Look What I Found

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hardee

New member
I know many of you know much more about poking around on the internet than I do.
I also know that it can have some surprising content.
Something I have never done before was this. I typed into the google search bar . . .
“c-dory images”
WOW, those are some really cool boats. Oh I know that one. I’ve seen that photo before, and on it goes as I keep scrolling down the page.
Then scrolling on down, wow there are a lot of them and OH WOW!!! That IS My boat, and OH, I took that photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mad_marin ... 737794199/

Wait a minute. What, How did I get here?

https://flickr.com/

And how did, and who is

madmariner.com

and why is that domain for sale and why does it have my boat photo, that I took and ? ? ? Why does it show up as Licensing available?

On “flicker” there are 19 C-Dory photos, 9 of my boat and several others of boats that I recognize. I am pretty sure I never signed up for a “flicker” account. Nor did I license any of my photos to any one called “Mad Mariner” for any use. And then there is another page of 201 C-Dory photos.

The Album statement about C-Dorys is from about 2008. I couldn’t find where I got that date from. Went back but missed it. This appeared to be the Mad Mariner album. Here is the statement:

“Album description
Few boats have achieved the cult status afforded the C-Dory 22. And why not? Tough and trailerable, the 22 will top 30 MPH with either twin 40 HP engines or a single 75 HP, and the base price for a brand new boat is only about $35,000, according to the company. Price and performance have made C-Dory owners some of the most loyal -- and active -- in the country.

Check out more at www.madmariner.com “
Click to expand...

So, What is going on here (there).
This is what Google says about Mad Mariner:

Mad Mariner - everythingaboutboats.org
https://everythingaboutboats.org › mad-mariner

Mad Mariner was an independent family of online publications and resources for boaters owned by Glen Justice. Mad Mariner ceased operations in mid-2010.
The popular and informative DIY Boat Owner Magazine was part of Mad Mariner at the time of its demise. Past issues may be viewed as PDFs. See our DIY Boat Owner Magazine webpage.

Mad Mariner Website: www.MadMariner.com Link N/G – OUT OF BUSINESS

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



So, Mad Mariner is gone, but the pix are still there. I was never a flicker member so how’d that happen?

Spent way to long on this rabbit trail, and now I’m about flummoxed.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Hey Harvey, it's the wild wild west out there on the frontiers of social media! It's what people are always yearning for - you know, no rules and something for free!

I've even heard of people finding ways to download music and videos without paying for them! I've even met a few. These people seem to view stealing other peoples' property the same way they view their obligation to pay taxes - whatever you can get away with is fine, even laudable.

If you post something of yours on the internet, or someone else posts something of yours on the internet, and you don't have an absolute army of techies and lawyers, your stuff is available for pretty much anybody who wants it.
 
Harvey - I came across this pic on the internet - http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_ ... _photo.php

Domenic is my cousins Grandson and his pic has appeared many places with several different captions and millions of views. It was put on his mothers facebook page to be shared with their family and friends. The picture was poached by someone and exploited without the owners consent. Facebook told them they had no legal recourse as any pics posted on their site were in a public domain.(?)

Apparently its a big fun free for all on the internet until someone gets hurt.

Regards,

Rob
 
My friend John Bibb took this photo at Marina del Rey, California in 2009 and I posted it for him. There are now hundreds of versions of it all over the internet, some claiming the boat launch to be in Australia and other countries.
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hardee":a5e288mp said:
I know many of you know much more about poking around on the internet than I do.
I also know that it can have some surprising content.
Something I have never done before was this. I typed into the google search bar . . .
“c-dory images”
WOW, those are some really cool boats. Oh I know that one. I’ve seen that photo before, and on it goes as I keep scrolling down the page.
Then scrolling on down, wow there are a lot of them and OH WOW!!! That IS My boat, and OH, I took that photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mad_marin ... 737794199/

Wait a minute. What, How did I get here?

https://flickr.com/

And how did, and who is

madmariner.com

and why is that domain for sale and why does it have my boat photo, that I took and ? ? ? Why does it show up as Licensing available?

On “flicker” there are 19 C-Dory photos, 9 of my boat and several others of boats that I recognize. I am pretty sure I never signed up for a “flicker” account. Nor did I license any of my photos to any one called “Mad Mariner” for any use. And then there is another page of 201 C-Dory photos.

The Album statement about C-Dorys is from about 2008. I couldn’t find where I got that date from. Went back but missed it. This appeared to be the Mad Mariner album. Here is the statement:

“Album description
Few boats have achieved the cult status afforded the C-Dory 22. And why not? Tough and trailerable, the 22 will top 30 MPH with either twin 40 HP engines or a single 75 HP, and the base price for a brand new boat is only about $35,000, according to the company. Price and performance have made C-Dory owners some of the most loyal -- and active -- in the country.

Check out more at www.madmariner.com “
Click to expand...

So, What is going on here (there).
This is what Google says about Mad Mariner:

Mad Mariner - everythingaboutboats.org
https://everythingaboutboats.org › mad-mariner

Mad Mariner was an independent family of online publications and resources for boaters owned by Glen Justice. Mad Mariner ceased operations in mid-2010.
The popular and informative DIY Boat Owner Magazine was part of Mad Mariner at the time of its demise. Past issues may be viewed as PDFs. See our DIY Boat Owner Magazine webpage.

Mad Mariner Website: www.MadMariner.com Link N/G – OUT OF BUSINESS

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



So, Mad Mariner is gone, but the pix are still there. I was never a flicker member so how’d that happen?

Spent way to long on this rabbit trail, and now I’m about flummoxed.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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At the bottom of the page, click on flag photo. Select
Intellectual property violation (DMCA) and email the folks at DMCA. I've had to do that dozens of times.
 
Phil, Thank you for the explicit direction. That will help.

Thanks for all the replies. I have yet to decide if I want to pursue this. I do have a bent against taking the photos and using for their (person that takes them) own gain. I doubt there is any money involved here, but I take issue with someone else claiming credit for my work. I guess I wouldn't be quite so ticked if they were giving me the credit for the photo.

Wondering IF, I have some deleted (maybe for personal security reasons) if there would be an issue with leaving some of the others. Thoughts on that?

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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I don't usually mind if someone is reposting my photos as long as they give me credit. I found a website for an aquarium/fish shop in Oregon that was using dozens of my and other friends' photos to sell their fish. They didn't ask permission. I asked them to either remove them or give me credit. When they refused, I had them taken down. The company went out of business a few months later.
 
Looks like the old saying, "You pay for what you get and get what you pay for" held true for them. Wouldn't have been that hard to give you the photo credits.
In my research on "Mad Mariner" it looks like he was taking photos from all over, not giving credits and may have suffered the same result. I am guessing there, but it looked suspiciously similar.

Thanks for your help here Phil, and I always enjoy your photos. Talent turned into art by effort.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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It was said before, and I'll say it again. If you put it on the internet, it's public. If you don't want it made public, don't put it on the internet. Any photo can be downloaded and uploaded. Every picture here in C-Brats is in public domain. Anything posted in Facebook can end up posted somewhere else, even if you set your privacy pretty high. I'm sure that's true with the swarms of other social media venues as well. Colby
 
I have to shake my head at what has happened with images, music, and other intellectual property these days. Some of you know that Joan and I were in the photography business for a good portion of our adult lives; not as a hobby, not "for the fun of it," but as our living. I also spent years on the Copyright Committee for the Professional Photographers of America; we fought to protect the ownership of images. (Our professional association sued and won settlements from the big offenders like Kmart, Walmart, and others who copied images without permission.) We retired from that in 2006, when it was apparent where the industry was going. Coincidentally, that was the year before the first iPhone was released. By that point, anyone with the slightest bit of skill could reproduce any image, regardless of the copyright ownership. Legal? No. Enforceable? Not without a financial loss. People stopped buying actual photographs when they could show, send, e-mail, text images on their phones.

Think that wasn't significant? Anyone remember Kodak? And film? Frankly, the image thieves won. Not because it was legal, but because it quickly became rampant. The professional photographic industry was decimated. You may see a watermark on some images these days - the owners of those images are hoping that will protect others from copying and using the image. It doesn't.

If you post it, someone can "grab" it. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it. You can make a fuss, even hire a lawyer to go after the image thief. Unless you can show financial "harm," don't expect it to go anywhere. And, in the meantime, another 1,000 people have copied that image and use it as if they own it.

It's the times we live in. Like common sense and good manners, the consideration of "owning" an image you post is a thing of the past. Sometimes, I miss those "good ol' days."
 
Thanks, Harvey. I still check in here regularly, just don't post as much. Lest someone think I'm an old curmudgeon regarding digital imaging: we were early adopters of digital technology in our studio. We converted from film back when a digital camera cost about as much as our first house. We had a full digital lab, capable of making prints from wall-size to wallets. It was a real boom to our commercial work, being able to create digital files that bypassed clients having to have 4 color separations made for their catalog or magazine ads. (Whoa - remember catalogs and magazines? :wink: ) For our fine art clients, we frequently made digital files for reproduction that topped 100mb... back in the early 2000s... when phone cameras had at best an 80kb file.

I brought that ability with us when we bought Wild Blue and started cruising (in 2006) - we were one of the first ones on this forum to make posts with images in real time... look through the "Cruising Adventures of Wild Blue and Crew" thread on the Grand Adventures sub-forum here (and on the "What I did on my C-Dory" thread before that). At that time, I intentionally reduced the size of images posted to eliminate them being copied... well, copied so they would look decent.

These days, I am making 360 videos for the fun of it. Interesting perspectives and views when out on our scoots. But, I know when I post an edited, narrated, music added (royalty-free) video, that took me hours to produce, that anyone can copy it.

Joan and I were talking about archiving digital images last night. With so many people only using a phone to capture images, what happens to baby books? There is value in a photographic image you can hold, beyond "Hey, look at this photo on my phone!" Oh, sure, you can save photos from your phone on the cloud or a memory stick... will you pass that stick down to your grandkids? Will they have the antique technology to pull up those images? :roll:

We can easily copy images... how do we create "lasting value"? One of the participants here once called me "a fame whore" because of the images I posted. I look back at those being like a digital diary. I started our blog back in 2008 so I'd have ownership of those posts and images. Most are slices of daily life that no one else would have any interest in copying. And, if for some reason someone would copy any of it, it is no loss to me. You have to go into it with that understanding if you post anything online.

TLDR version: many of us like to look at fun/interesting images; just consider them "free for the taking" if you post them online.
 
Thanks Jim, and I have looked at and enjoy your videos and the music...

This last summer I even had a chance to spend some time on a tritoon, and I now get that it is a real (type of) boat too.

Take care and will be seeing the new videos as they come out now.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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