Looking at shipping a boat - have some questions

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Hi all. It's been a while since I've owned a C-Dory. I sold my CD16A, what... about 5 years ago? Since then, my wife and I have been plying the waters of Prince William Sound in a 17-foot Arima Sea Ranger. And, while that boat has served us well, it's time for something bigger.

Enter: The very real possibility of AK Angler actually owning a 26-foot Cape Cruiser (I know... not technically a C-Dory... Good bloodlines, though).

Anyway, I made an offer (contingent on inspection/survey) on the aforementioned CC26, and should be flying to Florida next week to check it out. Assuming all goes well, I will eventually need to get it from Florida to Alaska.

So, to that end, I have a few questions.

1) How heavy is a 26-foot CC Marinaut with twin Honda 90's, and a bit of extraneous gear? It will be sitting on a Magic Tilt trailer that (I think) weighs 840#. I think the Honda's are about 380# each. The listed dry weight of the hull is 3800# (but I don't know if that includes all the factory installed gear - water heater, fridge, trim tabs, tanks, etc.). It also has air conditioning, and some electronics, including radar - but no radar arch. So, for shipping purposes, I'm estimating about 6000 pounds. Does this sound about right?

2) What would be the height of such a setup? I'm guessing about 11 feet with the radome mounted to the top of the cabin (no arch).

3) What would be the overall length? I'm guessing (again) about 30 feet.

4) Finally, does anybody have any recommendations regarding shipping a boat cross-country? I'm going to have to get it to Tacoma, where I can get it on a barge up to Seward. I'll be able to tow it home from there.
 
Contact this company:

http://sharpyachtstransport.com/contact_us

His name is Cory Gracy. He tows boat, many C-Dorys, from one end of the country to the other. He towed new boats to the east coast for the C-Dory factory.
He towed my 26' ProAngler CD from W. Palm Beach, Fla. to Wenatchee, Wash.for $3200. I picked it up there and towed it to Alaska.
He has a great reputation and lots of experence. Google him to see his info.

Jack
 
Cory is probably the best, most experienced C-dory hauler in the country, and always comes highly recommended. And he worthy of the rep. Mentioned here often and at one time he was occasionally posting here,
if I remember right.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon
 
I think you are a little light on the weight my cc23 with f115 yami and without air and no water and very little gear is 5100lb give or take 100lb
So you have 2engines(380ea) and your trailer should be over 1200lb and boat will be over 4000lb plus a/c batteries ,windlass , and extra gear
Boat = 4000lb
engine= 850lb
with batteries
trailer /spare 1200lb
extra gear 500lb
a/c etc.

total 6550lb

I think 6500lb -7000lb should be about the right weight get it weighed and let us know
 
In Florida the first class of trailer by weight is less than 850 #. I suspect the the owner got it tagged at that weight. I had to weigh my C Dory22 single axle trailer and it was 980#. My C dory 25 aluminum trailer was about 1250 on the scale. My C Dory 25, with trailer and single 130 was 6800 light on the scale. My C Dory 25 on the trailer, was 35 feet over all (the Tom Cat was 37 feet). You have to allow for the trailer tongue, and outboards tilted up for trailering.

Agree with Cory as the best transport--and arrange so that he is going out to the Florida with a new boat, to bring yours back on the return.

Height--on the trailer, no arch or support--probably going to be close you your 11 feet.

But if you need to know exactly have the seller measure the length and height, take the boat to the nearest truck scale and weigh.
 
I have a Pacific Trailer, tandem, galvanized with a spare,bunkboards and side boards for a CD 22 Cruiser. Scale ticket on the empty trailer is 1160#.

Hope that is some way helpful.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon
 
hardee":otewz5gz said:
I have a Pacific Trailer, tandem, galvanized with a spare,bunkboards and side boards for a CD 22 Cruiser. Scale ticket on the empty trailer is 1160#
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Interesting. I hadn't thought to weigh the empty trailer yet, but now I'm curious and will try to do so. I've always used a rough figure of 1/3 of the boat weight to guess at a trailer weight for a given boat. So, just for fun: If my rig (22 on tandem trailer, weighed at ~4500#) had your trailer under it, my rough rule would come out as follows: 4,500# - 1,160# = 3,340# (boat weight). 33% of 3,340# = 1,102#. Not too far off.

Sunbeam
 
ssobol":1ro7pv3z said:
The sticker on my Magic Tilt aluminum trailer (dual axle) for a CD22 says that the trailer weighs 600#.
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That's nice and light! I should have mentioned that my 1/3 rule-of-thumb is for steel trailers (I'm not as familiar with aluminum ones).

Sunbeam
 
There is no way a magic tilt or any other trailer weighs in at 600lb I have an alum tandem axcel trailer for a cc-23 and it weighs in at 1100lb . I have torsion axcel/disc brakes with 14in tires and wheels . Years ago I was a trailer rep for Continental trailers in Miami . The only 600lb trialers we had were for small skiffs and wave runners . Your trailer is your most important safety item please don't skimp on a good trailer .
 
I purchased a CC23 and had it shipped up from CA. Geared up with tandem axel Magic Tilt trailer she's a bit over 5000lbs and just under 30 feet trailer tongue to props.
 
Aluminum vs steel trailers have been a discussion for some time here.

First remember that only the main spars and cross members are aluminum; the running gear is still steel as are the hitch, brakes, etc.

So, from EZ Loader trailers:
3700 single axle steel: 926 lbs shipping weight
5200 dual axle steel: 1133 lbs sw
5200 dual axle alum: 993 lbs sw

So, adding a second axle costs 200# but increases hauling capacity 1500#. Aluminum saves 150#. A 600# trailer for safely hauling a C-Dory 22 probably doesn't exist.

Note that the single axle trailer weight agrees with thataway's weight listed above, so one may assume that the above weights are realistic.

Journey Ons (a 25' C-Dory,) roller, 2 axle, steel trailer costs 100# over bunks, and 200# over aluminum. Those weight saving can be compared to 8000# towing weight. The real savings come from corrosion resistance.

Boris
 
ssobol":3pz3jtgp said:
The sticker on my Magic Tilt aluminum trailer (dual axle) for a CD22 says that the trailer weighs 600#.
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I think I would be tempted to go back to Magic Tilt with the VIN# and get some verification for that weight. (Misprint on the label or something else going on?)

Harvey
SleepyC:moon
 
I would also be skeptical of the 600 lb weight.. but for example the trailer I mentioned had a spare tire (almost essential). The size of axle, and especially wheels can vary. For example on the Tandem axle for the Tom Cat each 8 bolt 16" wheel/tire was rated at about 3400 lbs (may not be precise--but withing a few lbs)--or the axle was rate for 6800 lbs. Also there are "yard" trailers, which are only made to move the boat from a storage place to a ramp or lift and are much lighter than a proper "Road" trailer.

I just checked my single Axle for the C Dory 22 and it has capacity of 4350 lbs on the trailer tongue. This would be the minimum size trailer I would consider for a C Dory 22. It as 15" wheels/tires to get that capacity. You can get tires which will carry over 2500 lbs per wheel, but there are limits to the axle as well as the frame etc. The caracal has 14" tires--and of course is a lot lighter boat.
 
It might be an inverted 6(9) maybe if it was alum with no brakes and 13in wheels it could weigh in at 900lb that is probably what happened ??
 
ssobol":jahdhrzz said:
I'm just going by what the sticker says. However, the MagicTilt trailer website shows all of their AL tandem trailers at less than 1000#, except for three of them.
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You definitely went to the source for your info. I knew aluminum trailers were lighter, but didn't know they were that much lighter. My curious side hopes you will get a chance to weigh it some time sans boat. (I'll be weighing mine empty now just to see; I imagine it's going to come up similar to Hardee's.)
 
Float on gives their tandem axle 21 to 23' trailer rated at 6,000 Capacity (6724) GVRW, with a trailer weight of 724 #. But I wonder what this includes? Does it include bunks, and trailer winch post, spare tire? I do know that in Florida they try and get the weight of the trailer as on the sticker down, because the tag cost is by the weight of the trailer, not the trailer with boat etc. (GVRW). Also Float on does not list any of their single axle trailers as suitable for a 22 foot boat.

By the way, some of these trailers do float. We had sold the 27 foot Rinker we had before the Tom Cat 255, and the new owner wanted to put it on the trailer at a local ramp where there was quite a current. I had suggested that he let me do it, but no--He also wanted to use his pickup--instead of my Excursion. Marie had backed down the trailer--and as the new owner lined the boat up--it was obvious it was not going to work--and then I watched Marie jump in the water, and tie a line around the trailer to lash it to a piling, so it would not be swept down current! I suggested that we pull into the dock, and then line the boat around under total control Nope--he was goning to do it. Result--bent fender, destroyed guide on on leeward side and about $500 worth of gel coat. Pickup would not pull the boat up the ramp (and it had no tow eyes on the front, so we could not pull him up with the Excursion)--but with 5 extra guys in the bed of the pick up--it made it!
 
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