Pain free insulation solution

I recieved an email from Richard and he is shipping 3gal of the paint today. He is also sending a spray gun that is setup for spraying the thicker insulation. Since I am not a painter I hope I don't make too many mistakes. I can't wait to see how it does when we go to Desolation.
Steve
 
B~C

I think painting over the insulation in the cabin will be worthwhile. After two weeks I have noticed dirty finger prints around the door, and the seat cushion on the front seat when facing foward has rubbed a nice dark patch on the coating which I can't seem to clean off. I may paint the lower portions where shoes and boots come in contact with the sides and around the the galley and door.

Tom
 
Well hell, the sales dude said it should be topcoated. I was going to wait untill after salmon season to give it a good cleaning and determine the need but it sounds like I best plan on breaking out the Zolatone....a slab of that hull linner on the roof may not be bad.

How did it turn out? what are your early impressions? don't worry about hurting my feelings, inquiring minds need to know
 
Hi Guys,

I have applied one coat to the v-berth so far. I plan to add another coat for good measure. The taping and covering is much more trouble than I expected. I probably will not do the main cabin. It would take me two days to get it ready to spray and I would still have overs-pray to clean up.

When you did this did you remove all the wiring so you could paint behind it? Also did you remove the lights? I seem to have a lot of wiring for the electronics and radios and there is no-way I want to remove all that. Did you also paint the aft bulkhead? I was thinking of only painting the hull and top.

In the v-berth I just up top where the dash connects to the underside of the deck. I did the hull back to the bulkhead.

I don't think I want to spay a topcoat in the v-berth. IF it get dirty I may just cover it with something or paint it with a brush.

You can tell I am not a painter.
Steve
 
Steve-

Sorry to hear you had some difficulty with the insulation spraying. It's probably not the first spray job one wants to do, and the more experience one has with spraying various types of paints, the easier it is to anticipate some of the problems encountered. But you'll be ok, just follow through with logical touch-ups and corrections.

Where you come into established wiring and hardware that cannot be sprayed and overcoated with the insulation, you'll have to anticipate the problem early on, and either taper off the coating in that area, or mask it (if possible).

There isn't as much need to coat the cabin bulkhead as the outer hull and cabin top, as the aft bulkhead doesn't contact the colder air outside.

Painting over the insulation is an option, of course, and doesn't need to be done by spraying. A suitable paint that will both bond to the insulation and provide a pleasing appearance can be done with either a brush or a roller.

Can you see why I originally suggested the factory offer this as an option to be applied before painting the interior with Zolatone and the subsequent installation of all wiring and hardware?

Incidentally, did anyone warn you that B-C was a closet spray artist?

BTW: How are your parents doing with the pontoon boat they purchased after the Shasta Lake gathering? (A PM answer will perhaps be the best here.)

Joe.
 
steve, the wire and control bundle I just left be, the wires to the lights I just unscrewed the clips and let hang. I masked off the cab lights and removed the overhead shelf. Go down to the local building supply store and for less than $20 buy you some masking paper and a masking gun, it's the only way to go. The masking gun is just a cheap plastic gadget that the roll of paper slides on, it has another holder for tape and applies the tape to the paper as it rolls off. Zip Zap rip and you have a window masked off, a lap or two around the helm and it's done, a couple of runs down the counter and walla, the wallas is good to go...I only sprayed in the V-berth under the mattress as I had already carpeted the berth. That may be your next project, laying some carpet (hull liner) in the v-berth for that high dollar mega yacht feel.
 
Ken and Steve

My initial impressions are still very good. I don't think I would worry about top coating the v-berth, but the main cabin area needs something around the footwells, galley area, door, and dinette, essentially from the deck up to the base of the windows and around the door. There are a couple of areas of wear around the table and where the front upright seat cushion rubs against the area just beneath the windows. I haven't had any significant rain since I coated the cabin area, but as you said, it looks pretty good. From a durability perspective, the material I spilled in the driveway when I was refilling the sprayer is still there after a lot of hard rain, washing the boat and my son driving on it. I am looking forward to my first night in the rain and cool weather in Prince William Sound or Seward.

I didn't coat the bulkhead between the cabin and v-berth since I was only interested in the areas where there would be temperature gradient with the potential for condensation. I didn't remove the wiring but masked it off. The sprayer was able to get around most of it. I used a brush to reach the rest, but that didn't really work that well. I'm not a painter either, so I kind of used the philosophy of out of sight out of mind. I did treat the area under the galley area, but it was tough due to all the cabling (I masked that off with tape) and the Wallas. Again the coverage wasn't as complete as the remainder of the cabin, but it appeared to be good enough.



Tom
 
Thanks for the info.
I did not think the area under the v-berth cushion needed to be insulated since it is filled with foam. Am I wrong on this?
Once I get the v-berth done I may give the cabin a try since I have 2 more gals of paint.
Steve
 
Steve,

I didn't do the area underneath the cushions since it has no direct contact with the outside colder air. I checked after the last trip for condensation under the cushions and found none, so I don't think that part needs to be done.

Tom
 
I did the area under the cushion just cuz, I was all set up with no where to go and I thought it just may help keep things fresh when the boat sits during the winter months.
10-4 on the bulkhead, no need to mess with that.
Get the masking gun and go for it, don't make me come down there and finish that :)

As for the topcoat, I don't know why a person couldn't use most any kind of paint. I've sprayed the zolatone before and it gives a nice textured finish but I don't know why a person couldn't use an interior enamel or a good exterior house paint or hull liner (that hull liner is much easier to work with than carpet, it's thin, it has some stretch & it has some special treatment to resist mildew). Anybody have any other thoughts on this?

Joe- I've never painted a closet, a few cars and houses but no closets. It would be slicker than snot to do this at the factory before the windows and rigging where installed. They could tout it as a true "Alaskan Bulkhead"
 
Dan,

I was out all day on Sunday and on my side of the Sound it was dry if you can believe it. I was out around Perry Island and looked over toward Naked and to the north and that was where the rain started. It's still great stuff but work is keeping me from spending too many nights out. I expect to have a few more nights between now and September and will give you some feedback after that.
 
Post Ilwaco fishing season review- I still had a few mornings with damp shirts but not like before, the insulation does need a cover coat as, sure enough, it doesn't clean up very easy. I still think it makes the boat much more comfy and would do it again.. This week I'm going to mask everything off again and lay in another coat on the roof and then topcoat everything....I'm going to talk to the folks at my favorite paint store about what best to topcoat with
 
Thanx for the update Ken, I figured as much after I actually saw a sample of it. I still have a couple gallons waiting to be put on. I hope the stuff will hold through in storage for the winter :| .
My intentions for it are to coat my under-the-v-berth-area - lots of condensation always collects there, even in summer :!: more plans; to take off some of my carpeting (which has been a real blessing :thup and good choice still) slather-on that coating under some beautiful redwood, in places in the cabin! :!: I miss the wood look of the old bulkhead. And of course, I must keep old RF in constant evolution of the perfect baby :mrgreen:
 
well dang gum R.F. is alive, just the other day I was thinking you've been mighty quiet lately. I would think the shelf life of the goo would be pretty long as long as it doesn't freeze. The carpet & wood should work well and look good. Carpet is my "fall back" position if I totally screw up the interior. Carpet/hull liner would sure make the interior a bit more homey and warm but I worry about it staying clean. How does your carpet hold up to fish guts and other related fish by products?

I ended up slathering some Behr Premium Plus interior flat enamel over the insulation. I really liked the white, dry wall look of the insulation so got the flat paint tinted to match that same shade of white. The paint dude suggested this paint as it will receive very little direct sun and this stuff contains a fungicide. I inquired about the flexibility of the paint and was assured it was rather flexible. applied it with a brush & roller, I like it.

Ya gots to keep puttering and evolving boats, that's half the fun. I think it would be time to start over on a new boat if a person ever finished

hummmm.....redwood accents...or cedar...gots to go my brain is spinning
 
" How does your carpet hold up to fish guts and other related fish by products?"

I thought that civilized C-Dorites lived nice compartmentalized lives:

1. Cooking in the Galley.
2. Bedroom activities in the V-Berth.
3. Fishing and fish cleaning in the Cockpit.


So what's this fish guts on the cabin carpet and walls stuff, anyhow?

Next thing you know some whacko nitwit will be writing about the virtues of having sex on the cabin roof top at night under the stars with whoever it is and we'll all be relegated to lunatic fringe status.
 
Sea Wolf":1nwlw37i said:
" How does your carpet hold up to fish guts and other related fish by products?"

I thought that civilized C-Dorites lived nice compartmentalized lives:

1. Cooking in the Galley.
2. Bedroom activities in the V-Berth.
3. Fishing and fish cleaning in the Cockpit.


So what's this fish guts on the cabin carpet and walls stuff, anyhow?

Next thing you know some whacko nitwit will be writing about the virtues of having sex on the cabin roof top at night under the stars with whoever it is and we'll all be relegated to lunatic fringe status.
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Where did you get the idea that C-Dorites are civilized? There is no place that I have not got fish guts, and whacko nitwit is my middle name.
 
B.C.- The Fringe are very proud of their culture, in fact, they're pretty chauvinistic about it. Think they're superior to everyone in some of their private practices, too. After all, as the saying goes, "40 million Fringemen can't be wrong!" Keep up the Fringe tradition and look for a handy spot to mount the bidet (but not on the roof).

Charlie- You grab whatever you want to while up on the roof top, I'll do the same! What are those short ropes, chains, and padlocks up there on the roof tied to the rails for on your boat?

Joe
 
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