Stepping Over to a CD-16 from a CD-22 at 74?

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Sea Wolf

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As some of you may know, I've listed by CD-22 Cruiser for sale here on the site in response to my aging condition and some other issues.

The thought has also crossed my mind that it would be possible to step down or across to a smaller boat, for ease of handling, especially since I boat (and mostly fish) on inland waters.

So how about trading across to a CD-16 Angler?

Since cruising and over-nighting would not be a priority, a much smaller boat on inland waters might work out nicely for day fishing trips.

One wouldn't need a galley, heater, head, full sized bed, a lot of electronics, or many other accommodations and gadgetry that full use cruising and/or big water use would demand, at least it seems at first thought.

I know quite a few of the C-Brats have added a CD-16 to their inventory of boats for fishing, often while keeping a CD 22, 25, 255 or other boats, or may have simply swapped one out for another.

I'm thinking that a CD-16 Angler might fit my current needs just fine while allowing for much easier launching and other handling that are still within my limited mobility range that makes my CD-22 rather large and awkward presently.

What do you all think? What has been your experience?

Towing? Launching? Handling? Fishing? More?

Thanks for considering!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Hi Joe. I did that exact step-down, 22 to 16 angler. In all respects the angler is easier: to tow, launch, dock, maintain, store, run, etc. Towable with a 4-cyl. small truck or SUV. Surprisingly little difference in the feeling of safety in waves up to 3'. The big downside was when I wanted to have guests. The Angler is really a 2 person boat. Also no hard back so colder and noisier, which is OK for me, not for my wife. It would be perfect for inland protected waters. Due to your situation I'd certainly recommend not getting a "project" boat like I did. Best wishes, Mike.
 
I am now 74 and moved from a 22 to a 16 cruiser about 4 years ago for similar reasons. My wife acquired some health issues that limited her ability to help dock and retrieve the 22. You are right in that the 16 can be single handed easily. Westward made all the points that are spot on. Don't know about the Angler but the Cruiser has a backdrop you can install and close out some of the nasty weather. We use ours mostly for fishing but also spend a night or two on it periodically. It takes a little more planning but for two of us, a couple of nights out are very doable. I have no experience with the angler but the cruiser has a lot of storage room both above and below the berth and the full size porta potty that is located in the same relative place as on the 22 and keeps the Admiral happy. I might suggest you look at both the cruiser and angler as newer 16s don't come available too often.
 
Joe- You know my love for the 16's. I would simply add two criteria for those of us "of a certain age". The cruiser needs at least one electric wiper on the driver's side so you don't have to jump up and down to reach the manual handle. On the angler it can be reached from a sitting position. On the other hand, it's real nice to be able to take a comfortable nap on the cruiser, real nice.
These are little thing Joe. Either boat will tow like a dream behind a four cylinder and launch and retrieve like you've been doing it all your life (which I know you have). All the best to you.
 
The only down side, I can see is that the 16 is going to be a little less stable--and with limited ability to get around--that could be an issue...

Personally at 80, I am sticking with the 22...
 
I will probably be purchasing a 16 this winter or next spring. Wish I had kept the 16 cruiser I bought in 2006. Loved the 22 but at 70 it seems like the 16 would make life a lot simpler.
 
Sounds like the 16 Angler swap out is a go!

Thanks for all the advice!

Any more?

Any advice on which year Anglers are preferred?

Which engine size?

How to set one up for trolling?

Is a Permatrim advisable?

Customizations recommended?

Canvas recommendations?

Other advice?

Thanks!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Regarding your question about Permatrim - on my Angler I've seen zero need for one, both with the original 40 hp and the newer 50 hp. The boat never really has to climb out of a hole like most boats do - as you advance the throttle, it sort of just remains level and goes faster. From what I've read here, the Cruiser does benefit from Permatrim.

Regarding power, I think 40 hp is just fine...typically 50 hp is the same block as a 40, but you only get the additional 10 hp at the top of the RPM range, and you usually can't run the boats that fast anyway. There is a general perception that 50 hp is better, and therefore resale value might be better with 50, which is why I went with that when repowering from the original 40, not because I felt 50 was needed.

I'm still a ways off from 74 (heck, I'm not even 47!) so I just made the opposite move, but I'll echo what everyone else has said about the 16, and the smallness / ease of transport/launching/handling was the thing that made upgrading to the 22 such a difficult decision, and the reason I don't want to let go of it! Figure once my 22 is in dry stack storage, it will be nice to still have the 16 in the garage for local day trips and such.

Enjoy your search for your 16!

-Mike
 
I agree with MikeR that the 40hp is fine but the 50 may help sell the boat.Try to find a newer motor that is fuel injected. Get a small kicker, maybe 2 or three hp. I do think however, that the Permatrim should be added. It's relatively inexpensive, a little over $100, and it works well holding the boat down to avoid the corking effect to which the little vessel is prone. Older angler hulls may have been turned into the owner 'fisherman's mancave" with screw holes everywhere. I would avoid those boats. About canvas, we really enjoyed the canvas setup that came with our boat. It even helped us configure a private head on a 16. We had a mooring cover fitted which simply rolled over the partial bimini and slanted down to the splashwell. You can see a picture in our album. The ease of launching, retrieving and towing has been noted, If you get a trailer with an articulated tongue you can probably fit the boat in a standard garage. Fulton makes the hinge which you could probably install yourself. Our trailer had oil-bath hubs and we never had to do any maintainance on them. We added a second battery to the starboard stern. Most 16's have one or two 6 gallon red tanks. Ours came with a built in 20 gallon which looked like one of the two tanks on 22 footers. It was plumbed in with a dedicated fuel filter. While an angler looks better without a bow rail, get one on your boat, It's not only for safety, but handy when loading the boat on the trailer. Finally, just enjoy that boat. You're a lucky guy.
 
Marty & MikeR-

Thanks for all the great advice, again! Keep it up, please!

OK, I'll go one step further now and see if there are any CD-16 Angler owners out here on the West Coast that are interested in trading up for my CD-22.
(See my ad under CD's For Sale on the bottom right corner of the Homepage.)
Send me a PM or an email with a proposal and photos, etc.
Should be a fun shopping trip! :lol:

Thanks!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I've another 22 Cruiser I'll trade for a 16 Cruiser (plus lucre)!

Quite a few minds think alike here. I've got my 22 cruiser listed for sale too and have also thought a 16 (abet a cruiser) might be the ticket for this decrepit old sailor - a middle ground between boat and no boat. I'm heartened to read others growing a bit old for manhandling a 22 have found a 16 quite manageable. Thanks for those posts!

Sorry Sea Wolf for offering a somewhat similar trade. I hope our boats and the boats we want are different enough and miles enough apart we'll not directly compete.

To learn more about mine, email me here or at <btboat[at]olympus.net> and I'll send pictures & paragraphs.

Best wishes to you Joe,
 
brooks&judy":zm4qz87v said:
I've another 22 Cruiser I'll trade for a 16 Cruiser (plus lucre)!

Quite a few minds think alike here. I've got my 22 cruiser listed for sale too and have also thought a 16 (abet a cruiser) might be the ticket for this decrepit old sailor - a middle ground between boat and no boat. I'm heartened to read others growing a bit old for manhandling a 22 have found a 16 quite manageable. Thanks for those posts!

Sorry Sea Wolf for offering a somewhat similar trade. I hope our boats and the boats we want are different enough and miles enough apart we'll not directly compete.

To learn more about mine, email me here or at <btboat[at]olympus.net> and I'll send pictures & paragraphs.

Best wishes to you Joe,
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No problem, Brooks, It's just like a big poker game! :lol:

Let's deal 'dem cards! :smiled

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
My preference is the Angler (my thinking is that no 16' boat is an overnighter for me, so why not have more day space-this is pure personal preference, though, and not fact), a 50HP EFI motor (though 40 is fine too), install a permatrim, seek quality rather than lowest price. There was one on this site years back called "blue manatee" I believe. As I remember it was very nicely set up. See if you can find pictures of it. Bob is correct that the 16 is less stable: it will roll more if 2 adults step to the same side gunwale, as in landing/netting a fish. If you have significant balance deficits, then for sure take a test ride before buying. I would love to see a discussion here sometime about adaptations to facilitate safe and enjoyable boating as we advance in age. Have fun with your search! Mike.
 
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