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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: Suzuki DF90 200hr service questions! |
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I had our boat up at Performance Marine in Everett, WA for about a week to get the 200 hr service done on the motor. I had considered doing it myself, and found good resources, but I've been too busy with work lately.
The hours meter was broken when I bought the boat so I relied on the tach reading at start-up to estimate the hours. It was actually at 185 hrs, but I don't mind having the service done since it's a 6 year old motor with almost enough hours.
The mechanic left a bag of the old parts as evidence of work I'm guessing. 4 used NGK plugs, a rubber impeller, a 'pump under plate', 'plate gasket', and some sort of mystery sleeve.
In my Suzuki manual I don't see a sleeve, just a pump housing (see the part on the far right of the drawing). So what is this thing (the part on the right in the first picture)?
It isn't called out in the parts or service manual. When I put the impeller in this sleeve (3rd pic), it seems too hard to turn the impeller. It has a wear pattern inside that seems to match the wear on the plate. |
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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Alas, with the power of the internets, I looked up the water pump kit (17400-92J00) that was specified on the repair invoice. Here it is:
http://www.leisurekraft.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=354
So my vintage (2006) has a replaceable sleeve that doesn't seem to come with the kits I was finding earlier. It's amazing that the impeller doesn't just melt due to all the drag it places on the housing! But I guess it's got cold water running through. |
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1165 City/Region: Soldotna
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:53 am Post subject: |
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ferret30 wrote: | Alas, with the power of the internets, I looked up the water pump kit (17400-92J00) that was specified on the repair invoice. Here it is:
http://www.leisurekraft.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=354
So my vintage (2006) has a replaceable sleeve that doesn't seem to come with the kits I was finding earlier. It's amazing that the impeller doesn't just melt due to all the drag it places on the housing! But I guess it's got cold water running through. |
That very part is evidence that people who are too smart to do their own maintenance should not piss & moan about the cost
of having it done by someone who knows !!  |
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mngrant
Joined: 07 Jan 2012 Posts: 42 City/Region: Bellingham
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Performance Marine completed the outboard diagnostic for me on my recent purchase of C-Dory with a Suzuki 90 .
Doug did the work and when done prolvided me with the replaced parts. Doug then spent an hour going over with me the dos and donts of not only the outboards but what he thought of the C-Dory. Doug lastly said to call anytime with any questions. I left feeling comfortable with his work and the offered open door.
Mike |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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2006 was the year they put that new inner cup in the pump. Do yourself a big favor and buy (~90$ or so) the big service manual. Also, you can see the parts lists at Browns Point Marine in NJ. They are the best Suzuki parts place I have found.
www.brownspoint.com
http://store.brownspoint.com/df90/fig015.asp
The second link is the link to your waterpump diagram if it's after S/N 680686 which it must be.
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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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mngrant wrote: | Performance Marine completed the outboard diagnostic for me on my recent purchase of C-Dory with a Suzuki 90 .
Doug did the work and when done prolvided me with the replaced parts. Doug then spent an hour going over with me the dos and donts of not only the outboards but what he thought of the C-Dory. Doug lastly said to call anytime with any questions. I left feeling comfortable with his work and the offered open door.
Mike |
Unfortunately I didn't get any of that useful information (except the $50 diagnostic print out).
When I went to hook up the 5 to 7 pin trailer adapter was missing (they gave me a new one). Also I had to come back in to ask for my hard to find Trioving cabin key that I had left with them (they found it).
It was about $400 for the 200 hr service and $50 for the diagnostic reading. I'd like to have gotten the hour of one on one time with the mechanic, but no technical staff was there at the time.
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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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tsturm wrote: | That very part is evidence that people who are too smart to do their own maintenance should not piss & moan about the cost
of having it done by someone who knows !!  |
Actually, after having it done professionally the first time, and having a copy of the shop manual, and having nifty videos like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg23ZkyjXGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVq-9rA4294
I think I will take a shot at it next time. And the diagnostic harness is only about $15 more than I paid for the printout ($50) so maybe I should get one of those  |
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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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It's been 5 months since our 200h service on our Suzuki 90. One thing I just noticed that looks strange is some gray grease coming out at the bottom end of the joint where the fixed bracket attaches to the outboard body.
Does it look like the grease is getting pushed out (like if a gasket were missing), or is it just normal to have extra?
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Wandering Sagebrush
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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ferret30 wrote: | ... But I guess it's got cold water running through. |
Run one without enough water, and you'll see it melt or come apart in very short order. That happened to my kicker when using a set of ear muffs and the pump was not getting sufficient water. _________________ "And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." - Abraham Lincoln |
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rogerar
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed be very careful with earmuffs, I finally got a temperature gauge on my Suzuki 90A, so I can keep an eye on it while flushing.
Roger |
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