NO MORE!!!"Pinholes" leaking water into dinette st

"not the flashlight thru hull thing"

The flashlight trick works if there IS a pinhole.

I was told there was a pinhole (on both sides no less). I was trying to help them find a pinhole. I was trying to help them fix a pinhole (that they'd marked). Now I'm being jumped on for being a pinhead . . . Oh well. I can only go on the info given.
 
Sorry flagold..my bad...my inexperience. That's been my descriptive term, initially used and maintained, as I had no idea there was a technical fiberglass term of pinhole! I used the description, because they are tiny holes, invisible to the naked eye unless water's coming out of 'em.

No Bayliners on our horizon, Mike! might rename the CatyMae to Cinker tho B~C...you still raft up to us? ar ar ar Just kidding, Jeff!
 
Not a problem -- hopefully it will simply be fixed now and you'll go on to enjoy it for many years.
 
You should take a flashlight and examine the inside of the hull very carefully, try to see if you can see an outline or resemblance of the Virgin Mary....you could be sitting on a freakin gold mine there....that water, could be tears
 
With humor as sharp as that you should sign on as A~C---, you can follow that through I'm sure.
Blue
 
B~C":30974cbe said:
You should take a flashlight and examine the inside of the hull very carefully, try to see if you can see an outline or resemblance of the Virgin Mary....you could be sitting on a freakin gold mine there....that water, could be tears
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A gold mine, it ain't...and it still leaks...2nd attempt by the factory was not a success. Now, we also have a small lake in the berth area portside...what a treasure THIS whole freakin thing has turned into! I don't know that we'll be C-Dory owners much longer..bummer...just not willing to pay huge sums for a new boat that leaks!

2 hours later...we've dried the boat out, ran a hose outside along the rubrail on both sides, waited a half hour and took a look. There are leaks in the v-berth area at the rubrail level that pooled LOTS of water on both sides (so it's NOT coming in through the windlass) -- the water that's under the forward passenger seat is coming from the v-berth portside, running along the ledge and dropping down that wall and out to the floor pool. We were assured the hose test was done...again.

Steve's question to C-Dory is still "How many leaks are permissible in a new C-Dory?" We feel everyone here may think we're nuts, but after drying the boat thoroughly, running a hose on it for 10 minutes, waiting a half hour and then finding pools in which you can splash your hand -- would you accept that? I guess our question remains "How many leaks are permissible?"
 
I guess our question remains "How many leaks are permissible?"
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Zero. There is no excuse.

Sheesh - this is incredible. How difficult can it be for them to remove the rail, fill the void with a sealant and reinstall the rail?

In the few weeks since this topic was started, there have been over 50,000 visits to this site by over 12,000 unique visitors. The various pages have seen 3.3 million hits in that time. I'm thinking this problem has cost CD a whole lot more in the long run than anyone will ever know.

I'm glad I am not in the market for a new boat right now, because I have met Caty and Steve and know that they are not raving lunatics. I have also read their posts on another forum, having many times more members than ours, about their excitement and delight in getting a new C-Dory. I have yet to read any mention of their frustrations with it on that board. They are not whining for the sake of whining; they want their boat made right.

Sorry. This one angers me.

Mike
 
well said
 
"Sorry. This one angers me." -- ditto. This kind of thing hurts us all. Fix it (factory)!
 
The C-Dory Company had better make this right and very quickly. I'm a stock and trust trader and believe me I have seen the value of a public traded company drop like a stone over night on less than this. Uncertainy in the quality of a product is the smell of death for future sales. Fix it fast folks or suffer a public relations nightmare.
Blueback
 
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I don't think it is as simple as caulking the screws. The leak on my hull was a section of the seam between the top and bottom that was not sealed. The inside of the screw holes on my 1996 are glassed over, as were those on my 1987, and couldn't leak if they tried. It is still a simple fix for someone adept at such things, but if the outfit that made it can't get it sealed, I don't think it is wise for the consumer to be dorking around with a hull under warranty. We ought to be giving these fine folks a little more credit for their assessment and demands. They might not have the skills to fix whatever it is, but they are certainly smart enough to earn the 60 grand to buy the thing.
 
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Well, next week, Steve's off work and we WERE going to spend it on the water in the boat...that's not going to happen, as the boat is uninhabitable. I told the dealer yesterday to come and get it.

Steve's going to speak with them at the factory (I won't, because I'm tired of their pleas and lies about fixing it and have totally run out of patience with them) and find out what the remedy will be. Taking this boat back to the factory again to repair it is not an option, as they've had more than enough opportunities to make it right. We received the pictures of the repair in progress, and it appears they did everything they said they would to fix it on the second factory trip. The boat is flawed, a lemon, if you will, and not acceptable.

As far as working on the boat ourselves...would you buy a new Corvette and tear into the engine because the valves were not functioning properly? We wouldn't, and I doubt anyone else would. It's a NEW, WARRANTEED purchase, and bandaids don't belong on the boat.

Signed,
Boatless in Jefferson
 
With all that has been said, and assuming that the majority of it is accurate, I think it is time that the factory offers to take the boat back and replace it with a new one. And right before the boat show would be an excellant time to do it.
 
This is indeed an extended case of quality control and product image getting out of hand.

A quick and final fix is absolutely necessary to preserve the C-Dory image as well as to produce a satisfied customer.

With the increased publicity afforded by this and the C-Dog website, one could easily conclude that there have been many more quality control issues occuiring in the past several years, due, perhaps, to to the increased production levels, new models, new employeees, etc.

I would hope that the apparant of lowering of quality of workmanship is more the result of the massive public reporting than of real deteriorioration in the quality of the product.

In either case, the bleeding has to be stopped!

Joe.
 
This is interesting. You know guys, just flash back to about this time last year at the 2004 SBS and Factory Gathering that Scott, Jeff, and the rest of the factory put together for us. We were all there simply because we own boats by a company that listens. Then, look back at all the post ever on any site dealing with C-Dory boats.... ONE of the many reasons we all like, are drawn to, and purchase these boats IS THE RESPONSE of the factory and their staff. I feel sure that when all told, this too will be corrected in some manner. My best feeling at the time, is some compensations have more than likely already been made...

Any body that makes a product can have something go wrong. Even best efforts to fix something may not work...but I feel sure that C-Dory more than likely has made some compensations to these TRULY UNFORTUNATE OWNERS....of this particular hull. I hope to meet them soon at the gathering. I know I would be angered greatly as most any of us would have been purchasing a new hull....or even a used one. It has to be frustrating on both parties. I know of ZERO folks who have not been made good on their boats by the factory. Something is weird on this and I feel sure it will be corrected.

Let's just all take a deep breath... and see what the next right thing to do will be for the 2 main parties here.... The Factory, and the owners of a new hull. The rest of us are really just siblings who belong to the same family.....AND CARE too.

Byrdman
TC-24, Hull #51
CDA-18, Hull #14
 
I've spent a good portion of my day looking around inside the boat, dowsing it with water, looking some more. I FOUND THE LEAKS!!! The leaks I found are in the screws that hold the rail on the front of the boat. I was just giving up, laid down on the berth, looked up to see a HUGE water drop on one of the screws that comes through into the v-berth -- and it lines up perfectly with where Steve marked the wall last night where the water appeared to start. I looked further and found another one toward the helm area that had a HUGE water drop on it and a puddle of water under it.

Folks, we got ourselves a FINE boat!!

I heard from my husband this afternoon the phone lines have been burning up and Scot and Bret are on their way on a flight down here to look for themselves. I'm only sorry haven't been able to make contact with them.

I want to say thank you Scot, Bret and Jeff for making our boat right -- I think between the dealer and us, we can get these screw holes sealed properly. Right NOW, the dealer and I are trying to reach Scot to abort his trip to Jefferson!!
 
Soothing words are nice and yes it is the season to be jolly. But we must stand together as we have so many,many, times to promote these boats and this no doubt has helped the company and dealer sales greatly. So we have played a very positive roll. But we must not site back either, in a comfort zone of "my boats OK" so it's really not for me to comment. Hey every time you promote a product you have the right to be heard for your concerns, to create a balance that the company would be wise to listen to.
 
Blueback, Jeff said they are changing their production process as a result of this situation. Lets hope it's a non-issue in their future!

Other comments have surfaced in this thread, and I'm hoping the issues with their boats are resolved -- and as painlessly as possible.

Happy Holidays everyone! Over n out from Jefferson...WE'RE GONNA GO FISHIN AND CRABBIN NEXT WEEK! Right after we tell our grandson we're sending him to Stanford for boys' basketball camp as his Christmas present :xnaughty
 
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