following sea

Steve,

Check the response number on your display. From the factory, it was set on 5, and worked fine, but the other day, when it was a little rougher, and I had the seas at my back, it would drift down wind .02 to .03XTE. I tried raising the response to 7, and bingo it gradually steered back on course and the cross track error disappeared.

Check also to see if you have the G series corepack. It's the advanced system that virtually eliminates drift and cross track error. If you don't have it, you can upgrade to it.
 
Interesting. I had the similar random tracking performance with mine - sometimes it worked - sometimes it couldn't hold a waypoint. I also saw large deltas between the ship's heading and the course made good - in the 20-30 degree delta mode (and not because of current either).

My tracking difficulties went away when I replaced the core unit (and flux compass) a couple months ago. I wonder if the new unit had the newer software? I never heard of an upgrade, and haven't found it on the Raymarine website. I will keep looking to see if I can find anything..

I do still see significant deltas between my ships heading and COG -not as large, and it doesn't seem to interfere with anything now ('except radar overlay I suspect). I've re-run the sea trial cal - no big diff.

Mac
 
Mac,

There are two versions of the ST6001, with the "G" version having "a built in Rate Gyro for improved performance through Raymarine's AST (Advanced Steering Technology)". I assume you are using hydraulic steering also. For our size boats, we would use the S1G corepack.
 
Yep - I've got the S1G corepack, with hydraulic steering. I still can't find anything regarding an upgrade to it however...but this one works and my previous one didn't!

Mac
 
I also have the Gyro system. I have been adjusting the rate value but I don't think I got above 4 or 5, maybe I just needed to go higher. I had to remove all metal from under the sink/stove cabinet to get decent functioning.
Mac, if you get the setting I would like to compare with mine, but not sure when I will be getting out again.
Steve
 
Sure will, Steve-

I'm headed out tomorrow early to catch the tide at our channel, and run up to Sequim. I'll try to remember to jot down the settings so I have 'em.

btw - I measured 40 kts at the house this afternoon - and I'm protected by the hills behind my house. They measured 50 kts in Mukilteo...Ooch!

Mac
 
Sea Wolf":6mj0b9gj said:
Kris-

Sounds like you've been there, done that!

I noticed you just joined up today. Welcome to the C-Brats!

How long have you had the C-Dory, and how long have you lived in Hawaii? Is your boat trailered or moored? Do you know of any other C-Dorys there?

If you'd like an album in which to put photos of your boat and other activities, Mike (Tyboo) or Bill (Da Nang) can set one up for you.

Nice having you aboard! Joe.

I'm fairly new to boating, but have been learning as much and as quickly as possible.

I'm originally from Canada and spent most of my life landlocked but dreaming of an oceangoing vessel. I moved over here about five years ago and bought the C-Dory about a year ago. I'm the second owner, she was purchased and shipped over here new.

My boat is moored at my home in east Oahu. We live in a condo that's on the marina and has moorage.

I try and take her out every weekend. Most of my time on the water is spent bottom fishing but I have done some big game trolling with her.

I have seen one other C-Dory here, I believe it was an angler. They are not very common here, although I think they are very well suited to these waters and conditions.

I would love to have a folder to share some pictures. I need to take some new ones first! Maybe this weekend I will snap a few.

Thanks for the warm welcome, it's really fantastic that there is such a vibrant community around these wonderful boats!

All the best,

Kris
 
Kris-

Thanks for the reply! It's nice to hear from new members about themselves so that we can become better aquainted more quickly.

Glad to hear you're enjoying the C-Dory and fulfilling a dream. Be sure to ask any questions you have as there are plenty of us out here willing to share our ideas with you. Joe.
 
Hi Kris,
You need to watch out for those surf breaks. I have heard the surfers can get real mean if you try to share their waves - especially with a C-Dory! :shock:

Glad it turned out okay with that 7ft wave. I am sure you have some great cruising in your area. One day I hope to get to Hawaii but won't be able to bring the C-Dory. :|

Steve
 
Ok, fellas, I'm getting confused here.

We started talking about control in following seas, then branched off into Autopilot malfunctions (a very good subject), and are also dealing with a related topic (cavitation in quartering seas) on the other web site (C-Dogs).

Maybe we should get Tyboo or Bill to separate the Autopilot discussion from the following seas one for sake of clarity.

Then I have a question after re-reading through the discussion up 'till now:

Are you folks with the autopilots using them in following and quartering seas of any size? If so, I think that something doesn't match up here with what I learned from 30 years of sailboat racing, namely that it was ultra important to steer actively through each wave to make use of the energy in the wave and present the hull to the wave properly to minimize forward resistance and generate maximum forward speed. This puts you in control instead of the wave. You have to make it your friend, not your enemy.

Active steering to promote surfing and to minimize forward resistance to the boat results in steering a weaving pattern as one feels the forces of the waves acting on the hull and steers to slip forward with minimal resistance and maximum speed. This is harder to sense and do in a boat the size of a C--Dory than a light 15-20 foot planning sailboat, but the process is the same. Probably takes longer to learn in a heavy, less sensitive boat.

Make the wave push the boat forward on the wave's front side, surf down and across the wave face, and, when necessary or possible, climb the backside of the next wave ahead at the lowest possible angle and then drop through the lowest point in the crest and start down that wave's front face and begin the process all over again. This usually results in a more or less continuous but variable "S" course pattern, not a straight line.

Another variation here is to try to vary the throttle to stay on the front side of the wave, letting it push or surf you along, trying to stay ahead of the wave's peak behind and avoiding digging the bow into the trough ahead.

With the C-Dory's tendency to get it's butt pushed around by following and quartering seas and the subsequent tendencies to dig in the bow and broach, careful throttle control and placement of the boat in the wave forms becomes of paramount importance. And the last thing you want to do is just play the "paralysis game", letting the wave do what it will with you!

Now I know the C-Dory isn't a surfboard or a sleek narrow displacement hull, but it seems to me if you're using an autopilot to steer an absolute straight course through following or quartering seas, you're "dead sticking" it, rather than delicately piloting the boat through the moving sea of energy waves.

I'm not trying to pick an argument here, but I know it's better to steer through this stuff than to point the boat and hold on.

We used to take the C-Dory out at Half Moon Bay below San Francisco and had to come in around the reef that stick out from Moss
Beach and generates the Mavericks surfing paradise in the winter.

Now we didn't go over the reef with the surfers in the 20-30 footers, but as we began to go down and around the reef, the swells became increasingly gentle as the wave faces spread out, and when they reached a reasonable level where I felt comfortable with it, we'd drive up over a big one and launch down and across the face for a ride. What I knew from small boats had instant application and my instincts were right.

Smaller swells and chop aren't much different, except that it's sometimes very hard to find a discernable pattern to make the steering task easy and one has to rely on the instincts developed in more uniform conditions to sense how to make the best use of the waves and, more importantly under these conditions, find the easiest path forward, much like going forward into confused seas.

I guess I really miss the swells and larger waves we used to experience before moving inland. Sometimes it was pretty scarry, but the adrenaline rush and thrills of staying upright and on the edge made for quite exhilarating rides. Still blowing 40 up in the Sound? Joe.
 
orfelia":37xnee0v said:
I would love to have a folder to share some pictures. I need to take some new ones first! Maybe this weekend I will snap a few.

Kris -

Well, I don't know if there is much scenery way out there in them islands, but on the off chance there is, we set you up with an album. You can find it on the list in alphabetical order, or just click the link in the profile info to the left of all your message posts.

Actually, I am pretty sure your pictures will be pretty popular to lots of us. I am so anxious to see them that I set up your album in the middle of the night after working 16 hours. (Don't feel too bad for me - they paid me for it, and I get tomorrow off to prepare for the trip to Sequim. I suckered them right into this one!)

I don't recall ever seeing any C-Dory pictures from the Hawaiian Islands. Thanks for looking us up and joining this little bunch of fine folks. And thank you very much for the forthcoming pics!

Mike
 
Maybe we should get Tyboo or Bill to separate the Autopilot discussion from the following seas one for sake of clarity.

What?!? Orderly and organized, you want? I bet you were a strict teacher! Well, OK, it's a good idea. But please remind me or Bill when we get back from Sequim Bay. I used up all my nearnerdness making a Hawaii CD album, which seemed way more important.

Thanks.
 
TyBoo":3e7490eu said:
orfelia":3e7490eu said:
I would love to have a folder to share some pictures. I need to take some new ones first! Maybe this weekend I will snap a few.

I don't recall ever seeing any C-Dory pictures from the Hawaiian Islands. Thanks for looking us up and joining this little bunch of fine folks. And thank you very much for the forthcoming pics!

Mike

I added a few pictures, they are fairly old (from when I first bought the boat) and I threw in a few pictures from around the neighborhood. I'll be taking some new pictures in the coming weeks. I don't usually take a camera with me, but I should. Several times I've been out and seen whales, dolphin, turtles, sharks and other sealife. There's a tropical depression right now, so it's not the best weather to be out -- but I'm an optimist so I'm expecting good weather for the weekend!

Reading through the site and browsing through the pictures, it seems like a great group of people.

All the best,

Kris
 
seabran":2jxzb97g said:
Hi Kris,
You need to watch out for those surf breaks. I have heard the surfers can get real mean if you try to share their waves - especially with a C-Dory! :shock:

Glad it turned out okay with that 7ft wave. I am sure you have some great cruising in your area. One day I hope to get to Hawaii but won't be able to bring the C-Dory. :|

Steve

This is true, cutting in on someone's wave is a major offense. The area that I was in is fairly close to a famous surf break called "china walls." I was far enough out to be clear of that specific break, but there must be a ledge or something out about 1/8th of a mile that creates another break further out when conditions are right (or wrong)..

I was not far away this weekend when a boat in that area radioed a distress call. They had lost power and were about twenty feet from the rocks. I started out to see if I could help but a few other boats made it before me. Being between those breaks and those rocks is not my idea of a good time.

All the best,

Kris
 
Welcome Kris, great pictures. You're the only other CD I've found that has two Honda 45s as I do. Were they original on the boat and how many hours do you have on them??

Charlie
 
Captains Choice":1dlrvxru said:
Welcome Kris, great pictures. You're the only other CD I've found that has two Honda 45s as I do. Were they original on the boat and how many hours do you have on them??

Charlie

Charlie,

The engines are original on the boat and they have about 550hrs on them. Have they been reliable for you? I've not had any problems so far.

Have you done any major work on yours?

Regards,

Kris
 
Hi Kris, mine are original too, 94's with about 350 hours on them. Have had the carbs rebuilt, maninly because it sat for 5 years before I bought it and they got all gummed up. Have rebuilt waterpumps a couple of times too.

Currently the Stbd engine has several cracks in the lower unit, back by the prop from a buildup of pressure from a fishing line that got wrapped around it. I didn't know it until I hauled the boat this year. You can see the damage in the Outboards Picture Album. It didn't penetrate the gear oil reservoir though and didn't do any other damage, matter of fact the only symptom was a low pressure in the cooling water overboard.

Rather than trying to weld this, I'm going to swap the lower unit out with a good one from Bill and Els blown power head 2000 40HP unit. They most graciously gave it to me. I've offered C-Brats other parts from the engine, much if not all of it is interchangable with 35/40/45/50 HP hondas from all years.

Charlie
 
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