New Power for 2002 22' Cruiser

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Saralin

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C Dory Year
2002
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22 Cruiser
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Saralin
I'm re-powering the Saralin. My former outboard was a 2002 F80 Yamaha. Its life ended at 850 hours, which disappoints me a bit, but I'm still sticking with Yamaha. I'm trying to decide between the Yamaha 4-stroke 90 or 115. In my situation, the price is almost identical. The weight differnce is minimal. I realize I don't need the extra hp - usually, because I have some really fat friends! At the same rpm, the fuel economy differences will also be minimal. Any thoughts or inputs on why I wouldn't select the 115 hp?

Thank you for your inputs -

John (Saralin)
 
With the weight and cost the same, there is no doubt I would take the 115.

Rob
 
HP is like a gun or a tool or a lure, you might never need it but when you do need it you cant go back to the dock to get it. if the weight cost fuel is the same , or close enought not to matter, then get the 115.

I am also wandering why your f80 only lasted 800 hours?? thats nothing for a 4 stroke or even a well cared for two stroke. I got over a 1000 hours on my honda 90 in four years. hell I had a 76? 25 evenrude with 500 hours in two years and it ran great. I have no idea what hour the old owner had on it. I bought it in 96 and ran the hell out of it every weekend. It was running when i sold it.
 
i've had yamaha and honda engines. i personally would stick with honda's. have you given any thought for twin engines? i had twins on my c-dory and really liked the control as well as added insurance that if one engine failed i had a second to get home on.
pat
 
patrick and linda":hb9ibjyo said:
i've had yamaha and honda engines. i personally would stick with honda's. have you given any thought for twin engines? i had twins on my c-dory and really liked the control as well as added insurance that if one engine failed i had a second to get home on.
pat
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Oh no....here we go again!! :mrgreen:

Charlie
 
The f-115 is a proven 1.7 litre eng whereas the 90 is a 1.6engine not much difference for almost the same price within $500 I would chose the f-115 hands down .You will be able to put a biggerpitch prop maybe a 17in pitch vs a 15in pitch .So fuel economy would probably be the same .Resale would definatly be better .Usually no one wants to go down in hp .
 
Yamaha 115 - 412 pounds
yamaha 90 - 369 pounds

Kicker if you have one - 100 pounds

Two Batteries - 100 pounds

50 gallons of fuel - ?? pounds

C-Dory recommendation for max engine/battery weight is 500 pounds

2 batteries 100 lbs
I say keep the stern as light as possible for best performance and economy.
 
starcrafttom":1e6q4cto said:
I am also wandering why your f80 only lasted 800 hours?? thats nothing for a 4 stroke or even a well cared for two stroke.
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I second that - what the heck happened?
 
I'm running a F90 Yamaha and only have 12 hours on it but in the wot scenario it will run at 26 mph with a full cruising load full fuel and waer and groceries on board in flat water. Way too fast to cruise at for long. Gotta pay a lot of attention at that speed. Much nicer at 15 power isn't the issue, the 22 is rated to 100 and it's lots.
George
 
I have owned several of the Yamaha 115 4 strokes--one of the best engines made. The reason to choose Yamaha is two fold--one he has the boat already rigged for Yamaha. Second is that in salt water the Yamaha has less corrosion problems than the Honda's.
 
thataway":gumopmh4 said:
I have owned several of the Yamaha 115 4 strokes--one of the best engines made. The reason to choose Yamaha is two fold--one he has the boat already rigged for Yamaha. Second is that in salt water the Yamaha has less corrosion problems than the Honda's.
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And the service-ability for Yamaha is much better. Better access, more places, and easier parts availability.

AND, I'm not saying anything about the Twins idea but......

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There are reasons........ :thup :thup

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Also consider the new Yamaha 70. Red Fox is running one up in Alaska and really likes it because the lighter weight balances the boat better and compensates to some degree for the lower HP rating. I would get one if I were going to repower today.

Warren
 
Doryman":2m6sbq8s said:
Also consider the new Yamaha 70. Red Fox is running one up in Alaska and really likes it because the lighter weight balances the boat better and compensates to some degree for the lower HP rating. I would get one if I were going to repower today.

Warren
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Of course Greg is the same guy who used to talk about how extra weight on the stern was great and who used to run 115 and talk about the benefits of those extra horses.
 
rogerbum":3b4diwgq said:
Doryman":3b4diwgq said:
Also consider the new Yamaha 70. Red Fox is running one up in Alaska and really likes it because the lighter weight balances the boat better and compensates to some degree for the lower HP rating. I would get one if I were going to repower today.

Warren
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Of course Greg is the same guy who used to talk about how extra weight on the stern was great and who used to run 115 and talk about the benefits of those extra horses.
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He did say that didn't he.....He should run for a political office with John Kerry at his side..... :lol:
 
IF price is equal- I would get the 115. You can always throttle back to slow down.

If the plan is to do this this year, don't hesitate, as availability of Yamaha's is severely limited right now due to a plant shut down in Japan. They are back in production on a limited basis, but delivery times are at least two months out, and as demand picks up, thet will become longer.

If the dealer has it in stock you may want to snap it up. And of course supply and demand being what it is, there won't be any "specials" on Yamaha's anytime soon!
 
I really appreciate all the suggestions. I don't know why my F80 failed at 850 hours. Maybe I could have taken better care of it? Changing to another brand isn't an option. My good friend sells Yamaha. I bring him a little business, he brings me a lot of business.

Now the real problem -

Any Yamaha is hard to find in Florida right now. Due to the earthquake in Japan, the supplies are very low. We understand that it is not the engine itself, but the packing and shipping crates. If anyone in south FL knows of a new 115 hp, please let me know.

Best wishes, John (Saralin)
 
It just arrived this week and will be mounted by Friday. Finally ready to be back on the water, albeit a bit faster . . .

Thanks for these inputs -

John (Saralin)
 
You will love the f-115 it probably will go a lot longer and get better mileage . try a 17 pitch prop I have the cape cruiser with a f-115 yamaha with a 15 pitch your boat weighs 1000lb less so a 17 pitch will give you a 35-37mph at 6000rpm so you should get 20mph at about 3800-4000rpm I have a 17 pitch alum prop if you want to try it Im in Naples fl about an hour south . send me a pm Jim
 
I am about to install one on a C Dory 22 Center Console [Collectors Edition :D } I can get Yamahas now if anybody needs one .
Marc
 
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