Right props for CD-22 for full 5500-6000 RPM at WOT

Hey Casey,

Don't change hobbies, and get your lazy butt back up here and visit for a while. Miss you!

As I've said before (over and over to the point of yuk) I do this kind of thing a lot. Did it for Johnson on some of their big engines, and my predicted log racing days required precise (wow, how precise can you get) planning numbers.

The really practical numbers, like those El and Bill get from thousands of miles and countless fill-up checks, are very difficult to get, and are most important on long legs. So many variables are significant to our little guys. Total weight, hull condition, wind (both direction and velocity), topside drag, lateral and longitudinal trim, engine thrust angle, and the list goes on. Most of the published tests I've seen on boats I'm familiar with are very favorable to the boat/engine combination. They are usually done under ideal conditions, with a professional driver, and accurately measured with a radar gun. New boat, clean bottom, etc.These are not real world figures.

The GPS/ chart plotter systems have for the most part eliminated plotting errors. When I was teaching this stuff to professional seaman, I'd often find plotting errors of 2 or 3 tenths of mile on a leg. Steering errors add to that, so the actual miles run were generally more than the plot.

With the 5 22s I've had -- different main engines -- I have never been able to get 5.0 smpg. I'll get some numbers on the new 2-stroke, but with my Yamaha and Hondas I could get about 4 NMPG if, IF, conditions were ideal. Wind on either beam that requires rudder compensation, or bow-down trim to compensate for headwind chop, all decrease the NMPG significantly. I'm an old safety dude (coward a better word), so my planning figure is 3NMPG. I normal cruise long legs. Here to Bamfield is about 200 NM, and I like to have a decent reserve. With the limited range of the 22, that means I've got to stop enroute (Port Angeles, Sooke, or Neah Bay) and top off. Beats running out of fuel, and I agree with Casey -- better to slow to hull speed and go twice as far. Take along a good book - and have a good autopilot!

This doesn't help, but puts another oar in the water,

Dusty
 
This is making my hair fall out! well, not really...I'm pulling it out!

Reading here, reading Honda's website and I still don't have a clue! The boat's in the water, so I have no idea what prop is on there. What I DO know is we get 4500 RPM tops WOT and it should be between 5K and 6K. The spare they gave us is a 15 (pitch, I think) x 13 3/4" (diameter, right?) and I didn't open the box, but suspect it's 3 blade. The stock # isn't in the Honda catalog online (it's 58130-ZW1-W21ZA). I'm reading the website that there's a tach adjustment in the boat...we've asked the dealership about our concerns in the past, thinking the engine sounded like it was working way too hard and we've never achieved the speed others seem to get out of their boats...the dealership tells us it's just fine the way it is...I really don't want to break that engine in at improper speeds/RPMs, as I understand that can be a long range migraine, and we may already be too late to make corrections...Les...you out there? Can you give us some guidance?
 
CM n S - Googling your part number shows it to be a Honda or Solas (they make Honda's OEM props).

Now, here's my wild guess:

Since Sportcraft set up your boat, and they don't like Solas/Honda props because of the whine they often make at 2000 or so rpms, you have a black prop (Michigan Wheel) on your boat now. Right so far? My experience with both the CD22/75 Honda and the CD25/130 Honda is that the Michigan prop with the same size numbers as the Honda prop tops out at 200 to 300 rpm less. When I got my first CD (used) from Sportcraft, it had a Honda branded prop with 17" pitch. My WOT was 4800 rpm. I changed to a Honda branded prop with 15" pitch and went to 5400 rpm. Then I changed to a Solas 15" prop and made 5600 rpm. Plus it was a whole lot smoother feeling than any of the others. There was the whine, though, but the only time I noticed it was coming up the Skipanon channel at 2000 - 2500 rpm. It went away when trolling or running faster, so it was not a bother.

So I am guessing that you have a 17" pitch prop on there now, and it is likely a Michigan. If you change to your 15" Honda spare, you will be get over 5000 rpm.

If you find you have a 15" pitch on there now, then you better look real close at your throttle linkage at the motor and make sure you are getting full stroke and the throttle is really wide open when the controller is pushed all the way forward. (Actually, you should look at the linkage anyway, but it seems I remember you saying a while back that it had been checked.)

Let me know if any of my guesses are close, because B~C is offering a prize for this.
 
I'm printing this stuff and taking it to the boat with us this weekend...I don't know what color the prop is....maybe Steve can see the markings on it from the swim step...dunno....if we can't get a make on it from there, it'll have to be "ok" until we pull the boat the end of October...I'm saving what hair I have left on my head -- just noticed all the emoticons are bald! eeeeek!
 
TyBoo":dppugks2 said:
CatyMae n Steve":dppugks2 said:
...just noticed all the emoticons are bald! eeeeek!

So are the Admin guys on here. Don't give me that "eeeeek!" stuff.

that why all the emoticons are bald? do wives start looking like their husbands in elder years? that's worth another eeeek :) somebody gimme a cigarette...no I just heard there's $1.79 tax on each pack..I can't afford to smoke :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail :cocktail

I'd say the prop is black as you guessed it was:

P4120027.sized.jpg
 
TyBoo":2xd4y6z4 said:
CM n S - Googling your part number shows it to be a Honda or Solas (they make Honda's OEM props).

Now, here's my wild guess:

Since Sportcraft set up your boat, and they don't like Solas/Honda props because of the whine they often make at 2000 or so rpms, you have a black prop (Michigan Wheel) on your boat now. Right so far? <snip>
So I am guessing that you have a 17" pitch prop on there now, and it is likely a Michigan. If you change to your 15" Honda spare, you will be get over 5000 rpm.

<snip>Let me know if any of my guesses are close, because B~C is offering a prize for this.

B~C better start paying that prize! Mike, you were right on the money..17P visible on the black prop from the swimstep. The boat's moored until the end of October -- we've got LOTS of projects in our minds for when the boat comes home, and that prop change will probably be the first. Thanks! :thup
 
Back
Top