Learning The Hard Way

journey on":1ia2wk3m said:
Mikey, I'm not sure what you expect from YOUR marina, but I've never had a marina (I would say boat yard) that was responsible for maintaining my boat. I may learn different from following posts, but any boat yards) I'm used to need definite instructions. All the marinas I've been in just provided dockage, not maintenance.

Just my experience.

Boris

This particular marina services my boat before storing it for the winter--lubing lower unit, draining water, cleaning hull bottom, and "other service as needed to insure spring start up." Last season they replaced a cracked bilge hose and a faulty trim piston. They also have had to trouble shoot the electrical system to find out why my battery went dead. They do not want the owners to work on the boat or let other mechanics work on it.

But they have missed a couple of items, too. For example, the wife's runabout was not drained of water well enough to prevent freeze plugs from popping out one winter.
 
At first look it seems steep, but I think about the service that was rendered and the parts/labor and it seem in the fair range to me. BTW, the going rate in Wasilla/Anchorage is about $125-$200 and hour and then the parts are marked up about 25% for the "hassle" of ordering them, in addition to any shipping, from the lower 48. I think it is nice touch......

I hate taking the boat in for anything as often it takes me longer to get it to them then it does to do it myself.....And then I get the bill and I even less happy....But I could be far worse, at least with the bf 45s one can work on them with basic hand tools.
 
Well, here's the next step. After getting the engine back from a Honda dealer in Bellingham, I tried starting it. Didn't start well, but it started. Went to Anacortes and tried it there. Didn't start. Called the dealer and apparently they don't check the automatic starting circuit when the rebuild the carburetor. Clearly that's my problem, even though it's a jet circuit in the carb. The !@#$ motor has an acceleration pump, so if I turn the handle a lot it will start, and I'll sort the carb problem out this fall.

I repeat, servicing your boat is your responsibility and no-one else will take responsibility for that. When I do my own work, and I do screw up, it's my job, my responsibility and up to me to fix it. Beats arguing with a mechanic, marina, dealer, whatever. And certainly cheaper, plus it gets the job done right. Also means that you learn some things you don't really want to know.

Boris
 
journey on":3qamyvwk said:
Well, we're here in Bellingham, finally, and the kicker will not start. Took it to a Honda dealer, the same one as Joe and Ruth I think, to have the carburetor cleaned. The estimate was $125 and I left it. Borrowed a motor from really, really good friends, and came back a week later. The bill was twice the estimate ($250), and no discussion. Noticed that I got charged 1 1/2 hrs of shop time at $99/hr, so Joe, you got the local discount. Got charged for an exhaust gasket (no, not inlet,) and the inlet fuel filter, which looked good to me when I checked. Told that there was algae in the carb and the carb was complicated, and the oil level was high. Both were new to me. I passed on the new propeller, zincs, etc, etc.

(Stuff clipped)

DO YOUR OWN SERVICE. And if you can, your own repair. And drain you carbs when you're out of the water. I thought I had.

Boris


Boris,

I wonder if you noticed the age of the thread that you went back to. Joes "local discount" was from 2004. Maybe it was a time capsule discount instead :shock: Sorry you had trouble with the service. My not being a mechanic, I rely on my regular mechanic for doing what needs to be done, and they know they have about $100 slack. Anything over that and we talk.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
This is the guy you want ..........

Oppornockity, as the story goes, was retired from the marine industry. Those who knew him well, claim the old gent had played a major role in the marinization of the smallblock Chevy V-8. Other knowledgeable sources say no, it wasn't the Chevy V-8 but the first 100 horsepower outboard motor, a black-cowled beast assembled somewhere in Wisconsin. Some even murmur that without Oppornockity, James Wynn would never have been able to introduce the first stern drive, the Volvo Penta Aquamatic.

Those particulars matter not in the telling of this story, which begins when the man retired from the marine industry. With nothing to fill his days, Oppornockity soon became bored to tears. So to break up the monotony, he started tuning neighbor's and friend's outboard motors and inboards. Whenever the master worked on a motor, the results were immediate and drastic. Shameless gas guzzlers were magically transformed into miserely fuel sippers. One fellow swears that after Oppornockity tuned his Evinrude 18 horse, he had to drain-off all the extra fuel that accumulated in the six-gallon tank because the engine generated gasoline instead of burning it.

At Oppornockity's hand, once doggy motors stood and growled like a tiger. Mere six-bangers accelerated a heavy boat like a big block V-8 was strapped between the stringers. One small block with a four-barrel Holley grew so powerful it kept shucking propeller blades right off the hub! As the story goes Sea Ray had to custom fabricate a titanium wheel to stand up to all the torque. Well, you get the picture.

Oppornockity was so good at what he did that it didn't matter whether he was working on an inboard or an outboard. The man was an undisputed master at accurately setting breaker point gap and ignition timing. Nobody could adjust a carburetor idle mixture as perfectly as he did. Although I never witnessed it personally, I have been told by a reliable source that Oppornockity could drop a stern drive lower unit, replace the water pump impeller, and bolt it all back together again in nineteen minutes flat. And that was when the gearcase was corroded solid with the exhaust housing.

Even better than his lightning-fast speed-wrenching, the man worked dirt cheap. He only charged for the few parts needed to make the repairs. Labor was provided absolutely free. With a deal like that, Oppornockity's name became golden. Folks swarmed in from miles around wanting the man to work on their boat. He generously accommodated all the boaters he could, given the limitations of an eight-hour day.

There was only one catch. He'd tune your boat motor once and only once. Period. After that, no matter how hard you pleaded, no matter how much money you stuck in his face, no matter what you threatened, he would never ever again peek under your engine cover or cowling. One time was the limit no matter who you were, a head of state or a pauper. Predictably, not everybody got the message.

One balmy, summer day, a fellow named John showed up at Oppornockity's door. John was a pleasant enough. After all, Oppornockity had made him very happy with the tune-up he had done on John's boat. But this time Oppornockity turned down the request for a second tune-up. John, basically a spoiled man-boy resorted to begging and pleading. He desperately wanted old Oppornockity to tune his inboard just one more time. Oppornockity refused him just like he everyone who had come before him. Nothing personal you understand, Oppornockity patiently explained. That's just the way it was out of fairness for all concerned.

As I said, early on John was the kind of guy who refused to take no for an answer. In contrast, Oppornockity, was always the perfect gentleman, and he patiently listened until it was his turn to speak. Then he politely, but firmly, repeated what he had already told John. One tune-up per customer, period. But John still wouldn't take no for an answer.

Finally, after forty-five minutes of non-stop cajoling and wheedling, Oppornockity interrupted John to ask one simple question: Hadn't the young feller's daddy ever told him that Oppornockity only tunes once. . ?
Marc
 
Mark, you're absolutely right, opportunity only knocks once. And as far as I'm concerned, it's time to move on and find out what I need to do.

I'm still disgruntled.

Boris
 
What is it with marine technicians and the marine industry in general?

Because of shabby mechanics, questionable dependability of motors and the high prices of the aforementioned I got out of boating for an extended period that has only recently ended.

My new-to-me beautifully re-fit 1970 Whaler classic with a low hour 2003 Yamaha 70TLRB 2 stroke has been a pleasant surprise EXCEPT (to iterate my first point) for the terrible stuttering between (roughly) 1100 rpm and 1350 rpm. Two carburetor re-builds later and no change in the problem. Though, unbelievably, I did receive a 100% full refund for the carb work.

cv
 
Are you using Ring Free? Did you perform a leak-down test and check the compression? Did you clean the cylinders with combustion engine cleaner then change the engine oil ?
 
Marc, please do comment. Doesn't hurt to remind us that to provide the service, you pay rent, salaries, even when the mechanic isn't doing billable work, insurance, special tools, training - what am I leaving out? There's a lot of cost just to open the door in the morning. There's a lot of attention necessary, after all that, to be sure the job gets done properly. My hat is off to the mechanical service that gets it right.

I admit, though, that I do most of my own servicing on vehicles and outboards. Years ago someone suggested the concept of the Fool Tax, which is sometimes paid by the person who attempts a repair he doesn't know how to do. It may be a twisted off bolt, or a fatal part put in backwards. If it's not too big a tax for you personally, keep on doing your own work. If it is very large, you should leave the jobs to the pros.

Please do give your perspective, Marc.

Dave
 
cruiserlessvinny":1kplmqvf said:
What is it with marine technicians and the marine industry in general?

Because of shabby mechanics, questionable dependability of motors and the high prices of the aforementioned I got out of boating for an extended period that has only recently ended.

My new-to-me beautifully re-fit 1970 Whaler classic with a low hour 2003 Yamaha 70TLRB 2 stroke has been a pleasant surprise EXCEPT (to iterate my first point) for the terrible stuttering between (roughly) 1100 rpm and 1350 rpm. Two carburetor re-builds later and no change in the problem. Though, unbelievably, I did receive a 100% full refund for the carb work.

cv

Totally agree!!

Too many marina operators are out just for the almighty dollar and not for good service. My marina owner is supposed to look over my engine before launching, but last season we had a fuel line burst inside the cowl while underway. I had pointed out the deteriorating line outside the cowl a year before.
 
BrentB":qgsc80fx said:
Are you using Ring Free? Did you perform a leak-down test and check the compression? Did you clean the cylinders with combustion engine cleaner then change the engine oil ?

You have an 2 stroke so no oil to change. Which 2 stroke oil are you using? Have your replaced and properly gapped new spark plugs?
 
Compression is beautiful on all cylinders. Yamalube for oil. New properly gapped plugs etc. etc. I do all of the service I can on my motor but leave the technical aspects of any mechanical repair to mechanics.
Here is a comment from another boating site that echos the reason for my comment:
I try binnacle starting resets/procedures but my dealer said try hit the black thing on the side of the motor (once the cowling is off) with a hammer. It works - every once in a while - eventually... but - crickey this is 2011 motor! (with a few dings now). I don't see anyone else hittting their Mercury's, Yammies - to get started.

Pretty much all industries, service providers and businesses have a wide variation in the quality of the service or product provided. My point is that the marine industry appears to have a dispropotionate number of customer complaints.

Don't want to be a "puddin' stick" and would just as soon no longer respond to this thread.
cv
 
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