I think I may have found myself a 22 (finally!). One snag is that the trailer needs work, and I can't get the boat into my possession until I have a trailer to put under it. I'm having to make some quick decisions on rebuild parts (to be ordered tomorrow morning) and I could use some advice/opinions from you all. Please check my math, comment from your real-world experience, etc.
(BTW, sorry this is so long and wordy, but I didn't want to post just a bare-bones question and then make you all "beg" for each bit of necessary information.)
The trailer is a Magic Tilt TMCF1921-4410B78X13C. It came with the boat originally from the dealer. GVW is around 5300#; capacity is 4410# It has not been used to launch, from all appearances, but is weathered and needs work before a boat can live on it.
So, I need new tires (plus new brakes/actuator, re-packed bearings, new wiring, new lights, new bunks, new inner wheelwell boards (not sure what those are called), and a new winch strap). Other than that it's fine
No, really, it is in pretty good shape, structurally. My most pressing question is on the tires/wheels. It currently has five 13" galvanized rims in fine shape. Tires are old and need replacing (and rims are not a big cost factor compared to the tires), hence my questions.
Magic Tilt does sell this exact same trailer with 14" wheels/tires (205/75-14) and then it is rated for 700# more capacity. Now, from my reading here, I think the 4410# trailer carrying capacity is adequate for a 22 Cruiser; BUT, let's say I do load the trailer up to near it's GVW of 5300# - say to 5000#. That would be 2500# per axle, and 1250# per tire IF all four tires stayed loaded exactly equally. That doesn't seem too likely to me, so that tire figure is the one that has me concerned. Here is what I have found for tire capacities:
In the 13" tire size (ST radial, 175/80-13), I have a few choices in load range C, which are rated for 1360# each, and one choice (that I have found) in load range D, which is rated for 1610#. I did also find a 185/80-13 rated for 1480# If I were to move up to 14" wheels, I would want to move up in size now if I were ever going to. I would have more tire selection, and could easily get tires rated from ~1400# on up to ~1700# in the 14" size.
I suppose one can subtract the tongue weight, but again, it doesn't seem like all four tires would be loaded equally all the time and would be darned close to their rating? Wouldn't just a hint of off-centered loading or shifting of weight bring them up over max capacity? Am I missing something in my calculations? Those of you with 22's who have tandem trailers - what size wheels are you running? Would you change?
I have no particular "need" to upgrade to 14" wheels if the 13" and tires are fine. The current 13" rims are galvanized and in very good condition. OTOH, if I'm going to do it, now is the time (buying five tires). I'm hoping to do some long-distance trailering, and I want to feel good about the trailer and not have nagging worries (beyond the normal "I'm towing something" ones).
If I were to move up to 14" wheels/tires... is it possible to go too heavy in load range (there are lower options in 14" though)? I'm thinking that perhaps if one did that and then inflated the tires properly they would be too "stiff" for the rest of the trailer? (Would it be something like oversizing rigging on a sailboat and then when you tune it to the proper tension it puts too much stress on other (smaller) fittings?)
I'm not usually one to make such quick decisions, but the boat needs to be moved ASAP, and so I have to get the trailer ready now, without ages to research. I need to order parts tomorrow morning, in fact.
Thank you! I'm hoping to be able to make an "official" brat introduction soon (when I have a trailer AND a boat in my possession).
B.
PS: For the brakes I'm thinking of going with Kodiak Dacromet coated discs on both axles (only has drums on one axle now and they need replacing). IIUC, I can upgrade those to electric-over-hydraulic in future without "backtracking," right? (Trailer does need a new actuator now, but was going to go with one for surge/discs at the moment.)
(BTW, sorry this is so long and wordy, but I didn't want to post just a bare-bones question and then make you all "beg" for each bit of necessary information.)
The trailer is a Magic Tilt TMCF1921-4410B78X13C. It came with the boat originally from the dealer. GVW is around 5300#; capacity is 4410# It has not been used to launch, from all appearances, but is weathered and needs work before a boat can live on it.
So, I need new tires (plus new brakes/actuator, re-packed bearings, new wiring, new lights, new bunks, new inner wheelwell boards (not sure what those are called), and a new winch strap). Other than that it's fine

Magic Tilt does sell this exact same trailer with 14" wheels/tires (205/75-14) and then it is rated for 700# more capacity. Now, from my reading here, I think the 4410# trailer carrying capacity is adequate for a 22 Cruiser; BUT, let's say I do load the trailer up to near it's GVW of 5300# - say to 5000#. That would be 2500# per axle, and 1250# per tire IF all four tires stayed loaded exactly equally. That doesn't seem too likely to me, so that tire figure is the one that has me concerned. Here is what I have found for tire capacities:
In the 13" tire size (ST radial, 175/80-13), I have a few choices in load range C, which are rated for 1360# each, and one choice (that I have found) in load range D, which is rated for 1610#. I did also find a 185/80-13 rated for 1480# If I were to move up to 14" wheels, I would want to move up in size now if I were ever going to. I would have more tire selection, and could easily get tires rated from ~1400# on up to ~1700# in the 14" size.
I suppose one can subtract the tongue weight, but again, it doesn't seem like all four tires would be loaded equally all the time and would be darned close to their rating? Wouldn't just a hint of off-centered loading or shifting of weight bring them up over max capacity? Am I missing something in my calculations? Those of you with 22's who have tandem trailers - what size wheels are you running? Would you change?
I have no particular "need" to upgrade to 14" wheels if the 13" and tires are fine. The current 13" rims are galvanized and in very good condition. OTOH, if I'm going to do it, now is the time (buying five tires). I'm hoping to do some long-distance trailering, and I want to feel good about the trailer and not have nagging worries (beyond the normal "I'm towing something" ones).
If I were to move up to 14" wheels/tires... is it possible to go too heavy in load range (there are lower options in 14" though)? I'm thinking that perhaps if one did that and then inflated the tires properly they would be too "stiff" for the rest of the trailer? (Would it be something like oversizing rigging on a sailboat and then when you tune it to the proper tension it puts too much stress on other (smaller) fittings?)
I'm not usually one to make such quick decisions, but the boat needs to be moved ASAP, and so I have to get the trailer ready now, without ages to research. I need to order parts tomorrow morning, in fact.
Thank you! I'm hoping to be able to make an "official" brat introduction soon (when I have a trailer AND a boat in my possession).
B.
PS: For the brakes I'm thinking of going with Kodiak Dacromet coated discs on both axles (only has drums on one axle now and they need replacing). IIUC, I can upgrade those to electric-over-hydraulic in future without "backtracking," right? (Trailer does need a new actuator now, but was going to go with one for surge/discs at the moment.)