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letitride
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Best modification / upgrade, a completely new handeling, feeling and ride quality is significately improved, amazing difference......in 2-3 ft chop
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jack keifer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: permatrim and trolling plates |
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Recently we replaced out 22 cruiser with a 16 cruiser. It is equipped with a Permatrim. Operatiion will be in lakes and reservoirs, with some fishing. I intend to just run the single 50. I am asking if it is possible to add a trolling plate to the Permatrim or will I have to remove it?
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Sea Wolf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: permatrim and trolling plates |
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| jack keifer wrote: | Recently we replaced out 22 cruiser with a 16 cruiser. It is equipped with a Permatrim. Operatiion will be in lakes and reservoirs, with some fishing. I intend to just run the single 50. I am asking if it is possible to add a trolling plate to the Permatrim or will I have to remove it?
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Jack-
I've not done this with a 16 or a 50, but with larger motors, and several different hydrofoils.
I'm going to say yes, it's possible, providing you use reasonable judgement as to how much load will be placed on the back of the Permatrim.
Be sure you use a trolling plate with an automatic release mechanism, so that if you attempt to go full throttle and forget to release the trolling plate, it will not overload the Permatrim and snap it off, or damage your anti-ventilation plate.
As you probably know, the various trolling plates have different spring down and release mechanisms. One I had from Cabela's would break 3/16" diameter brass pins if you failed to release the manual operated catch mechanism!
You will, at some point, fail to remember to do the release operation unless you have magical memory powers beyond those of mortal fishing souls.
Good Luck!
Joe. 
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breausaw
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I installed a Cobra The edge Pro Planing and Stabilizer Plate, stainless steel on my 150. I think it has less drag and better performance then a permatrim.
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Sea Wolf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| breausaw wrote: | | I installed a Cobra The edge Pro Planing and Stabilizer Plate, stainless steel on my 150. I think it has less drag and better performance then a permatrim. |
Jay- That's the one ("The Edge" by Cobra) that I used on my Minn-Kota Engine Mounted Electric Trolling Motor set up, which gives one some real slow trolling speed options, especially for lakes and trout. It's another alternative to a trolling plate.
See: Engine Mounted Electric Trolling Motor
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localboy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:44 am Post subject: |
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After our Comox trip I've decided to install one on our 25. We rode very heavy for this trip. I experimented w/ various trims in differing seas and even moved what I could forward. Still, I could never get the bow down; there's a lot of weight back there: 100 gl fuel, 25 gl water, our cooler, two engines... We also put out a wake you could surf on.
So I've been communicating w/ Permatrim USA re: the correct model for our boat/engine. We have a 2006 DF150 Suzuki and it has a water intake for cooling under the AV plate. Here's what Andrew at Permatrim US said:
| Quote: | We don’t have a undermount for that style gearcase. I have been chatting with Permatrim NZ, and they are going to ramp up and make some new models to accommodate that engine, and others that have the under AV plate water intakes. Honda is doing that……Evinrude too.
Your options are either go with a top mount smaller style, or wait for our order to arrive from NZ which might be another month or so |
These guys have been great in communicating and I cannot say enough about their customer service. I had originally ordered a plate off their website by just using the descriptions. They immediately contacted me and told me it would be too large. A series of back & forth e-mails followed while they tried to figure out which model would best suit our needs.
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Wandering Sagebrush
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Just a quick note to second what Mark says about Andrew at PT USA. Very good to work with. Prompt replies, well informed.
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localboy
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thataway
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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No problems with the DF 150 & Permatrim on the two on the Tom cat!
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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And they are still working great on Thataway! And helped a lot on Captain's Cat with the smaller DF 115's.
Charlie
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bluegene
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: permatrim |
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| We just returned from our fourth annual PNW cruise in our 22 cruiser. I installed the Permatrim just before our trip. I found there was a trade-off between speed and comfort. With the Permatrim up and the bow up, it was bumpier in some conditions. I would lower it at these times, the bow would come down and the ride was less bumpy and the speed would be reduced about 1 to 1.5 kts. In less chop I could raise the bow again an go faster and presumably save fuel. My wife really liked it, especially compared to our previous trips. |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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After nearly a week in the boat I'd have to say I believe the Permatrim has helped. Granted, it's all somewhat anecdotal, but the ride seemed to be the same with just the Permatrim (no trim tabs) as before, but before we had to trim the tabs all the way down to get a comparable trim/ride.
We used the trim tabs only for lateral balance the entire trip. I found that when we were heavy, a full or nearly full down engine trim, for flat water, worked best. Appeared about 2-3" of water ran over the Permatrim at about 12-14 knots, with full fuel/water tanks, a cooler, batteries etc in the stern/cockpit. If I trimmed it up under these conditions, I watched the GPS speed quickly bleed off, up to 1.5-2 knots w/ only a small adjustment.
Meredith's input was this: even w/ the trim tabs up fully she could now see over the dash/bow without stretching her neck or raising up in the pilot's seat as she had to do before.
Like I said, anecdotal, but I'm happy w/ the install. |
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ferret30
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Good to hear. I have one coming today for our 22! |
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Sunbeam
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ferret30 wrote: | | Good to hear. I have one coming today for our 22! |
Okay, I got you beat on this one; installed mine a few days ago 
For some reason, even though I'm comfortable drilling (necessary) holes into the boat itself, taking a drill to my Yamaha's pristine AV plate did cause me some angst. All went fine though (once I got over the mental anguish and just did it). I probably would have procrastinated further, but I had ordered a new prop, it arrived, and I wanted to see it in place - "install Permatrim" was ahead of it on the list. |
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