Pain free insulation solution

Well, Richard said he/they only sell it in 5 gallong buckets, but from reading your posts, it doesn't appear to be a problem. I guess I'll have to consider covering the cabin ceiling, walls and inside the cabinets. Much bigger job and a PIA to mask...
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Localboy
I used the whole 5 gallon pail on my 25. I think I put 4 coats on the v-berth and 3 in the cabin, I agree its a pita to mask and spray, but I believe you will experience a significant improvement in the amount of condensation on your cabin roof and in the v-berth. At least that's my experience.



OK, I've finally took the time to read everything on the Mascoat website and kinda understand how it can reflect heat. But no mention of reflecting cold. Plus, the crappy wallpaper in my house had nearly a -10db effect until I removed it to find even crappier walls. 3 coats of midgrade paint gave at least -3db back. In another room, a hand mudded texture coat with paint removed all echoes period. I guess what I'm seeing is an expensive way to do common things without having the ability to keep my boat warmer from the cold of the water. Judging by the brat map, most of us have issues with the cold. I would imagine that it could reflect heat back inside the boat but, an ounce of heat in an ocean of cold will always loose. I've read the happy posts with it's benifits and can't speak for what they have witnessed. But, I also think of my boss who travels to Mexico constantly and tells me how its's the best place in the world, how its decreped streets and dirt floor restaurants are so cool, how may times he's seen and had to pay off the Federales with the machine guns, how little kids will snap an instant picture of him and say "I need 10 dollars for this picture or my papa will beat me", how many times he's returned home with Montezuma's revenge, how you're safe as long as you don't leave the resort compound, and take only the shuttle bus straight from the compound to the airport, how you can walk the streets of the local town as long as it's light out and you stay away from the major highways, and someday he's going to retire there. Seriously, all of this in the same story. It's like vacationing in Detroit in August. The point is, I'm not impressesd at that price. If the 2,3,or 4 coats had the final cost of coverage like a $30.00 a gallon paint, I'd be interested. Please don't think I'm causing trouble but, sometimes I feel that the emperor doesn't doesn't have any clothes. However, on the lighter side of truly space-age insulation, read up on this link about Aerogel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel I saw a hands on demonstration of this some time back. It is utterly mindblowingly amazing and uber-expensive.
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Seabeagle,

My 2009 Mexican experience was friendly people, great weather, an adventure driving the narrow Baja roads towing Meander, very interesting expats,(mostly American), wonderful cruising in the Gulf of California, no pedlars, either Mexican kids or adults (not counting the Canadian and American time share sales people),and even a Federale that let us go without a ticket or bribe after he stopped us for passing on a solid line. Others experience may be different.

Mascoat for me is like my Mexican experience. Very worthwhile. And for me, I've totally forgotten about all the work and expense it was to mask and spray, I just know that when Anne and I are out cruising somewhere between Mexico and Alaska, I BELIEVE that the Mascoat Delta T was worth the expense and effort to apply it. Others experience may be different. As far as the usual disclaimer. Being a Canadian I don't and/or can't work (in fact I haven't worked for anyone for a couple of years) for Mascoat or any of their affiliates or the Mexican government or travel industry. I'm just someone who enjoyed Mexico and someone who thinks there is a benefit to this type of insulation.
Cheers
Ron

Check out our Baja trip
 
Ron on Meander":1fw56dki said:
Well,Localboy
I used the whole 5 gallon pail on my 25. I think I put 4 coats on the v-berth and 3 in the cabin, I agree its a pita to mask and spray, but I believe you will experience a significant improvement in the condensation on your cabin roof and in the v-berth. At least that's my experience.
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Got any pics of how it looks now that it's completed? I think I'm gonna mask around the windows ~1/2" from the frames, following the radii as best as possible, and go to town. I'll then paint over the Delta and THEN pull the tape. Just a plan at this point, but I'm hoping it will at least look clean when done. I need a good project once the weather here warms up a bit.
 
Well I don't have any pictures of the after. Here's one of the "during" photos. Shows just how much fun you have to look forward too.! :P

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Got any pics of how it looks now that it's completed? I think I'm gonna mask around the windows ~1/2" from the frames, following the radii as best as possible, and go to town. I'll then paint over the Delta and THEN pull the tape. Just a plan at this point, but I'm hoping it will at least look clean when done. I need a good project once the weather here warms up a bit.
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I think we will stick with the sticky foam tape. I will take a few pics of the overhead space and I think you might be surprised how good it actually looks. I may not add more to the boat. The overhead space was the priority for head bumping the dripping then the lower walls for contact while sleeping. Beyond that, I doubt we need it.
 
Sounds good if it gives similar results to the other spray products but can be carefully brushed or rolled on. I would be willing to try that out if it saves me the dissasembly and masking of my boat. We are having some custom organizer panels built for the vberth walls and this might be a good simple product to paint behind them just for the anti-condensation values.
 
Here are a couple of pics of the overhead space in our V-berth with the foam tape applied. I admittedly did a quick (test) job of it and this could be visually improved but I was surprised how good it actually looked for the time it took. The tape has stretch to it and was very easy to apply on curved surfaces. It has already proved its worth for protecting my head against the hard overhead corners when nature calls in the night.

Greg

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Rob & Karen":3s5wybvw said:
http://www.hytechsales.com/prod150.html
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...the very high concentration of insulating ceramics and other pigments adds a high reflective heat barrier to the painted surface...
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Price is right, application is easier and hopefully the statement above is true. Give her a try and let us all know.
 
Rob & Karen":3sq5ta82 said:
The following insulating and sound dampening paint was mentioned in another thread by the owner of the boat Pluto. Since it is much less expensive and can be brushed or rolled on, I was thinking of giving it a try in my v-berth. A gallon should provide 2+ coats. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Rob

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I e-mailed these folks to see what they thought about using this for insulation. Here's their reply.

Hello,
The Acousti Coat would not be the best product as it has many of the same properties as an interior flat paint. The best solution would be the SC 1000. It is a high build acrylic elastomeric coating with multiple additives for sound and heat insulation. It is, frankly, what many products now on the market were modeled after (aka tried to copy). Information on this coating can be found here:
http://www.hytechsales.com/prodsc.html
Regards,
Support Team
Hy-Tech Thermal Solutions, LLC
159 Parkhill Blvd.
W. Melbourne, Fl 32904 U.S.A.
PH: (321) 984-9777

The SC1000 is $60/gallon, just like the Mascoat! :sad
 
I just ordered a gallon of the SC1000 product to try out. It was 88 bucks shipped and I plan to apply it with a brush/roller in the V berth. I will let you all know how it goes.

Greg
 
I ordered a gallon of Silent Running @ $120/gal from a local reseller. Shipping to Juneau, AK ended up costing more for Mascoat & HyTeck products. Silent Running (sr1000) can be applied by brush, roller or airless sprayer. Specs look impressive & it is Coast Guard approved for insulating and sound/vibration dampening.

Now I just need to find a heated garage to apply it :)
 
Two coats down and one to go. I have one gallon and it will be enough for three heavy coats on the side walls of the v-berth and the end wall where the anchor locker is located. That will give use plenty of untreated overhead panels to compare performance. The product is basic white and the thickest paint I have ever dealt with. I popped it open to stir it and realized there wasn't much point. It is some thick that it can really settle out. I would say it is like a Wendy's frosty that never melts if you are familiar with that treat. It does not drip at all and is very easy to apply with a brush. I am using a half inch for trim and a 2 1/2 inch for the walls and it goes fast and easy with each coat taking about 20 minutes. If it turns out to help significantly with condensation/noise, I will be buying another gallon for sure and do the rest of the v-berth not already covered with foam padding. We have grown quite fond of that foam.

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Thanks for posting Greg. Is the finish nice enough as it is or do you plan to put a top coat of something else on? Please let us know how it works. If you are happy with it I think I will give it a try. I am guessing one gallon would be enough for an entire 22 v-berth.

Rob
 
It dries flat white with a brushed texture and looks quite good. You could always have any paint store tint it for you for another color. I do not plan on any topcoat at all and I think a gallon would likely do at least a couple of coats in your boat. I plan to test it out overnight this weekend and will post my results. Third and last coat goes on tonight!
 
Well, I got three heavy coats brushed on the sidewalls and anchor locker wall and did not quite finish up the gallon. I spent two nights in the boat during the last few days and the results are promising. I would say the most noticable difference is less noise with thermal insulation coming in second. It is noticably quieter up there but I wouldn't call it warmer. I wish I had one of those thermometer guns to verify but I can feel the difference in temp between the coated wall and uncoated wall with the back of my hand. Don't get me wrong, they are both still cold but the coating makes is slightly less so. The condensation is severely reduced but I would not say it's eliminated. I slept all zipped up with the canvas cover and hatch closed to make it worst case scenario and generated the standard condensation issue we are all familiar with. The treated walls were dry except way forward and near the uncoated ceiling it was somewhere between clammy and slightly wet. The wall adjacent to me was wet where uncoated and dry where coated so it really does make a difference! I still feel the need for some soft thermal insulation from those walls down low where a sleeper comes in contact with them and I will use a simple long panel section of removable foam for that (pics tonight).

So the moral is, yes it does work primarily for sound and second for thermal insulation but is still a long way from warm a fuzzy. I will buy a second gallon and do the rest of the v-berth but not the sections I already have covered in 1/8 inch foam. The foam IS warm and fuzzy and we loved it immediately as head padding so it stays.

The product goes so far at least with brushing that I will also add another coat to the walls for good measure. Spraying may allow for a thicker build and better overall results but I will leave that to someone else with a masking fetish to try.

80 bucks per shipped gallon (2 total for multiple coats in the berth) is worth it in my opinion and I am wondering how I will resist coating more of the boat. If Cindie takes a real notice to the difference, she will want to do the whole boat. Cold is Cold so we will see if the quieting adds enough motivation.

Greg
 
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