Porta Potti Replacement on the CD-22

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Looked through a few of the old threads, but didn't really see anything answering my question. I have a 2007 CD-22 that came with the Thetford Porta Potti 565 Model 28527. It appears this particular unit is no longer made. I am looking at replacing my original Porta Potti soon and wondering if anybody has already found a replacement in production that fits? Ie, 15 1/2" tall. My wife and I do go out on several trips a year where we are on the boat for 5 or 6 days, so going to a smaller unit isn't really sufficient. And of course a larger unit will not fit in the V-berth location. Thanks in advance for any answers. Colby
 
We started using one of these units this year on our 19 and it works great. It is the larger size (5 gallon) unit and fits perfectly.

http://www.dometic.com/USA/MS-11346-Mar ... oilet-gray

They do also make a pumpout fitted version that we used in our previous boat and it also worked well for us. The last two thetfords we had leaked and were not as nice to use. But I do wish that new curve unit would fit the space because it looks like a nice unit.

Greg
 
THanks Greg. That does look like the perfect size, and I think it may even have just a bit larger holding tank, which is what we'd like. I'll have to check into pricing and dealers of where to find it. Colby
 
Hi Colby
I had the same toilet that Greg recommended. It worked and fit well in the CD-22 that we sold this spring. It's a good unit however DO NOT over pump the air pressure. They will crack! Bought mine from West Marine and it cracked a month out of warranty. They said they would replace it if I brought it back to the store. Fair enough....but I did not want to do the one hour drive. So I asked for a tube of epoxy. Stop drilled the crack and epoxied it. No further problems but I was very careful not to pump it up more than recommended.

Always got a reaction when I mentioned that I blew up the porta potty!
 
I also have the same Porta-Potti that Greg linked to. Perfect size but the "flush button" and water cap is a PITA. It constantly leaks, the rubber O ring does not seat/seal properly, therefore, the air loses pressure and it doesn't flush without a lot of fiddling about. I bought a new upper half of the PP and it doesn't work any better. I'm looking for another model next year. :thdown
 
We also used to have a small porta potty but on cruises of any length the tank was simply too small. We finally went with a Thetford "Curve" and are very happy with it - (well, as happy as a porta potty can make you). It is tall so the v-berth insert will not fit when the potty is up forward, but we move the potty out into the cabin or cockpit at night anyway. I understand the Venture has a bit more headroom in the forward cabin and we find the potty is still quite usable when up forward. The Curve has an AA battery powered flush. You push a button and water streams out around the bowl. I was definitely skeptical about this aspect but to my amazement it works quite well and the batteries last. I especially like the big holding tank. Dumping it has been no problem at all and no mess either. My wife made a nice fabric cover with a foam top that we can put over it so it hides what it really is.

http://www.thetford.com/product/porta-potti-curve/

Rob
 
Well, after being on the hook for several days in Desolation Sound last week, thoughts of "moving on up" to a bigger boat complete with marine head, shower and much more storage has been stirring in my brain. After having to use the porta-potti for No. 2, I swore that I would not be doing that again and have been trying to come up with a better solution without having to pay for a bigger boat. After reading this thread and doing a little searching on the web, I think I've come up with a solution for the next time we plan on spending more than a few days on the hook out in the wilderness.

Hassock Portable Toilet

Since we already use one of these for both myself and the Mrs. for No. 1, (Little John) I feel our solid waste dilemma might finally be resolved. What do you think? Anyone use the Hassock and if so, please share your experiences.

Peter
C-Dancer
 
Hey Peter, that "Loo" seems like it would be a much cheaper and efficient fix, but one would still have to deal with the trash bags then. And if in rough water like we were last week, I don't know if I would want that stuff splashing around outside of a contained holding tank. Then again, one can use it for #1 and dump it overboard or behind a tree somewhere. :-) For #2, just stick a bag in it, and then store it out of the way for later disposal. Still, just saying that means you have a bag of crap laying around somewhere....
The Curve does look to be the nicest of what's out there for our boats. But I really prefer one to fit in it's space. We too move the potti at night, but during the day leave it in the berth. Only removing the center cushion when needing the potti's use. Sometimes, many times using the berth during the day to nap or just another position to relax/read.
Regarding the pump on the Dometic, I don't see myself flushing often, and then only putting minimal air in it. (After all, the flush is just filling the holding tank up also. Think of some of the newer urinals out there that are waterless. Really no reason to flush pee, if one cleans the bowl out when dumping....) I've found some of these on Amazon, for around $140. Probably more expensive then they are worth, but that seems to be how it goes. Colby
 
A little vaseline or other more suitable lube on the water cap o-ring goes a long way and our two held pressure for many hours at least and the girls really like that potty and use it instead of shore options quite a bit. No problems but yes that seal is important.

I don't use the potty myself at all and would only go there in an emergency. I pee in a mug and dump overboard and just paddle to shore if we are anchored out and use shore facilities or minimum impact #2 techniques on wilderness shores. It is not unusual for me to paddle out even in the dark of night for a shore break and honestly some of those night paddles (motors) are really a neat experience that I would miss with a real head on board. We had a 25 and I still went to shore the same way and left that little toy for the girls. Until we move up in retirement to a trawler with a real long-bowl unit, I am just not interested. I hear you Peter and your small boat days are wearing thin as are a few others around here.

Greg
 
Aurelia":2ugvyyuw said:
I don't use the potty myself I still went to shore the same way and left that little toy for the girls.
Greg
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Reminded me when we bought our Campion. The guy I bought it from had his new boat in the same marina. About a week after we got it he confided in me that he never used the pottie, just went overboard and his girls used the sink which discharged directly overboard. Well,,,, we had never used the sink yet but if my wife had done dishes in it and then ate on them,,,, I think he would probably still be in the lake somewhere. :crook :amgry
 
Peter, thanks for the link. I have struggled with the same issue (#2). Still not perfect, but a bucket and a triple bag system is working so far for this trip. Learned it is less hassle if you don't pee into the bag. A squarish Kirkland Laundry soap bucket fits in the back under the splash well, and the results dispose into a the garbage, just like disposable baby diapers. No Portta Potti to empty and wash out, not spills either. The plastic bags are held in place with a bungee cord for each one. The inner, active one gets Zip tied, and reused several times for each bag. OK, TMI for sure but everybody does it :lol:

By the way, it was nice to get to spend some time with you guys, and Thanks again for sharing the Alaskan.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Thanks for the comments guys. I was thinking of using the Hassock in this way. Use it solely for No. 2, no liquid. Make sure it's double bagged and use kitty litter or similar product provided by the same company that makes the loo (Reliance), use Reliance deodorizer, tie it up tight and maybe keep it in the splash well until I can properly dispose of it. For No. 1, continue using the Little John. Store the Hassock in the same spot under the V-Berth. Therefore, no gross watery mess, no porta-potti clean-up, no dilemma as to where to dispose. I'll let you know how it all works out the next time we're out in the wilderness on the hook.

Oh and Harvey, it was great spending time with you and the others in Desolation Sound. Be safe out there.
 
I have used a 6 gallon white bucket with double plastic bag liners for years at work in the Prudhoe Bay oilfield. It works great. It even had a toilet seat attached.

I applied the same idea to one in my boat for no.2 only. The boat model has a lid so it can be used to sit on while fishing.
Cheep and effective. A blue roll of shop paper towels work well also. Very absorbent for any no.1.

My 1st mate, Mrs. R, uses the porta-potti for her numbers.
 
Well, finally had to pull the plug and order a new potty. The old Thetford already had some tape to hide cracks on the lid, but when the seat developed a crack....I thought about trying to epoxy it or plastic weld, but just decided it wasn't worth it. The old one has served well... Went with Greg's suggestion of the Dometic 975. Had some confusion about a manufacturers part number, as some places showed the last four as 9606, while Dometic was showing 9506. But all appear to be the same toilet, so I'm assuming it has something to do with extra parts like the hold down brackets, which I do not need. Found the cheapest price at Camping World for $105. Hoping this is a good replacement for the old one.
 
I have the full sized version of the C-Head by Cap. This one is the short model (fifth and sixth models down the list plus there is a video of the short model):
http://www.c-head.com/Stock.html
These are the best made non-holding tank or tanklet toilet you can buy. They major work. I would cut down the V filler cushion from the bottom to make the full sized work if it were me. A thin piece of firm foam would be fine I think. Using the full sized version with gallon water bottles is very easy plus no as in no smell. I can go weeks on the poo can and it is also easy to empty or just cap and toss. I know, not legal and all that but you can store and dispose of the remains anyway you wish, I use the composting top for that purpose and in two or three months you have potting soil for the non-edible plants.
Bob Jarrard
 
I just updated my "Enclosed Head" photo folder. I am extremely low-tech and have successfully avoided Porta Potties since "the incident" years ago. My present solution wouldn't work for everybody, but the gentleman's urinal aspect might be of interest to others.

I suppose whether it works in boats other than the CD 16 depends on the height of the cockpit coaming above the splash well, the size of the drain holes in the splash well, and the proportions of the user.

I enlarged my drain holes and a piece of garden hose fits through easily. The gadget is extremely easy to use, quick to rinse out, and stores in the splash well. It does require a cockpit cover if used in a busy anchorage, but I usually have my cover up. I use it even in remote areas because it is quicker and more convenient than the contortions normally required. Beth is jealous. As a safety bonus, there is no "hanging overboard" required when single handing.

I haven't been able to convince Beth to try one of the "stand up" lady's gadgets. I know from past experience that if I suggest something, and she is sceptical, she will resist even trying it, and if tried, it will never work. For the idea to work, the suggestion must come from somebody else, preferably a woman. Anyway, I've reduced the amount of liquid in my "Enclosed Head," making 10 day marina-free cruises possible.

Everybody who buys Poo Powder has to put a little in a glass and add water. It's amazing stuff.

Mark

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?...ame=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
 
Some interesting ideas out there. However, my wife and I both use our porta potty as a toilet. That means both numbers by each. Heading ashore to take care of business isn't always available. Nor is hanging out over the gunnel always ideal either. I laugh at those that have the porta potties but for whatever reason refuse to use them. To each their own I suppose. (I guess I like to pee in my backyard once in a while too. But why, other than I can! LOL.) But they are easy to use, and easy to dump when facilities are available. Colby
 
Lots of comments here. So l'll try to keep it short. We have had C-Dorys for 18 years and on our 2nd Thetford potty. Essentially both have been the same except the first one had paper holder, so now paper goes in a coffee can. The current one is a 25111, with an electric water pump and waste pour out spout. The means we can dump most anywhere without need for a pump out station. It has a 4 gal water capacity and 5.5 for waste. 16 1/2 in high, just right for us. Works well for #1 & 2. Just fill the bowl with more water for a 2. We use plenty of deoderizer in the waste tank & biodegradable paper. First one had to get replaced because bowl seal started leaking and bowl wouldn't hold water anymore. Pot was too old and parts no longer available. I make sure to empty it right after a trip, flush it well, and add the deoderizer, and a bit of fresh water immediately. They have served us well.
 
Just buy two of the 5 gallon Dometic potties, carry one fully assembled, and bring the bottom half of the other one. When primary fills up, swap to secondary. This will give you a week or more for a couple.
Works for me!
 
Well I ordered and got that Dometic 975, however.... you sure need to have a small butt for that small seat, and well, our butts aren't so small! :mrgreen: Took it back to a nearby Camping World and no problem getting a refund. Was going to look at the Thetford 550P, but they did not have one in stock, so ran a few miles down the road to Cabella's, who did have a Thetford Campa Potti XT. Now I can't tell what the difference is between the XT and the 550, and Thetfords customer service couldn't tell me either (as he was just reading the same online description I was... :( But everything about the XT was quite comparable to my old 565. Including the seat size. (Maybe 1/2" shorter in length at most, but that's still better than how small the Dometic was!) The XT does stand almost an inch higher at 16.5". But as it is, I have 1/2" pink foam board under my bunk for condensation control so with the 1/2" lift on my center bunk board around the edges, the new potti fits just about perfect. The XT does not have the little holding tank level gauge, but then I never used that anyway. So back in business. And for anyone else that is looking for a replacement for the 565, if you can handle 1/2" taller, the Campa Potti XT fits and has the same flush, fill and dump mechanisms as the original 565 did.
 
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