sturgean fishing prist point

starcrafttom

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I will be out on sunday in the Susan E sturgean fishing near preist point near marysville. its about a 5min run from the everret ramp. I plan to be on anchor by 1pm and fish till almost dark. this is when the tide is moving the most and will keep the crabs off the line. anyone want to come and hog line with me?? I need at least two boats for a hog line?
 
Sturgeon fishing is one of the best fishing. Especially in your neck of the woods. I lived in Vallejo CA for 20 years and fished San Pablo Bay, Napa River, Suisun Bay and the Sacramento River for Sturgeon. California for years had a lower limit on Sturgeon size with no upper limit. As a result the sturgeon population became fewer. Just before I left California in 1995 they smartened up and applied a lower and upper limit. As you probably know, Sturgeon don't reproduce until they reach the 5 or 6 foot size. I managed to catch a 5'2" as my largest but friends caught much larger. We mostly caught white sturgeon with some green and a very few gold. The white is the largest. The green and gold have a very sharp pointed nose and range up to about 48" but very pretty. The white are meatier and great eating as you know. California claims the largest Sturgeon caught on a rod n reel was at the Cartinez Straights, 386 pounds.
I never fished north of these waters. I moved to Maryland, Potomac River, where sturgeon are few and protected. Then I moved to Maine where again sturgeon are few and protected. I've seen pictures of some very large sturgeon caught here in Maine but released.
Hope you have tight lines, full hooks and happy fishing days. I wish I could fish your waters.
Dick
 
I to lived in california before moving to marysville,WA. Funny I have fished in marysville ca. and wa. We did not get anything the other day. Its still early in the season for this area. maybe another month and they should start to show up. Last year in march my buddy cliff and I caught two keepers, one under size and one 76incher. the big one took 45 minutes to land and burned off line 6 times. really great fish. I guy next to us took a picture but we never got it from him.

I read a report a few years ago that really shocked me. They were tagging sturgeon on the upper sac ( redding area) for study and months later they were being caught on the big c and puget sound, also on the frazier in b.c. It seems the big females move around a lot during the year.
 
You said you were from Marysville CA. We camped at Live Oak on the Feather River for several years. Good fishing but not Sturgeon. We later camped in a camp ground at the junction of the Feather and Sacramento Rivers. Again good fishing with Sturgeon. Never fished the waters North of Bodega Bay, CA.

That article about the travels of Sturgeon is interesting. In San Pablo Bay, the Sturgeon fishing was great during a rainy season with plenty of fresh water run off. During the dryer seasons the junk fish and crab migrated in from San Francisco Bay making Sturgeon fishing tough.

I've hooked a Sturgeon 3 foot of water and had to pull anchor and chase the big fish. I've also seen some huge Sturgeon roll next to the boat in the shallows. That will get your blood flowing quick.

Good memories,

Dick
 
Well the sturgeon fishing has been semi productive this year down here in the delta. We were catching keepers about one every two trips. But after the rains in January all of the shrimp were blown out to sea. Now we're lucky to hook into a shaker every 3-4 trips. Oh well. The DFG just posted their results of breeding sturgeon and there is only a couple thousand left. Compared to 144,00 in 1998!! So they're thinking of imposing a zero bag limit in the upper Sac River. I've been strictly C&R them lately at least until I run out of meat in the freezer!!
 
"The DFG just posted their results of breeding sturgeon and there is only a couple thousand left. Compared to 144,000 in 1998!! So they're thinking of imposing a zero bag limit in the upper Sac River. I've been strictly C&R them lately at least until I run out of meat in the freezer!!"

Not trying to pick on you, but I've become very concerned with the continued loss of some of these different species of fish and the general health of the mixture of creatures that make up our natural enviornment.

The stripped bass and salmon populations have suffered great losses in the Delta, and coastal stocks of rockfish have gone down so much that the DF & G and N F have eliminated fishing in much of our coastal waters.

It's a zero bag limit, or zero future for the sturgeon! Why do we feel we still have to justify our sportfishing through bagging meat for the freezer?

Meat fishing and hunting in, say, Alaska, is one thing. Scraping the last living fish, abalone, sea urchin, clam, or frog with legs in a semi-urban setting is another, and is raping what's left in Mother Nature's Womb.

PNW sportsmen take note: we're just 25 or more years ahead of you on this road to reap and rape the last living things from the great natural world God gave us and render it a sterile vacuum of depletion and death.

Sorry to be so adamant and overstated about this matter, but I do feel very strongly about it. I do not at all want to open a big debate, just have to speak my peace.

I'm no eco-crazed enviro-nazi, but just believe we should adapt our thinking in the modern age to living in peace with the natural world as it was created by God and the forces of nature in our universe.

Joe.
 
seawolf.

What you should really look in to is why the breeding population, which are the large females over 74 inch and illegal to keep for the last 10 to 20 years, has gone from 144,000 a few years ago to a few thousand today. The answer you will find is not sport fishing but poaching. The numbers have gone down as the number of Russian immigrants has gone up. Seems they miss their caviar and cannot get any from the motherland. They have completely stripped Russia of sturgeon. If you are buying caviar here in the U.S. from any store the chances are 75% that it is poached and you would never know it. One of the first areas to have a large population of Russians was the Sacramento valley. There have been several operations busted for the killing and harvesting of sturgeon eggs in California and the Portland area. These are large organized groups that are run by the Russian mob. Several guides and other fisherman have been offered money on the river while they are landing and releasing oversized fish. Where there is a market there will be product available. Don’t buy caviar.
 
Tom-

Thanks for the informative post!

I have read about the poaching of sturgeon a number of times, especially when we lived in the Bay Area and kept the C-Dory smack in the center of the Delta at Ox Bow Marina near Isleton.

No doubt poaching has been a major cause of the depletion of the brood stock for sturgeon.

But there are still losses that go beyond the the poaching and keeping of undersized fish and the like. I even know of one of our founding fathers in the C-Dory world who doesn't eat fish, but takes home every sturgeon, salmon, and stripped bass just to give them away to neighbors (and probably trade favors for).

There's just too much pressure and disturbance to the systems. Eeach group blames the other:


Sportsmen blame 1) the commercial fishermen and their share of share of the take, 2) the farmers who divert water (and finerlings) into irrigation, 3) the delta pumps, 4) the pesticide and sewage pollution,5) the salt water intrusion, 6) the poor fishery management by the DF&G, 7)the immigrant Asians who have learned through their culture of want to take anything home that moves and make it into a food source, etc........

The other sides cournter argue with ....yada, yada, yada,.................it goes on and on...

I personally think the truth is simply that humanity in general has too great an appetite for the resource, and everyone wants to get their share, regardless of the overall outcome.

I still lolve to fish, and enjoy the challenges. But I've personally reached the realization that I'll feel better if I let everything go so that my grandchildren might have something for which to fish.

Indeed, fishing has an activity that has been of great enjoyment to me, and to which I hope our future generations can pursue.

My $0.02 again, sorry!

Nice talking with you, Tom! San "hello" to Susan for me! See you around at C-B Get Togethers!

Your Friend, Joe.
 
Hey Tom-

While I'm thinking about it, did you notice the story about how they tagged some of the sturgeon in the Delta a year or two ago, and the tagged fish turned up months later in the Coumbia River system and even further north?

Talk about inter-connectivity of parts of the enviornment that aren't up front obvious!

We knew they went out to sea part of the year along the coast, but to think we're sharing the same fish puts a new perspective on observing how the fish, game, and wildlife folks manage resources in neighboring states.

Joe.
 
Joe, yes I saw that and if you look up this post a ways you will see that I talked about it. I was shocked to find out how far they travel. I have never kept one and have only hooked a few. I would really like to get a keeper this year. I support the slot size strategy for rebuilding the stocks, but a poacher or a commercial that goes over their limit can kill more fish in one day then all of us all season. last year one of the tribes over shot their limit by 10,000 fish or more. What was their punishment? they got a bigger allotment this year!!! We the fisherman got our season cut by several months. We need to teach them injuns how to count fish and not just the profit they make from safeway and others. Here in seattle I read menus that offer "wild steelhead and salmon". I don teat sea food at restaurants anymore, at least I try not to.
 
I'm not a fisherman, but did any of you see the news yesterday. They showed video clips of sea lions killing and devouring stugeon on the Columbia River. One of the sturgeon shown was estimated to be 8' in length. They said that is has been happening for some time, and that Oregon Fish Dept. is just now beginning to look into the problem.
 
Between my family of four we took home two sturgeon last year. In total the last 10 years my family has taken three sturgeon.For the weekend fisherman like myself we only get out there maybe twenty times a year. Sturgeon fishing coincides with coming home with a skunk in the boat for some reason!!

I am by no means barely putting a dent in the population. We fish with circle hooks for a easier release and rarely bring a fish in the boat to also aide in a less stressful release. I attend meetings every so often to make sure "our" voices are heard in this terrible problem. But poaching and water pumps that can turn the tide on the Sac River is more of a problem than a person who takes maybe one/two a year. So I try to do what I can to make sure my son has the chance to feel one of these magnificant creatures jump in the air.

When the Zero bag limit is put in place I will be the first guy out there obliging to it. But the DFG might just put the bag limit on the upper Sac river only. So everyone will just fish down stream and be allowed to keep them. The govt. has the right idea but alot of us want the Zero limit to be enforced throughtout the entire Delta/San Pablo/San Fran. Bays. We'll see.
 
dave, I have been seeing that type of video for about a year. They think its a new behavior. so why are the sealions turning to sturgeon? because they ate all the salmon. The DFW has to wake up and admit that the seal population is way above were it ever has been and above what it should be. before the white man and mcdonalds Indians ate seals. they also killed seals that raided their fish traps. They used the skins and the meat. Now no one kills the sealions and their population has gone thru the roof. At some point we have to rebalance the prey=predator relationship and get back to killing sea lions. We are the only predator they have up river and we have not been doing our job for the last 20 years. This is a relationship that goes back thousands of years. The west coast was home to millions of native hunters. they must have killed thousands of sealions a year. Now we kill none and expect the balance to stay the same. Time to stop hugging and start shooting.
 
starcrafttom":39zitl4w said:
seawolf.

What you should really look in to is why the breeding population, which are the large females over 74 inch and illegal to keep for the last 10 to 20 years, has gone from 144,000 a few years ago to a few thousand today.answer you will find is not sport fishing but poaching. The numbers have gone down as the number of Russian immigrants has gone up.

starcrafttom,

Do you really believe that such significant drop in the breeding population had happend becouse of the growth of russian speaking community?! :(
 
DaveS":2guzvk33 said:
I'm not a fisherman, but did any of you see the news yesterday. They showed video clips of sea lions killing and devouring stugeon on the Columbia River. One of the sturgeon shown was estimated to be 8' in length. They said that is has been happening for some time, and that Oregon Fish Dept. is just now beginning to look into the problem.

I attended the ODFW Commissioners' meeting last Friday in Salem and heard testimony from a guide that 10-15 keeper to oversized sturgeon are being taken by sea lions weekly...won't take long to clean out the breeders at that rate. One of the commissioners (I'd almost call him a rebel) has the "Get R Done" attitude and may force the issue and stop the "Our hands are tied" boneheads.

I guess I should add some PC info too...the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972 has 2 sections of interest also:

109 says the State may request return of management to the State, OUT of the feds hands. (Never been successfully attempted -- Alaska began trying in 1973)

120 says the State can apply for authorization to lethally TAKE protected species. This was the one that caught the attention of the 'rebel commissioner' who got the glare from the Chair.

A sport fisher's only protection methods allowable are water hose, seal bomb (may be hazardous to your life too) and sling shot. I'd never heard about the sling shot, but.... :teeth -- these methods can be used to discourage them from taking your catch.
 
No doubt about it, the sea lions have become a major nuisance and cause of our fishing resource losses. The Marine Mamals Act combined with the sea lion's big eye appeal, especially to the touchy-feely crowd and to the overboard enviornmental folks have made them a real PITA.

The commercial fishermen down here would love to shoot as many of them as possible with the 30-30's they usually carry on board if only they could. Most of us who fish for salmon have also experienced the ending of a good hook-up only to find just the head of the fish left on the line after a sea lion took the rest for itself!

Unfortunately, these problems are more complex than just to have a simple, one cause, one cure, easy fix structure. This is too bad, otherwise we could simply string up the one group responsible and have the problem solved!

There are probably 25, 50, or 100 interrealted causes of the loss of fishing resources. While we often look to a 1-2-3 cause-effect-solution type explanation to justify our own conclusions about what we think ought to be done to solve the problem, the truth is far more complicated, and the cure sometimes seeminly beyond our control.

Problems like this, instead of having a short, linear cause-effect-solution structure, are much more like a big complex three dimensional lattice work of interconnected causes and effects that look more like a web of interactions.

All this makes the understanding and control of such problems and their various issues enormously complicated, and often seemingly beyond control. But the bottom line is that each person, interest group, and governmental body must assume responsibility for their section of the web if any progress is to be made at all, least we give up all together and suffer the loss of everything we want to save.

These webs of cause-effect relationships also have many dimensions: social, cultural, biological, legal, geographical, economic, and territorial, among others. Careful study often reveals that the economic causes are fundamental in many cases, e.g., who wants what for themselves.

Too bad personal greed is such a major factor in our basic behavior, but it's a basic factor in human endeavors.

All of this is not to spread dispair about the conservation of our fishing resources, but to help put the various problems and their solsutions into proper perspective when viewed as a whole, and to encourage each individual to assume responsibility for their share in protecting the neighborhood for all. We're all in this together, it's only one world, one Mother Earth to share together in the end.

Joe.
 
Ever since the U.S. banned inporting caviar from Russia until they figure how to maintain their stocks the poaching here has gone hay wire. I'd say 3 out of 4 poaching rings that do get caught around here are traced back to Russian deli's who sell the caviar on the black market.
 
Anlee. Yes I do. If you look back at the history of the sturgeon stocks you will see two periods of decline. At the turn of the last century sturgeon stock were well on their way to being depleted. Large sturgeon were caught in nets and sold to canneries as a commercial fishery. Few if any people ate them at the time. Why would you when salmon was easy to get. Most of the sturgeon were sold for dog food or dried fish. It was not until we discovered that it’s the biggest sturgeon that produces the most eggs that rule where in acted, about 1978. I think. A female will not start to produce until she is about 30 to 50 years old, about 76 inches. Once they reach 10 ft they really kick in and can produce millions of eggs a year. This is why the slot limit was put in to effect. You can only keep fish between 42 and 74 inches (differs state to state by a few inches) once this was established the numbers slowly grew until about 15 years ago. Then they took a down turn. First in California and then on the big c. that’s when the Russians started to move in to the sac valley. Now the Russians are great people, I have worked with more then a few in the concrete field, but they come from a culture were you just go fishing. No rules, limits, or licenses. I have watched them take home 10 salmon on the Feather River when it was closed. Stripers that are under sized by the boat full. If you tell them they are breaking the law they stop speaking English or threaten you. I have called the ca. D.F.G. on many of them and others, I hate poachers. A warden told me that they hate to write them tickets because they tell the judge they do not know the rules and get off. Then you see then on the river at it again the next day. To add to this is the caviar poacher. As several million Russians moved into the west coast the demand for caviar skyrocketed, as did the price. Add too this the ban of Russian caviar and you have a supply demand problem that’s just ripe for the black market and Hugh profits. Just like when Canada raise the price of a pack of smokes to $10, every retired American that crossed the border to go R.Ving carried the maximum amount of smokes allowed by law so they could sell them up north and the black market smuggled the rest. Where there is a demand there is a supplier. The millions of Russians that miss the caviar of their homeland are demanding it and most don’t think that the caviar at the corner store in Russian labels is poached but their wrong.
 
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