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Charlie one shoe

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Merry Christmas to all C-Brats, I have been reading all C-Brat forums for a long time as a guest and have really enjoyed the info, pictures and chat. Now I am a member and most important a C- Dory owner.
I was lucky to buy a 1988 22' Angler at an estate sale that had been stored in a barn for the last ten years. It was in great shape ( boat wise) but need to up grade the power. ( old 70 Johnson ) Plan to go with a 90 hp 4 stroke , not sure to go Honda or Yamaha ... whata think??
Older electronics but they all work fine, upgrade them a little at a time.
My last boat was an Boston Whaler Montauk an loved it but it was a little wet, looking forward to meeting some of you C-Dory owners this year at my good fishing holes at Bodega Bay, Ft Bragg and Crescent City.

Forgive me if I have not posted proper ! ... Charlie one shoe ( Chuck )
 
Welcome Charlie, post is fine, in fact, I can't think of a 'non-proper' post! Both outboards are fine, I'd look to your closest major dealer for advice. Would that be Guenter's Outboards in Sebastepol?

Good luck with your C-Dory, sounds like you have a good start on what's needed.
 
I have the e-tec 90, what a great engine, nothing to say bad about it, all good, but I do have a honda 10 horse for my kicker motor and it is great as well, I am very happy for you, you will enjoy your c-dory very much and welcome aboard as a c-brat as well, bring it up to newport this summer and we will fill it up with tuna and halibut, enjoy, hope to see you out there sometime. :thup :xtongue
 
Thanks guys, I have talked to Guenters, He is a dealer for both Honda & Yamaha. Honda is carb. & Yamaha fuel inject. Kinda like fuel injected. But not sure which is best way to go .

Charlie
 
Shux, the are both about as trouble free as you can get. I ran a pair of the new Honda 90's for a while, and they are super. Light, quiet, and strong. The 90 produces over 100 h.p. at max rpm. But Yami and Suzy are just as reliable IMO. All depends on your dealer. I had great service from my 90 ETECs, and they require less maintenance. Decisions, decisions. :lol: :lol:

It's win, win IMO. Good luck on your choice.

Dusty
 
Not sure, but I think Honda dropped the carbs on the 90 when they came out with the new EFI engine. I have thousands of trouble-free hours on the old Honda 90 carb engines.

Duster
 
Charlie-

I bought my 2005 Yamaha 90 EFI engine from Gunther's. Great engine, service, and price. Bought the Yami because it was (the first year of) the new fuel injected, DOHC, motor. It was much more advanced than the carbed Honda 90 at the time. I did not want a carbureted engine, or an older design motor like the classic Honda.

Gunther made me a deal where he bought a motor with a dented packing crate and it sold me for about $1000 off, and then sold my old main motor and kicker for me without commission. (The motor wasn't even scratched. The shipping companies won't ship anything with a dented/damaged container because of insurance come-backs, so the importer sells the units at reduced prices. The Yamaha import point for the West Coast is in Seattle.)

I'd never go back to a carbureted engine, unless I was alone in Africa or the Amazon, and had to do all of my own service work! The fuel injection is light years ahead of carburetors, especially in starting, cold weather operation, and automatic adjustment to changes in elevation and atmospheric pressure. (Automatic adjustment w/o changing the jets of the carburetors.)

The new fuel injected Honda 75 and 90 are lighter than the older Hondas or the Yamaha. They are built on a new engine block, have have gone from a ~1600 cc block down to a displacement of 1500 ccs.

Only the 90 has the VTEC adjustable valve timing, and it only kicks in above either 5200 or 5300 rpm, putting it out of range for normal cruising and operating rpm range for a C-Dory. I've heard that the 90 develops over 100 hp at full throttle, but that would be at really high rpm. (Motors must develop + or - 10% of their rated horsepower to be APBA certified, as I remember.)

Probably the 75 and 90 have very similar hp and torque curves up to about 4800 rpm or so. This would also probably true of the 75 and 90 hp Yamahas.

Best Recommendation?

I've had flawless, electric motor like performance from my Yami 90, but just don't know from personal experience about the new Hondas.

To me, it would seem about even, so I'd ask Gunther about it, and, more importantly, ask Stuart, the service technician that works on them both at Gunther's, then decide, also using the information you gather here.

The basic problem with all the information you will get from owners, is that most all of them only have experience with one or the other of the latest model motors. Only a dealer that carries both will probably have a wealth of experience with both. The owner/manager/salesman will sell you on what he's got or makes more money on, but a friendly relationship with the service technician will more likely get you the bottom line on how they hold up and whether the engines are still full of bugs!

Tell Gunther, Stuart, and Smiley (yard man) that Joe / Sea Wolf / from Redding says "Hello!"

Hope This Helps!

Merry Christmas!

Joe. :thup :teeth
 
Good advice, Joe. The new Honda 90 EFI is a jewel IMO. Turbine smooth, and turns to 6300 without a grunt. No history on it yet, of course. EFI is OK, I agree. OTOH I've had thousand of hours absolutely trouble free with carb engines. Even have an old Yami 100 now that is like new after 7 years. Gotta run 'em dry, though. Old gas, even weeks old, sitting in the carbs will give you heartburn.

Dusty
 
The length of time gas can sit in your carbs must be a regional thing, maybe amount of hot/cold temp delta or the humidity factor perhaps. I used to run mine dry, hitting on all 4 cylinders (F80), then 3, then 2, then barely (and really rough) on 1. With all the racket with it down to 1 or 2 cylinders I felt it was harming the engine more than doing good, so I stopped doing it about 2 yrs ago. The gas has sat for as long as 2 months +, no discernable problems with starting, running or idling. I do use Sta-bil though, along with its fuel stabilizer, it has a built-in cleaner.

There are others here in the Southwest that don't do anything special and haven't had any problems either, they don't even use Sta-bil. So I wonder why?
 
Greetings and welcome. Congrats on finding a gem of a boat for yourself! Both the Yamaha and Honda are now fuel injected. The Honda has some very exciting additional technology upgrades (cooling, charging, VTEC, BLAST,lighter) but is, alas, unproven over time. My guess is it will provide the same service as other Honda outboards: top flight. I came very close to choosing the new Honda 90 for my new boat last year, but was unwilling to stick my neck out on a first-year redesigned motor. By now the dealers should have some track record. I wouldn't rule out The Evinrude E-Tec 90 either. Contact Les at EQ Harbor service after the new year and he'll give you the honest skinny. You'll likely be very happy with any modern 90HP outboard. Disclaimer: I am a very loyal Honda customer. Later, Mike.
 
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