Wandering Sagebrush
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I am thinking of building a hard shell dinghy to put on the cabin roof of my 22 cruiser (with tall radar arch). Does anyone have a recommendation?
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Captains Cat
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Hi Wandering, welcome to the site. I don't carry a dinghy on my 22 but have towed them with previous sailboats.
There's lots of info here about inflatibles, can't remember a hard shell discussion.
Happened to buy some magazines recently (cheaper than electronics by a long shot) and in a mag called "BoatWorks" the Fall 2005 issue, there was a continuation of a Summer 2005 issue article on a little hard dinghy. This segment was about finishing it so the Summer one was probably about building it. The magazine is put out by those that do "Sail" magazine which I frequent.
The website is www.boatworksmagazine.com and you should be able to look at some of it on line. I'm sure they want you to buy the back issue, but it may be worth it. Did some research before I sent this and it appears to be an Eastport Pram which can be bought in kit form for $640 in the rowing model at http://www.clcboats.com/boats/eastportpram.php
Should be easy to get up and down.
Keep us posted on your search, most of us don't have room for a hard shell but you can never tell.
Charlie
There's lots of info here about inflatibles, can't remember a hard shell discussion.
Happened to buy some magazines recently (cheaper than electronics by a long shot) and in a mag called "BoatWorks" the Fall 2005 issue, there was a continuation of a Summer 2005 issue article on a little hard dinghy. This segment was about finishing it so the Summer one was probably about building it. The magazine is put out by those that do "Sail" magazine which I frequent.
The website is www.boatworksmagazine.com and you should be able to look at some of it on line. I'm sure they want you to buy the back issue, but it may be worth it. Did some research before I sent this and it appears to be an Eastport Pram which can be bought in kit form for $640 in the rowing model at http://www.clcboats.com/boats/eastportpram.php
Should be easy to get up and down.
Keep us posted on your search, most of us don't have room for a hard shell but you can never tell.
Charlie
If you are building your own I would look into "Stitch and Glue" boats like those found on Bateau (http://www.bateau.com/products.php?cat=9) or GlenL (http://www.glenl.com/). This type of boat is often very light and strong so it would be ideal for putting on top of the cabin. The thing I like about Bateau is that they have a very active support forum.
I was seriously looking into building a boat before getting the C-Dory but decided I probably would never finish it.
I was seriously looking into building a boat before getting the C-Dory but decided I probably would never finish it.
Hi Wandering,
You might be interested in the "Elegant Punt." It's a funky pram that could just fit into your needs. http://www.smallboats.com/bolger.htm
Does that produce stand near Canby still sell those chocolate-covered sweet corn kernals?
Pat
You might be interested in the "Elegant Punt." It's a funky pram that could just fit into your needs. http://www.smallboats.com/bolger.htm
Does that produce stand near Canby still sell those chocolate-covered sweet corn kernals?
Pat
gunnar52068
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I agree with Gary's suggestion about "stitch and glue" construction. About 20 years ago I built a 17' strip canoe. I've used it on the Snake River, Lake Coeur d' Alene and the Boundary Waters in Minnesota. Very strong, light weight and attractive. Also, simple to build. It was my first experience using resin and glass and I've always wanted to do another project to see if I couldn't improve upon some of my cosmetic-type mistakes.
Get some pram plans, resin and glass cloth and go to it! My dentist and I have been talking about doing this very same project for his sailboat.
Gunnar
Get some pram plans, resin and glass cloth and go to it! My dentist and I have been talking about doing this very same project for his sailboat.
Gunnar
All of those hard shell (wooden) boats weigh 60 lbs or more! Many here complain of struggling to get much lighter inflatables on top. Remember you have to lean out and lift it up from the bow or the cockpit, lift it overhead and flip it over while working in fairly limited space (and sometimes while the boat is rocking from waves). Hence, I think that if you do a hard shell you will be towing it and not putting it on the cabin roof unless you are
a) VERY strong (and agile) or
b) planning to build some ingenious system to help lift it.
This might be more manageable if you build a nesting pram - e.g. a boat that is really two small boats that hook together to make one. The Bateu link provided by Gary shows one of these. In any case, I'd try to find one of similar design to what you want to make and try to load it on top from the water to see how difficult it is PRIOR to building one. Otherwise you might wind up putting $ and effort into something that won't really work for you in practice.
Roger on the SeaDNA
a) VERY strong (and agile) or
b) planning to build some ingenious system to help lift it.
This might be more manageable if you build a nesting pram - e.g. a boat that is really two small boats that hook together to make one. The Bateu link provided by Gary shows one of these. In any case, I'd try to find one of similar design to what you want to make and try to load it on top from the water to see how difficult it is PRIOR to building one. Otherwise you might wind up putting $ and effort into something that won't really work for you in practice.
Roger on the SeaDNA
Wandering,
IMHO, after hoisting our 45# inflatable onto the roof, I agree with Roger's post. Try it before you get too far into the project, add some cross wind, a wet deck, and some tired arms after rowing back and forth to the beach in that rain and wind. Also calculate the angle of that dingy to get it up and the fact that you may get water in the dingy as you tilt it up to lift it. ALSO, remember that a hard dingy is much more likely to scratch that beautiful gell coat on the way up, especially if the hull has some sand and pebbles still hanging on.
IMHO, after hoisting our 45# inflatable onto the roof, I agree with Roger's post. Try it before you get too far into the project, add some cross wind, a wet deck, and some tired arms after rowing back and forth to the beach in that rain and wind. Also calculate the angle of that dingy to get it up and the fact that you may get water in the dingy as you tilt it up to lift it. ALSO, remember that a hard dingy is much more likely to scratch that beautiful gell coat on the way up, especially if the hull has some sand and pebbles still hanging on.
I concur with the recent posts. Hard dinghys are nice but tough to lift up on a cabin top. Something I saw saturday, and only slightly off subject was a sit-upon kayak made by Hobi, that was propelled by pedals. And they didn't turn a whee with paddles. Something entirely different and high-tech. In a factory test they had the one-man model doing a tug of war with a two-man rowed kayak and the one-man won. That thing would really scoot, it was made for ocean work, like diving and such, and it steered with your hand. Plus your hands were free, except when making minor adjustments in course. And it was under 60 lbs. and 12 feet long. It had a lot of storage also. They make a larger, and a smaller model. Take a look on the Hobi website and check them out.
Strongly suggest you investigate an 8ft portabote.
This boat folds flat as a surfboard and is very light weight and strong.
I have a 10 foot model that sits on top of my truck camper at all times and no one knows it is even there until I pull down this amazing piece of Kevlar oregami and in a couple of minutes of unfolding and seat installing I am away fishing!
This boat folds flat as a surfboard and is very light weight and strong.
I have a 10 foot model that sits on top of my truck camper at all times and no one knows it is even there until I pull down this amazing piece of Kevlar oregami and in a couple of minutes of unfolding and seat installing I am away fishing!
El and Bill
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Inflatable (or portabote) is the only way to go, in our opinion. Sure don't want to be towing a hard shell in heavy sea or cross wind or current, with a 22' boat. And lifting such a critter to the cabin roof would do in my back. Good advice on this thread -- try it before spending the time to build (or the money to buy) a hard shell.
dogon dory
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starcrafttom
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west marine has a 2 man inflatable kayak on sale for $250 down from 399. I just ordered one and It will be here before we go to b.c. it is made by sevylor and seems to be a really good boat. I have sat in one at the store but not in the water. I will let you know how it works out.
El and Bill
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We have used Sevylor two-person kayaks for years, mostly running white water rivers. They are great. We look at them sorta like Timex watches -- don't compare them with a Rolex, but for the money, you get a great little inflatable that does the trick if you don't ask too much of it, and when it starts to leak, and the patch no longer works, you get another. Ours have three bladders (and two inflatable seats), so a leak in one of the main bladders will still get you home -- and it has. They are very light and easy to use (although you might want to upgrade the paddle, for serious kayaking). Downside is that they skitter in the wind and ours certainly aren't spray-proof.
I tried an 8' portabote and couldn't figure a good way to put it together, launch it, retrieve it and fold it back up in the cockpit. I settled on an inflatable canoe (I stole it from West Marine for $189 since it was the last of the breed), and think it was a good choice. It can carry three people, paddles well, and when packed fits in the v-berth or when inflated fits on the roof or across the rear deck. Since I also carry a couple of single touring kayaks on a roof rack, I am typically traveling with a flotilla. The canoe is great for short trips to shore. The kayaks are good for longer paddling trips. The canoe is easy to enter from the cockpit. I was worried about climbing into a kayak, but after a couple of times, it was surprisingly easy.
By the way the portabote is for sale.
By the way the portabote is for sale.
Bill mentioned the portabote - has anyone used a portabote on a cd22?
If so how did it work?
It looks like it might be doable. Very little windage when folded and put on top. Also good performance with a small motor. They even make a sail rig for extra $$. The only real concern I have is the weight and can I fold/unfold the thing on the bow.
Thanks,
Steve
If so how did it work?
It looks like it might be doable. Very little windage when folded and put on top. Also good performance with a small motor. They even make a sail rig for extra $$. The only real concern I have is the weight and can I fold/unfold the thing on the bow.
Thanks,
Steve
See my previous post on the Portaboat.
I looked at B~C's kayak rack before I built mine. Since I had a radar arch and the kayaks ranged up to 17 feet in length, I elected to incorporate a mount into the radar arch and existing hand rails on the roof. The kayaks are light (about 50 lbs each) so weight wasn't an issue, so centering them on the roof works pretty well, especially loading them over the stern to the roof. The rack is also useful for other loads such as the portaboat.
I looked at B~C's kayak rack before I built mine. Since I had a radar arch and the kayaks ranged up to 17 feet in length, I elected to incorporate a mount into the radar arch and existing hand rails on the roof. The kayaks are light (about 50 lbs each) so weight wasn't an issue, so centering them on the roof works pretty well, especially loading them over the stern to the roof. The rack is also useful for other loads such as the portaboat.
Tom,
Guess I read right by your portaboat post. It sounds like the problem was that there was not enough room to fold/unfold the boat. How do you like the boat otherwise?
I think the shipping from AK would expensive but what do you want for yours?
Do you have any pics of your boat and rack?
Steve
Guess I read right by your portaboat post. It sounds like the problem was that there was not enough room to fold/unfold the boat. How do you like the boat otherwise?
I think the shipping from AK would expensive but what do you want for yours?
Do you have any pics of your boat and rack?
Steve
Steve,
I never really put it in the water but it would seem to work pretty well for two people. It's fairly wide so should be stable. You were right on the space issue. I could put it together in the cockpit, but there had better not be anything else in there with you. It pretty much took the whole area. Launching it was fairly simple, slide it over the side, but put something over the gel coat to protect the finish.
Disassembly was the real show stopper. You have to haul the whole boat into the cockpit. I was hoping to disassemble some of it in the water (the seats and transom, but that wasn't going to work. After that, I came to the conclusion there was an easier way.
I don't have a photo album set up, but PM me your e-mail address and I will send you some pictures. Basically I took two antenna rail mount adapters, welded railing T's on them, ran a piece of 1 inch stainless railing through them for the front. It clears the roof by about 1.5 inches. On the rear, I took a similar piece of 1 inch stainless and using u-bolts attached it to the vertical on the rear of the radar arch. After some more experimenting, I will eventually weld the cross piece to the arch or spot weld the u-bolts. This rear railing makes a good place to hang a tarp to cover the back deck until I get a camper back that will work with kayaks on the rack.
I never really put it in the water but it would seem to work pretty well for two people. It's fairly wide so should be stable. You were right on the space issue. I could put it together in the cockpit, but there had better not be anything else in there with you. It pretty much took the whole area. Launching it was fairly simple, slide it over the side, but put something over the gel coat to protect the finish.
Disassembly was the real show stopper. You have to haul the whole boat into the cockpit. I was hoping to disassemble some of it in the water (the seats and transom, but that wasn't going to work. After that, I came to the conclusion there was an easier way.
I don't have a photo album set up, but PM me your e-mail address and I will send you some pictures. Basically I took two antenna rail mount adapters, welded railing T's on them, ran a piece of 1 inch stainless railing through them for the front. It clears the roof by about 1.5 inches. On the rear, I took a similar piece of 1 inch stainless and using u-bolts attached it to the vertical on the rear of the radar arch. After some more experimenting, I will eventually weld the cross piece to the arch or spot weld the u-bolts. This rear railing makes a good place to hang a tarp to cover the back deck until I get a camper back that will work with kayaks on the rack.
El and Bill":3gyhb9qc said:
Has anybody used the instaboat canoe?
http://www.instaboat.com/folding-boat.asp
I have two inflatable kayaks, one single, one tandem, and they are ok for use on my 22 footer. The downsides are set up, puncture possibilities, so-so tracking, and floor space.
This instaboat canoe looks like it could be fitted on top of my alaskan bulkhead or perhaps on front, latched to a couple of stanchions. Also, it can be fitted with a 2 hp engine.
-Greg