New TomCat 25

TWO-DAWGS":3hhf1nyt said:
Interesting comment by TC24 owner about water coming into the cockpit. I have backed into high-intensity 4 foot waves and only had a spray enter the cockpit. I have never had any water in the cockpit in well over 600 hours with my 24 no matter how much chop or wind. I wonder if there is a weight issue on that boat. Also, my boat has scuppers existing below the water line, not the flapper type. I have issues over the boat needing more horsepower, but I have never had any issues with the boat taking waves from any direction. It is the dryest boat I have owned. Are there any other TC24 owners with water entering the cockpit? Steve
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I think he is talking about water coming in thru the scupper flappers ( say that fast ). When we drift to halibut fish, the boat turns sideways to the wind which is usually sideways to the waves - and water comes into and goes out of the cockpit thru the scuppers. I have had NO water get into the boat from waves over the gunnels or transom. Not even close.
 
Hey Brats:
We have rubber exhaust type flappers on our TomCat and get no water in the cockpit after 2.5 years of use in all kinds of sea state. We used a small stainless bolt and nut at the top of the flap to reduce the flap tendency to open when wave pressure is from under the boat. Works great.
 
This little cat sounds pretty darn good. Does anyone have information on how the dive platform/dive ladder will be done? My main question is whether they can cut a 'door' through the transom so you can walk stratigh through into the cockpit instead of carrying yourself over the transom. With single tanks I'm sure its not a deal but with heavy doubles it sure would be nice.

Can anyone clear this up and what the options may be for this?
 
Luna C":2kikqyao said:
Ceck it out now, I think it is all up and available:

http://www.c-dory.com/24%20description.htm
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Thanks Luna - I already went through their website and have been watching the threads here as well as on the MSN Owner's Group and have been hungerily devouring any pictures which goes up :)

The website only states that a swim step/dive ladder is an option but does not mention anything about the transom and whether a cut-out door would be an option - I would guess that this may compromise the structural integrity of the boat, but I can not be certain. It does mention a hydraulic cylinder and I'm not certain what this is for, unless its to raise the ladder?

It would be great if there could be a cut-out of the transom and also a swim step which extends at least as far as the motor mounts. I wonder if there are any pictures available of this option? I'm getting hungry for pictures again :)
 
CA Diver, yes there are pictures on the factory site under the 'Pricing" options available. There is one of the swim step and one of the diving step ladder set-up, complete with stainless steel hand rails. It also appears that there is a molded step for ease in getting over the transom.
 
TWO-DAWGS":2vsebipf said:
Interesting comment by TC24 owner about water coming into the cockpit. I have backed into high-intensity 4 foot waves and only had a spray enter the cockpit. I have never had any water in the cockpit in well over 600 hours with my 24 no matter how much chop or wind. I wonder if there is a weight issue on that boat. Also, my boat has scuppers existing below the water line, not the flapper type. I have issues over the boat needing more horsepower, but I have never had any issues with the boat taking waves from any direction. It is the dryest boat I have owned. Are there any other TC24 owners with water entering the cockpit? Steve
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I took Molly Brown's advice regarding the fix :thup , and Brent who owned Cygnet at the time had a suggestion also to keep water from backing up into the scuppers when at rest. It's not an issue of taking waves as much as water creeping in the scuppers when the boat is at rest. Without the bolts thru the hinge part of the flap, the flap gapes open. We only have the twin 90's and nothing stowed in the rear.
Our scuppers are right at the waterline
 
I really like the looks of the new 255, but how the factory managed to add 2200 to 2400 lbs. to this boat is amazing. The 25 cruiser is only listed as 3200 lbs.

Come on factory guy's :shock: fess up
 
DaveS":3gx092l3 said:
CA Diver, yes there are pictures on the factory site under the 'Pricing" options available. There is one of the swim step and one of the diving step ladder set-up, complete with stainless steel hand rails. It also appears that there is a molded step for ease in getting over the transom.
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Dave,

Can you point me to the correct link where there are pictures of the swim/dive ladder? The link I was looking at is here: http://www.c-dory.com/24%20price.htm and there are no images, just text of the available options.

Thanks,
Paul
 
Paul -

I had the same trouble as you looking for the TC255 pictures. I think Dave might be refering to some pics of the TC24 with the swim step options. Those are right here, but will not tell you too much about how it will look with the brackets on the TC255.
 
The 255 Tomcat dive step and ladder is still being fabricated and the first version should be done in the next couple of weeks. It is a powder coated aluminum bracket that bolts between the two outboard brackets. It will have two handrails that bolt to the top of the transom and attach to the swim step much like the 24 Tomcat. There is a seat in the cockpit, against the transom that serves as a perfect step to go up and over the transom. I will post pictures on our website as soon as the step is installed. The diver swim step option also includes a second hydraulic cylinder for the port engine. This eliminates the need for a tie bar between the two engines.

Jeff
 
TyBoo":1uovfk6v said:
Paul -

I had the same trouble as you looking for the TC255 pictures. I think Dave might be refering to some pics of the TC24 with the swim step options.
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Yep, those be the pix, Tyboo......wrong vessel but nice pix! :wink
Thanks for the correction.
 
katkt":9s53659x said:
I really like the looks of the new 255, but how the factory managed to add 2200 to 2400 lbs. to this boat is amazing. The 25 cruiser is only listed as 3200 lbs.

Come on factory guy's :shock: fess up
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The TomCat 24 weighed in at 5500 Lb w/o fuel so the TC255 is really not much different than the old TomCat in weight. The comparison to the 25 cruiser isn't really relevant since these are two VERY different boats. The cat has a wildly different hull. In addition, the new TC255 weight includes the weight of the brackets. No fess'n up req'd....
 
rogerbum":29ppnxlv said:
katkt":29ppnxlv said:
I really like the looks of the new 255, but how the factory managed to add 2200 to 2400 lbs. to this boat is amazing. The 25 cruiser is only listed as 3200 lbs.

Come on factory guy's :shock: fess up
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The TomCat 24 weighed in at 5500 Lb w/o fuel so the TC255 is really not much different than the old TomCat in weight. The comparison to the 25 cruiser isn't really relevant since these are two VERY different boats. The cat has a wildly different hull. In addition, the new TC255 weight includes the weight of the brackets. No fess'n up req'd....
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The website, manual and articles they posted about the TC24 list the dry weight w/o power at approx. 3300 lbs.. The dry weight of the 255 w/o motors but including brackets is 6000 lbs..
I did a quick search for brackets looking for weights but didn't find what I wanted. If each bracket is 200 lbs.(?) that still leaves a 2k+ disparity. Even with the redesigned hull and cabin, I'm having a hard time finding enough additional material to equal the weight of a 22 C-Dory.

Was the factory wrong about the weight of the 24?
 
katkt":gs62mk6v said:
The website, manual and articles they posted about the TC24 list the dry weight w/o power at approx. 3300 lbs.. The dry weight of the 255 w/o motors but including brackets is 6000 lbs..
I did a quick search for brackets looking for weights but didn't find what I wanted. If each bracket is 200 lbs.(?) that still leaves a 2k+ disparity. Even with the redesigned hull and cabin, I'm having a hard time finding enough additional material to equal the weight of a 22 C-Dory.

Was the factory wrong about the weight of the 24?
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No you're right - the only numbers I could find on the site on the weight of the TC24 were in the trailering section where they said the "This package weighed in at 5500 Lb. less fuel". After some more looking around in other places, that must be boat + trailer as other pieces of info have the boat alone at more like 3300 lbs you quote - my mistake. I also couldn't find a decent estimate of the weight of the brackets online.
 
FaC-Dory Guy":13qf2f59 said:
The 255 Tomcat dive step and ladder is still being fabricated and the first version should be done in the next couple of weeks. It is a powder coated aluminum bracket that bolts between the two outboard brackets. It will have two handrails that bolt to the top of the transom and attach to the swim step much like the 24 Tomcat. There is a seat in the cockpit, against the transom that serves as a perfect step to go up and over the transom. I will post pictures on our website as soon as the step is installed. The diver swim step option also includes a second hydraulic cylinder for the port engine. This eliminates the need for a tie bar between the two engines.

Jeff
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Jeff - thanks, I can't wait to see them. Can I ask if there is a possibility of making a transom door which coincides with the dive ladder placement? :) In my opinion, this would be the best method for boarding the boat with heavy equipment on since we're mostly technical divers with lots of gear on - I realize that this probably doesn't apply to 99.999% of divers who purchase your boats so I know I'm in the minority ... but can't hurt to ask, right? :)

Tyboo - thanks, I though that might have been what he may have been referring to but was holding out hope that there were pictures of the dive platform on their site :) I'll have to wait and see what those guys come up with ... I'm very curious to see how it looks.
 
On the subject of weight, I weighed my TC24 as rigged with twin Honda 90s and full gas tanks on its trailer with downriggers and tackle on board and it was 6600 lbs. My 20 foot Olympic, rigged, with trailer, was 6200 lbs. So I think the TC24 is a pretty low weight considering the relative sizes. On the other hand, it looks huge on the trailer and scared the c**p out of me the first time I hooked it to my truck. I got used to it pretty quick, but I invested in a good weight distribution and anti-sway system to make sure the tail did not start wagging the dog. Steve.
 
TWO-DAWGS":33ms7yoe said:
On the subject of weight, I weighed my TC24 as rigged with twin Honda 90s and full gas tanks on its trailer with downriggers and tackle on board and it was 6600 lbs. My 20 foot Olympic, rigged, with trailer, was 6200 lbs. So I think the TC24 is a pretty low weight considering the relative sizes. On the other hand, it looks huge on the trailer and scared the c**p out of me the first time I hooked it to my truck. I got used to it pretty quick, but I invested in a good weight distribution and anti-sway system to make sure the tail did not start wagging the dog. Steve.
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Thanks for the info I haven't weighed our boat yet, but was pretty sure it was close to 6500 Lbs.. When I purchased the boat at Three Rivers, and did a mental calculation about the weight and asked them, they thought 6500#'s was way to high.
Your comment about the boat being a bit light for its size is something I wondered about also. I have thought that an extra 500 to a 1000Lbs. of additional glass and resin in the hull wouldn't have hurt a bit and the boat can certainly carry the load.
 
I agree the hull could hold much more weight. But I have a friend who really knows about fiberglass fabrication and he thinks the careful use of good fiberglass cloth and a true layered build up is much better and stronger than the typical heavy spray on process. He thinks the work on the TomCat is about as good as he has seen, especially the unitized construction of the superstructure with the hull. So I don't really think the hull needs more weight to be terrifically strong. To get a perfect balance in my boat, I have added 5 five-gallon plastic containers of water. A gallon of water is about 8 lbs, so that is about 200 lbs. That was just about right to get a little more weight forward and balance port to starboard. It cut through the chop with more authority with the added weight. I wouldn't add any more weight, though. The 90's are right on the edge of being adequate power as it is. Steve.
 
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