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Boarded by the Coast Guard
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T.R. Bauer
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I certainly appreciate what the CG does on a daily basis. For the most part, they are great. However, that does not mean that they get a free pass to do what they want. Some of you are implying that they can do no wrong because of the risks that they take. I completely respect what they do and appreciate it. Inspections for the sake of national security is crossing the line into PITA. I am sure that they sometimes feel the same way. Perhaps this is not so much a CG issue as it is a post 911 issue. The Bush Administration has gotten a lot of mileage out fear mongering - and for good reason, even it has been for the wrong reason at times.
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CAPN STTEVE, i should have figured that one out myself. no hard fellings if i said somethin wrong on that one , thats just wrong and i shouldn't have said it like that , i did not know the facts . john
Capital Sea
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No hard feelings at all. By the by, I am not a real captain, I just play one on the water. I noted that you were from NY and so you got points for understandably not knowing just how far near the limits of reach the ship and crew were.
I will tell you though, what is hard to understand is this. Those commercial licenses go with the vessel and retire with it as well. This causes vessels to remain in the most challenging of uses long after they should. Time will likely reveal that its age played a major factor in the "accident". I do not know for sure but expect that this policy is designed with a number of intended consequences in mind. These might include limiting the transfer of licences and limiting the number of new boats which might in the end be purchased by government as some have been in other coastal areas when fishing has collapsed.
I will tell you though, what is hard to understand is this. Those commercial licenses go with the vessel and retire with it as well. This causes vessels to remain in the most challenging of uses long after they should. Time will likely reveal that its age played a major factor in the "accident". I do not know for sure but expect that this policy is designed with a number of intended consequences in mind. These might include limiting the transfer of licences and limiting the number of new boats which might in the end be purchased by government as some have been in other coastal areas when fishing has collapsed.
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Huh , you learn somthing new everyday,thanks for the info... john
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It Sea Bit C:
Unless you have been to Alaska you could not fathom the distances or isolation. The state covers 2/3s the area of the continental US and there are no squadrons of helicopters waiting to rescue you and there was no other helicopter on the way for the Alaska Ranger because all of them were already committed to the search and rescue. I am currently on active duty and a former Marine but not USCG, these guys dont leave anyone behind.
There is no U.S. Tow, harbor patrol, or any other agency that will come to your aide up here like you have in NY; once you leave the dock you better know what your doing.
I dislike being boarded and IDd because its another degradation of our freedoms since 9/11. Up here we get chased away by the Coasties because of all the cruise ships (in addition to the safety checks), the fish cops like to board you in the middle of a trolling set in tight waters, and now NOAA of all things is ramping up their law enforcement operations. As for weapons on board; we all have them up here and its not a big deal as has been said previously.
I understand the boardings and increased security but I dont like it. I suspect we will soon have to show ID to cross state borders...........
Unless you have been to Alaska you could not fathom the distances or isolation. The state covers 2/3s the area of the continental US and there are no squadrons of helicopters waiting to rescue you and there was no other helicopter on the way for the Alaska Ranger because all of them were already committed to the search and rescue. I am currently on active duty and a former Marine but not USCG, these guys dont leave anyone behind.
There is no U.S. Tow, harbor patrol, or any other agency that will come to your aide up here like you have in NY; once you leave the dock you better know what your doing.
I dislike being boarded and IDd because its another degradation of our freedoms since 9/11. Up here we get chased away by the Coasties because of all the cruise ships (in addition to the safety checks), the fish cops like to board you in the middle of a trolling set in tight waters, and now NOAA of all things is ramping up their law enforcement operations. As for weapons on board; we all have them up here and its not a big deal as has been said previously.
I understand the boardings and increased security but I dont like it. I suspect we will soon have to show ID to cross state borders...........
T.R. Bauer":71ebwg57 said:Some of you are implying that they can do no wrong because of the risks that they take. I completely respect what they do and appreciate it...Perhaps this is not so much a CG issue as it is a post 911 issue.
I personally, don't think identifying persons in our country is intrusive, but I'm sure others would disagree. And let's face it, boats would be a very effecient way to smuggle in those that would us harm, undetected. It is a different world as of 09-11 and we need to balance rights/privacy with security/safety.
Based on my experiences, victims always demand accountability AFTER the you know what hits the fan. Apparently I [and the Fed gov't] have a crystal ball I'm not aware of. :roll:
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Me too salmon slayer don't know what you did in the marines , but i' ve been in third world places where i'd rather be in the water in alaska , worst that could happen to me there is drowning and i would rather take that then some other alternatives i could have faced .
I will tell you one thing if it was me and another brother MARINE they would not have been interviewing me when it was over case i would have died trying , life or death situation couldn't they have stuffed two of them in the basket at the same time , what if you had to save a big fat guy , would you leave him . john
I will tell you one thing if it was me and another brother MARINE they would not have been interviewing me when it was over case i would have died trying , life or death situation couldn't they have stuffed two of them in the basket at the same time , what if you had to save a big fat guy , would you leave him . john
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I'm no expert either but he couldn't have weiged more than the fuel that was missing. but i really don't know . But I know my younger brothers butt is in iraq right now in the marine corp . Troops there are putting there ass in harms way for us all, so was i in the first gulf war and when people make claims like i don't know what a remoye place is it makes me laugh, never mind question thier status as a marine. If you don't like it to dam bad i can't even think of a word bad enough to describe what you are, just don't come cryin to uncle sam for protection if the terrorists try again , you don't deserve the protection your afforded.If there were more soft dudes like that in our military we'd all be speaking arabic if we had any heads left. but i pearsonally gaurentee you real marines will never let that happen.
Now get on my quater deck an give me a hundred salmon slayer !
Now get on my quater deck an give me a hundred salmon slayer !
Those that would give up liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security
Benjamin Franklin
ryder":3cx5po4c said:Those that would give up liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security
Benjamin Franklin
January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1706] – April 17, 1790
It's not the 1700's anymore. Time's change. The Constitution is a living, evolving document that is meant to evolve/change with the times. Seems our fore-fathers were pretty smart and not arrogant enough to think they knew what the future would hold. Before 09-11 no one would guess hi-jacked planes would be flown into the WTC. I hope it never happens again...but I'm not naive enough to assume it won't.
But I know my younger brothers butt is in iraq right now in the marine corp . Troops there are putting there ass in harms way for us all
I call bullshit
It's not the 1700's anymore. Time's change. The Constitution is a living, evolving document that is meant to evolve/change with the times. Seems our fore-fathers were pretty smart and not arrogant enough to think they knew what the future would hold. Before 09-11 no one would guess hi-jacked planes would be flown into the WTC. I hope it never happens again...but I'm not naive enough to assume it won't.
Necessity is the reason given for every infringement of freedon. It is the ranting of the tyrant and the chanting of the masses.
Thomas Paine
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HEY RYDER , DON'T KNOW WTF YOU MEAN BY : " i call bullsit "
CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN - or are you just french or something.
CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN - or are you just french or something.
what don't you get? Iraq was no threat to America. Your own intelligence services say this invasion has created more enemies which mean you are making america less safe not safer. I suggest you stick to talking about boats rather that making false statements. Your brother is in Iraq because Bush misled the nation. Pure and simple. Not for any other reason.HEY RYDER , DON'T KNOW WTF YOU MEAN BY : " i call bullsit "
CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN - or are you just french or something.
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STILL WAITING .
ryder":1omanot1 said:It's not the 1700's anymore. Time's change. The Constitution is a living, evolving document that is meant to evolve/change with the times. Seems our fore-fathers were pretty smart and not arrogant enough to think they knew what the future would hold. Before 09-11 no one would guess hi-jacked planes would be flown into the WTC. I hope it never happens again...but I'm not naive enough to assume it won't.
Necessity is the reason given for every infringement of freedon. It is the ranting of the tyrant and the chanting of the masses.
Thomas Paine
Why should you care? :? You're up in Canada, eh, protected by the big brother south of you. No need to worry when there's ice to the north, Alaska in the northwest and the U.S. down South. And may I remind you that Ahmed Ressam attempted to enter our country equipped with a trunk full of explosives from your great country. He was only stopped by a very dutiful, observant and professional U.S. ICE (INS) border agent. I bet she wanted to know his true identity when he exited that ferry.
It's cool though. Remember, I work in Seattle and your liberal thinking is rampant down there too. :roll:
get your facts straight. the canadians found the explosives first and alerted the americans. We usually work together.And may I remind you that Ahmed Ressam attempted to enter our country equipped with a trunk full of explosives from your great country
further more your thinking is flawed . by your own logic that would mean america is to blame for training the hijackers to fly. You arent too bright are you?
and don't think I didn't notice you changed the subject.
But then again what could you possibly counter with?
have a nice day
ryder
Well, the pot's being stirred yet again...All this chest thumping bravado gets tiresome and does very little to either help us learn about anything or to educate us nor does it have anything to do with boating. We have some 2,000 people signed up as members of this list. I'm confident that in that group we have genuine heroes and draft-dodgers. We have people who have fought in many wars, people who have never seen war but who have put their lives on the line for the rest of us as cops, firefighters, paramedics, coasties, etc. We also, I'm confident, have people who have protested many wars as well as people who have a chip on their shoulder about the cops, firefighters, paramedics, coasties, and need to tell us all how tough they are, etc.. Personally I don't much care where any one of us lies on that continuum. I do care about this list and the good people I have met and come to respect through this medium. And, yes, there are those I have met and come to disrespect through this medium. I wish would we would speak and write with a little more restraint and respect for others and their opinions. Does anyone really think they are going to convince others they are wrong and about (insert passionate cause here:...) by going on tirades? Really...what is the point? (Stopping here, deep breathing, practicing yoga, meditation, having a beer, lest I go on a tirade.)
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