The C-Brats Forum Index
HomeForumsMy TopicsCalendarEvent SignupsMemberlistOur C-DorysThe Brat MapPhotos

Outboard won’t start I only get a single click
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The C-Brats Forum Index -> General Chat
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ATPNW



Joined: 26 Jul 2020
Posts: 79
City/Region: Covington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Fellowship
Photos: Fellowship
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:15 am    Post subject: Outboard won’t start I only get a single click Reply with quote

Was out on the water earlier today trilling. All of a sudden one of my motors (2005 Honda BF50) made an abnormal sound. At the time, I knew it was a familiar sound as it was almost like a higher pitch revving up of something. Within a second it stopped, both my dad and I perplexed couldn’t figure out what just happened. But now everything sounded fine. We fished for another hour trolling. Then headed to the dock with no issue. After tying to the dock, turning off the motor, then getting the trailer I tried to motor up to the trailer. I tried to start that motor but it wouldn’t start. Only a single click. Thinking about it now, the weird sound earlier I’m pretty sure was the starter engaging. My dad said he didn’t touch the key to engage the starter. Things I have tried:

1) kill switch
2) fuel line
3) battery on and charged
4) bench tested starter
5) bench tested solenoid

I still only get a single click. The two things I can think of next are a loose/dirty connection. Or a seized motor, although I really don’t think it’s this of it was running perfectly fine just before. Anything else you all can think of?

I will add that I took off the cowling and when trying to turn the ignition I can see the starter motor spring up and engage the gear, but won’t turn the engine over. I have tried a few times and now the starter motor is stuck in the upright position
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ATPNW



Joined: 26 Jul 2020
Posts: 79
City/Region: Covington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Fellowship
Photos: Fellowship
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: looks like the motor might be seized. Pulled the spark plugs and tried to turn the flywheel and couldn’t do it. Could not find evidence of water on the plugs nor the cylinder head when I bore scoped them though. This whole ordeal is so bizarre to me. Have no idea where to turn next or what to do.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
srbaum



Joined: 30 Aug 2010
Posts: 908
City/Region: Portsmouth
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Osprey
Photos: Osprey
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atpnw,
Most outboards that have a failure as you have experienced, have catastrophic damage inside of the engine. Usually overhaul of an older powerhead that has internal damage is not cost effective.

_________________
Steve Baum
Homeport of Portsmouth, VA
OSPREY (Ex Mister Sea) 2000 22 C-Dory 2010 - Sold 3/19
OSPREY (Ex ADITI) 2007 26 Cape Cruiser 2018
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
T.R. Bauer



Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 1808
City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's terrible to hear it's locked up. And given the circumstances, incredibly odd as you noted. I happen to agree since it was just running. Are you certain it is locked up? It's just crazy. If it is truly locked up, man I'm really sorry Sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ssobol



Joined: 27 Oct 2012
Posts: 3563
City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you check the oil?

Once my engine would not start. It was running fine, but the next time I tried to start it, I got a single click of the starter. It was a bad starter.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
T.R. Bauer



Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 1808
City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssobol wrote:
Did you check the oil?

Once my engine would not start. It was running fine, but the next time I tried to start it, I got a single click of the starter. It was a bad starter.


He reports he can't turn it over by hand with the plugs out. If it were mine, I'd pull off the lower unit and see if the powerhead spins is then free. I'd also make dang sure that starter isn't engaged with the flywheel teeth and is not somehow locking things up. I have never seen an engine with oil in it that was running fine somehow get locked up on the next start and had it actually be the engine. Normally there are kinds of tell tale signs - knocking, grinding, squealing, ticking....all that usual stuff before they give their last gasp on this green earth. Is it possible? Of course, but remotely with extremely low probability.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
thataway



Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 21376
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you borescoped the cylinders? What does the oil look like? I probably would drain it and look for metal shavings. Maybe even do an oil analysis.

What you describe still makes me thing that there are issues with the starter/system. Was the Bendix gear free of the flywheel when you tried to turn it. Did you use a breaker bar with a socket on the flywheel nut to see if you could rock the flywheel over with more leverage?

To be complete load test the battery (cheap Harbor Freight 12V load tester is adequate for this)

Also just because the starter runs on the bench does not mean it has the power to turn the flywheel. Often it is corrosion on the various terminals for the heavy cable from the battery. Perhaps most neglected, is the ground to the frame of the engine. But it sounds as this is eliminated if the flywheel will not turn by hand. We used to start the 40 and 50 hp outboards with the rope on the flywheel.

Hard to understand why it ran perfectly, no known overheat, no sound of seizing up. Then seemed to seize up and not restart.

_________________
Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
KA6PKB
Home port: Pensacola FL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ATPNW



Joined: 26 Jul 2020
Posts: 79
City/Region: Covington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Fellowship
Photos: Fellowship
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did disengage the bendix from the flywheel, still wouldn’t turn. I inspected the oil fill cap and dipstick but didn’t see any milky residue… The last oil analysis less than 10 hours ago didn’t turn up anything unusual. I’ll try and post pictures of the spark plugs and bore scope pics later today. I’ll remove the lower unit and try the breaker bar. When doing that, I’m assuming I’m going to grab onto the 4 bolts on top of the fly wheel? Maybe with a large crescent wrench?

Thanks for the help and suggestions so far. Had to head east for the day (family emergency). So other than the pictures I’ll post later I probably won’t get much time working on it. But I’ll be sure to keep updating.

Edit: or is this what I’d use to try and turn the flywheel?
https://www.amazon.com/OEMTOOLS-25556-Flexplate-Flywheels-Specialty/dp/B0949M63L8
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thataway



Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 21376
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go with the strap wrench you linked to. See if it will rock a little. If not then it sounds like tear down vs new engine time....If you can do the rebuild, then not too bad, depending on what damage there is to the block and crank shaft/bearings etc. There is going to be a point of diminishing returns... Unfortunately a seized 50 hp Outbotd motor has little scrap value...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
C-Wolfe



Joined: 16 Sep 2020
Posts: 335
City/Region: Anchorage
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Valhalla
Photos: C-Wolfe
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one more thing to add from everything mentioned above before you start opening up the engine. I got a similar thing happen to my 2006 BF50 on a multi day trip, I was very lucky that it solve itself until I could figure out what had happen. One of the magnet came loose from under the flywheel and wedge itself enough to kill the engine, but apparently barely as the engine started right back up and made it home ok. You might want to remove the flywheel before you put too much tork on it just in case. Hope this help
_________________
Stephan
ValHalla 08 TC255 2024-present
C-Wolfe 22 C-Dory cruiser 2020-24
No Name; Bayliner explorer 26 2012-2015
sparkle; Ericson 25 CB 2008-2012
Sculpin; Drascombe Drifter 2005-2008
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Robert H. Wilkinson



Joined: 26 Jan 2011
Posts: 1275
City/Region: Port Ryerse
State or Province: ON
Vessel Name: Romakeme IV
Photos: Romakeme IV
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 10hp honda generator once that was working fine when I stopped it then next time it would not turn over. It would stop turning abruptly and you could back it up almost 1 rev then it would stop again. I thought for sure the connecting rod had come off and was jamming it. When a Honda tech told me it could just be carbon I thought he was nuts. He took the head off scraped the carbon off the piston - cleaned it up and put it back together - even reused the head gasket. Worked fine for hundreds of hours after.

I don't think this is your problem - just sharing my experience.

Rob

_________________
Talk to me and I will listen-- but if its not about boats or fishing all I will hear is bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,zzzzzzzz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ATPNW



Joined: 26 Jul 2020
Posts: 79
City/Region: Covington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Fellowship
Photos: Fellowship
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all! It would appear C-Wolfe hit the nail on the head! One of the magnets came loose on the flywheel, and got lodged up there. I reinstalled the flywheel minus the broken magnet (for testing purposes only) and was able to hand rotate the engine, phew! While I have you here- I have also posted a picture of my spark plugs from this engine, cylinders 1 and 3 appear to be carbon fouled. I troll a lot, so carbon fouling might be expected? But wouldnt I also expect to see cylinder 2 carbon fouled? Would this point to the valves needing adjusting? Thanks again for everyone's help Smile









Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
C-Wolfe



Joined: 16 Sep 2020
Posts: 335
City/Region: Anchorage
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Valhalla
Photos: C-Wolfe
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's mine.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
thataway



Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 21376
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call on the magnet! Probably one of the cheapest things which could be happening to cause your problem. Did the flywheel turn in the opposite direction?

The spark plug fouling: may be too rich mixture from the carburetor. You might try adjusting that. Are all spark plugs the same? Too cold a plug for that prolonged idling could be an issue.i. Certainly the plugs need to be switched out, and of course the gaps reset. How is the rest of the ignition system?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ATPNW



Joined: 26 Jul 2020
Posts: 79
City/Region: Covington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Fellowship
Photos: Fellowship
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-Wolfe wrote:
There's mine.



Wow, yours took a beating. Did you end up ordering new flywheel or did it continue running like that with one less magnet?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The C-Brats Forum Index -> General Chat All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
     Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Page generation time: 0.0476s (PHP: 66% - SQL: 34%) - SQL queries: 28 - GZIP disabled - Debug on