines and fuels). Mobile source air toxics are compounds emitted from highway vehicles and non-road equipment which are known or suspected to cause cancer or other serious health and environmental effects.

Information on the mobile source air toxic , which effects gas cans, as well as diesel and kerosene containers can be found here: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/toxics.htm.

You may also be interested in this document which examines design factors that may contribute to portable fuel can emissions: Estimating Emissions Associated with Portable Fuel Containers (PFCs) (PDF) http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDe ... -0036-1133 (30 pp, 628K, EPA420-R-07-001, February 2007) (About PDF)

The regulatory announcement, Control of Hazardous Air Pollutants from Mobile Sources: Final Rule to Reduce Mobile Source Air Toxics is available here (PDF): http://www.epa.gov/OMS/regs/toxics/420f07017.pdf (5 pp, 143K, EPA420-F-07-017, February 2007) (About PDF)

The updated regulatory announcement, Control of Hazardous Air Pollutants from Mobile Sources: Early Credit Technology Requirement Revision is available here (PDF): http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/toxics/420f08030.pdf (3 pp, 124K, EPA 420-F-08-030, October 2008) (About PDF)


If you have further comments or questions, please contact EPA's Office of Transportation and Air Quality at: http://epa.gov/otaq/oms-cmt.htm

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I have used the rotopax in some terrible conditions for motorcycling and would surely trust them not to fail. They are very thick walled and flat with many attachment options. They also make them for water and gear storage. They are relativly low capacity but have mounts that are very secure and can be stacked up to three deep with spacers on the mounts. Or just banked together and strapped like this,

http://www.gowesty.com/images/ec/produc ... 2b3cd1.jpg

Their photo page

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rotopax

I have ordered from this site which has quite a range of tanks.

http://www.justgastanks.com/

Examples:

plastic jerry can type minus the corrosion
http://justgastanks.com/product_info.ph ... ts_id=1833

they do have some bladders but they are pricey (53 gallon for $600)
http://justgastanks.com/index.php?cPath=413_420

Motorcycle type
http://justgastanks.com/product_info.ph ... ts_id=1322
 
My 1999 22' CD has 2 18 gal tanks. I leveled them side to side with shims to allow more useable fuel to be delivered to the outboard pick-up tubes. This then allowed me room to install a third tank between the 2 original tanks; a 12 gal tank. I ran fuel line, teed into the main fuel line after the 2-tank selector valve, which also has an off position. The new fuel line has it's own on/off valve. This allows me to select one of any of the 3 tanks, now totaling 48 gal. The new tank is strapped down and can be moved out if I need to access the bilge pump, now blocked by the new tank.
 
I have a fishing buddy who has been using these 6 gallon water jugs for gas the last couple years, most every trip he takes a few along. Thinking of switching over, I'll write gas on the side so no one takes a drink. :D. He puts in 5.5 gallons of gas so there is a .5 gallon air space for expansion. Hay, the color matches my boat trim way better then the ugly red jugs. :thup
 
I built an electric pump to get the gas out of the Gerry cans. It prevents spilling and also I broke one of the gas cap chains putting the nozzle into the filling hole and then had a pain of a time replacing the chain. This is not the cheapest option, but you buy an external electric car fuel pump with filter, and then connect whatever length of gas house your need to the siphon and output end. You then add extra wiring to get the length you want and terminate the wiring with a 12 volt cigarette type jack. The speed of transfer depends on the fuel pump you buy. Mine is about 1 gallon a minute. I also attach a quick snap connector at the siphon or output end. I have two extra connectors in my Fuel separator and connect to them. One, if I want to pump the tanks dry at the end of the season, the other if I want to pump directly into a tank. I also use this pump to get fuel out of my other outboard fuel containers and to pump fuel into my ATV. I’m just too lazy these day and old to be holding these 5/6 gallon cans up while the fuel is flowing out.

Jim
 
I recently purchased one of the gas jugs with the new style spouts. Of course it didn't work as it should. Using the KISS principle, one can pop these mechanical marvels apart, pull the guts out of them, and once popped back together, they work just as good as the old style jugs did.
 
I keep a pair on the boat for adding gas to the tanks. They are in a length of pvc pipe with a screw top on one end for easy in-and-out. I drilled holes in both end caps so the fumes can get out. The pipe keeps the siphons straight so they won't kink up.

Pat
 
anchorout":bfz7dsyj said:
I recently purchased one of the gas jugs with the new style spouts. Of course it didn't work as it should. Using the KISS principle, one can pop these mechanical marvels apart, pull the guts out of them, and once popped back together, they work just as good as the old style jugs did.
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Just what I did for my jerry tank for the lawn mower. I really don't see how 2-3oz of fuel dribbled out into the atmosphere is good for the environment as I filled the 1 pt tank.

I also wrap a Velcro strip around the lawn mower kill lever so I can let the handle go and the engine continue to run. It's a shame that we must jury rig so many things these days to make them useable again. I know machinery is dangerous and care must be taken when using it. I even peeled off the large label that warned me not to stick my hand under the mower while it is running. Duh.
 
Interesting. The ones I've used don't have a vent like the old tanks did (it's built into the "special" spout), so I was thinking they would not pour properly with an old-fashioned spout (due to no venting). But I guess they do? Do they just vent through the spout somehow -- maybe if you pour slowly so as to keep air in the spout?
 
Petemos, if you break the other fuel cap chain, you can replace it with a cable from WM that will never break. You were lucky if the cap fell into the boat; don't ask how I know!
 
I have been using the original plastic pump that came with my kerosene heater that I bought in 1988. The plastic pump has a ridged tube that sticks in the container to be drawn out of. At the top is a squeeze primer bulb and an air bleed to stop the siphon when desired. A flexible hose comes off the bulb for the fuel out. The pump handles diesel, kerosene, gas and water. I have always filled my Dory with this pump and all my equipment at the house. I always ferry ethanol free to the boat/house. As others stated just set the tank on the lazarette and put the hose in the fuel fill. Give it a squeeze and transfer fuel. Much safer than trying to pour into funnel. Especially in rough conditions or even at slow speeds (if necessary) in smooth water with somebody else at the helm.

These pumps can be found in the kerosene heater section of any hardware store for about $5. Not the fastest transfer but "good". It also works well filling smaller tanks on mowers and kicker integral tanks, Wallas tanks, generators and such. As it can be stopped with the siphon vent or just squeeze slowly to tranfer to a small tank without the siphon effect. The shaker siphon hose might not work as good for these other fueling needs. Total length of pump is a dab over two feet.
 
I use these for all my portable fuel containers. They are more stable than jerry cans, easily secured given their shape, and pour better than anything out there without spilling a drop. Standard gear for motorcycle folks.

There are a few brands, they go on sale routinely.

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These are what we use, and seem to be the norm at remote fishing docks with no fuel available. I want to get a couple more this year. They don't spill a drop and pour beautifully.
 
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