New Molded Interior - Poll Redux
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I don't see "fair" as an option. I liked the starboard side but still felt the port side could use some work. The table's a bit smaller and the access to the storage under the table and the barber chair is mediocre.
I'd also like to see the factory switch to higher quality latches on the cabinets. However, overall, I like it a bit better than the original version as I still think fiberglass is a ton easier to clean.
Mike - you probably don't have as much problem keeping your interior clean as -
1) With the bigger boat (25 vs my 22) you are less likely to get fish related mess transferred from the cockpit to the cabin and
2) You don't catch fish so often... :wink: :lol:
I'd also like to see the factory switch to higher quality latches on the cabinets. However, overall, I like it a bit better than the original version as I still think fiberglass is a ton easier to clean.
Mike - you probably don't have as much problem keeping your interior clean as -
1) With the bigger boat (25 vs my 22) you are less likely to get fish related mess transferred from the cockpit to the cabin and
2) You don't catch fish so often... :wink: :lol:
OK - here's what I think having seen it. It looks very good, as I was sure it would; indeed it looks to the eye better than the wood cabinetry. It is functional, although not nearly so much as the original. If I was a day cruiser, I would probably prefer it.
To provide a glimpse of my perspective, I'll comment on a few of the other changes to the CD22 of late.
I like the glass door, although not enough to change the door I have. The door is a break even for me.
I like the new look of the gunnels with the tray inserts, and because they are easily removable to expose where the wiring is run they get no points off from me. I can understand why some folks do not care for them, but they look to be a plus to me.
I do not like the new cockpit floor, and would not want it in a CD22 I was fishing from. There again, I can see the many advantages and understand why a lot (most) people would want it. But I really prefer to have my feet below the water line and had no problem with the slightly sloped floor. This is a minus for me, but not enough to affect my choice if buying a boat.
The above changes are more cosmetic with little effect on the functionality, however. The change to the interior is a change in utility and I still do not care for it. I like lots of hidden yet easy accessible storage room, and the insufficient (to me) amount there was has been drastically reduced. I also like, in fact it is important to me, the ability to make changes upon changes. Not being the craftsman that some others are, I also need the ability to cheaply correct some of the changes I make. Maybe the glass will stand up to normal use better, but I can go to the closest Home Depot and get the stuff to repair the wood myself and not have to wear gloves to make the repairs. It looks good, and to a first-time buyer it is probably a sales plus. Had I never had a C-Dory it would probably not influence my buying decision at all. But having had a couple of them, I would look around a while before I bought a new one over an older design if I was in the market. I do not anticipate being in the market again, so I probably should have kept my mouth shut in the first place. I am sorry I called it that awful name in the other thread, but I still do not care for it. It will probably do as the factory hopes and sell more boats with less building trouble and costs, so I understand and do not begrudge them for doing it. But I don't like it. I still question the wisdom of glassing it to the hull. That creaking noise you sometimes hear from your wood interiors is due to the hull flexing as it needs to. I would expect there to be some stress cracks in the new interior showing up before too long, but not being an engineer I will not be placing any bets.
To provide a glimpse of my perspective, I'll comment on a few of the other changes to the CD22 of late.
I like the glass door, although not enough to change the door I have. The door is a break even for me.
I like the new look of the gunnels with the tray inserts, and because they are easily removable to expose where the wiring is run they get no points off from me. I can understand why some folks do not care for them, but they look to be a plus to me.
I do not like the new cockpit floor, and would not want it in a CD22 I was fishing from. There again, I can see the many advantages and understand why a lot (most) people would want it. But I really prefer to have my feet below the water line and had no problem with the slightly sloped floor. This is a minus for me, but not enough to affect my choice if buying a boat.
The above changes are more cosmetic with little effect on the functionality, however. The change to the interior is a change in utility and I still do not care for it. I like lots of hidden yet easy accessible storage room, and the insufficient (to me) amount there was has been drastically reduced. I also like, in fact it is important to me, the ability to make changes upon changes. Not being the craftsman that some others are, I also need the ability to cheaply correct some of the changes I make. Maybe the glass will stand up to normal use better, but I can go to the closest Home Depot and get the stuff to repair the wood myself and not have to wear gloves to make the repairs. It looks good, and to a first-time buyer it is probably a sales plus. Had I never had a C-Dory it would probably not influence my buying decision at all. But having had a couple of them, I would look around a while before I bought a new one over an older design if I was in the market. I do not anticipate being in the market again, so I probably should have kept my mouth shut in the first place. I am sorry I called it that awful name in the other thread, but I still do not care for it. It will probably do as the factory hopes and sell more boats with less building trouble and costs, so I understand and do not begrudge them for doing it. But I don't like it. I still question the wisdom of glassing it to the hull. That creaking noise you sometimes hear from your wood interiors is due to the hull flexing as it needs to. I would expect there to be some stress cracks in the new interior showing up before too long, but not being an engineer I will not be placing any bets.
rogerbum":2pb04tkb said:
Well sir, it wasn't really fair of them to change this without asking you and the rest of us first, now was it? Besides, it's a done deal and if one is on the fence they ought to pick a side and jump off.
rogerbum":2pb04tkb said:
RB - you wear white lab coats to work and I wear greasy coveralls. I am messier than you. And I'll tell you something, young man, I have caught fish that were too long to fit in the cockpit - even of my 25 - without part of them sticking into the cabin. So stick that on the end of your pole and see what bites.
TyBoo":30w5dhyx said:
That was easy.... question his fishing ability = quick comeback.
Actually though, I know you've caught plenty of fish. Also, that white lab coat thing is a myth. Very few of them around and I've never worn one. I'm pretty much a blue jeans and pull-over shirt kinda guy. What you saw me in last night is my "work uniform"...
TyBoo":tyebyiow said:
I'm still going to ride the fence anyway......just because I feel like riding something :wink . That being said, my opinion is that some storage space was lost and cruising with two women, (three if you count the dog :dog ), means I need all the storage space I can find! BTW, I didn't vote .....no applicable option
.Would I perform a proper christening for a "new style" C-Dory just as I would an "old style"?.............ABSOLUTELY! :beer
Rev. Dave
Pat Anderson
New member
Now I have seen it, I have gone from negative to don't care...could be worse, still is not as good as the way it used to be...we have our boat, so it doesn't really affect us now, does it? Not bad enough to put us off from buying if we were in the market, but makes us glad we have a 2005...that plus the PRICE differential! Helen O Larry may want to reconsider his price!
I think the molded interior has a better appeal to the eye but the three draw backs for me would be..
1. The passenger seat is so small it puts your left arm against hull.
2. You definitely lose storage space.
3. The access doors to the storage space would prohibit putting some larger articles under the seat.
For a new owner what you don't know you would never miss.
1. The passenger seat is so small it puts your left arm against hull.
2. You definitely lose storage space.
3. The access doors to the storage space would prohibit putting some larger articles under the seat.
For a new owner what you don't know you would never miss.
I thought the new molded interior looked horrible. It's not the molded fiberglass that I don't like it's the design. You lose a lot of storage on the port side and access to that smaller storage space has been drastically reduced. It appears to me that C-Dory is making changes with production costs in mind and not how to better the boat. I think anyone who had this boat and used it on a weekly basis would not want this design.
Bill
Bill
Cutty Sark
New member
Personally, I really liked it. I thought the new interior was well done, maybe the table needed to be a bit bigger, but everything, looked good to me. And everyone keeps talking about how much storage is lost, what am I missing? I could see maybe a little was lost, but not much. And to me it looked like there was a little more room above and around the water tank.But maybe it's just the way mine was installed. The thing I liked the best was that the cabinets were glassed in, I don't care for the screws straight into the hull of the boat.
Sark
Sark
bite this ??? TyBoo its time for yer little white pills.....
I looked at the new interior...and there are several things that make very good sense....like the molded cockpit...good for strength and gives a more finished look....and the interior...I thought the cooktop to be to low, but liked the smooth counter ... hated the table..or 1/2 table now...and the tiny seats...what's with that ?? they look like they were an afterthought...it sure does not look like the camper boat I bought... where's the storage ?? under the table has gone from a useful large area to a large area with a tiny hatch...and lots of useless room...sorry my arm just does not bend that way... also the way they changed the forward facing seat conversion (Barber chair) makes that cabinet almost useless.... I understand why some of these improvements were made.... strength...preformed units..ease of installation and improved materials.... but what they diden't do was have someone like Bill and El help design the units so they included storage..... useful storage....... possibly what they need to do is offer a couch interior like Fishtails has and a camper interior...and maybe something with a forward facing seat and a fixed table/workspace area... and sell the boats with specific interiors.
I just know I really hated the 1/2 table and tiny seat arrangement.
I know....take a lude.
Joel
SEA3PO
I looked at the new interior...and there are several things that make very good sense....like the molded cockpit...good for strength and gives a more finished look....and the interior...I thought the cooktop to be to low, but liked the smooth counter ... hated the table..or 1/2 table now...and the tiny seats...what's with that ?? they look like they were an afterthought...it sure does not look like the camper boat I bought... where's the storage ?? under the table has gone from a useful large area to a large area with a tiny hatch...and lots of useless room...sorry my arm just does not bend that way... also the way they changed the forward facing seat conversion (Barber chair) makes that cabinet almost useless.... I understand why some of these improvements were made.... strength...preformed units..ease of installation and improved materials.... but what they diden't do was have someone like Bill and El help design the units so they included storage..... useful storage....... possibly what they need to do is offer a couch interior like Fishtails has and a camper interior...and maybe something with a forward facing seat and a fixed table/workspace area... and sell the boats with specific interiors.
I just know I really hated the 1/2 table and tiny seat arrangement.
I know....take a lude.
Joel
SEA3PO
Marcia and I spent some time on the new 22 at the SBS comparing it to Valkyrie and liked some things and were disppointed by others.
The molded cockpit sole is nice, but the storage pockets are miniscule compared to the former full length ones. We put two fenders on each side of ours and that's not possible on the new boat. This is a bulky item and hard to stow elsewhere. Also, although we currently carry two telescoping boathooks in spring clips, one below each storage box, we used to put them in the storage areas, but this is no longer possible. Also, with the new molded pockets, it's not possible to mount them under the pockets, which keeps them out-of-the-way, but still readily accessible.
In the cabin, the port side is a disappointment, as many have said before, so I won't go into repetitive detail here. One thing that others haven't mentioned is the new passenger seat that folds down like the helm seat. There is a new cushion that is inserted in its place when used as a bunk, necessitating an extra cushion to be stowed when not in use.
The access port to the floor area, which is one big open area, is very small and finding anything stored there calls for almost everything else to be removed.
The hinged storage area at the helm is gone, replaced by a very small access port. On Valkyrie, that area is for emergency gear (Olin flare kit in soft bag, smoke flares, parachute flares, wood emergency through-hull plugs, underwater epoxy sticks, extra horn, handheld VHF and so on.) On our boat each and every one is instantly visible and accessible. On the new boat, it is impossible to use the area in such a way and I doubt that the Olin kit would even fit through the opening.
Galley: the new molded counter takes away about 2-3 inches of possible storage area behind the sink. On our boat we have a teak condiment (really a cassette rack) rack there, which is really handy. It also takes away the same depth from behind the stove. We still wonder why they mount the stoves so near the hull sides, rather than further forward. When we ordered our boat, we specified that the Wallas should be mounted further forward on the counter. This enabled us to add a teak rack behind the stove, something that most boats can't install due to the stove's location and this is further complicated by losing the space behind the stove to the new molded interior.
Also, on our boat we mounted a three-inch tall teak board above the stern windows on either side of the door. The teak has cup hooks, both open and captured, that hold hats, keys, Croakies, a pocket knife and other odds and ends. On the new boat, the windows have been raised a few inches, negating the possibility of this addition.
We both believe that the new boat has a cleaner, finished look and that there are some definite advantages. Someone new to the line wouldn't notice the differences and could work around the changes and still have fun on a great, well-made boat.
However, we are now more appreciative of our boat and its possibilities than ever.
Nick
"Valkyrie"
The molded cockpit sole is nice, but the storage pockets are miniscule compared to the former full length ones. We put two fenders on each side of ours and that's not possible on the new boat. This is a bulky item and hard to stow elsewhere. Also, although we currently carry two telescoping boathooks in spring clips, one below each storage box, we used to put them in the storage areas, but this is no longer possible. Also, with the new molded pockets, it's not possible to mount them under the pockets, which keeps them out-of-the-way, but still readily accessible.
In the cabin, the port side is a disappointment, as many have said before, so I won't go into repetitive detail here. One thing that others haven't mentioned is the new passenger seat that folds down like the helm seat. There is a new cushion that is inserted in its place when used as a bunk, necessitating an extra cushion to be stowed when not in use.
The access port to the floor area, which is one big open area, is very small and finding anything stored there calls for almost everything else to be removed.
The hinged storage area at the helm is gone, replaced by a very small access port. On Valkyrie, that area is for emergency gear (Olin flare kit in soft bag, smoke flares, parachute flares, wood emergency through-hull plugs, underwater epoxy sticks, extra horn, handheld VHF and so on.) On our boat each and every one is instantly visible and accessible. On the new boat, it is impossible to use the area in such a way and I doubt that the Olin kit would even fit through the opening.
Galley: the new molded counter takes away about 2-3 inches of possible storage area behind the sink. On our boat we have a teak condiment (really a cassette rack) rack there, which is really handy. It also takes away the same depth from behind the stove. We still wonder why they mount the stoves so near the hull sides, rather than further forward. When we ordered our boat, we specified that the Wallas should be mounted further forward on the counter. This enabled us to add a teak rack behind the stove, something that most boats can't install due to the stove's location and this is further complicated by losing the space behind the stove to the new molded interior.
Also, on our boat we mounted a three-inch tall teak board above the stern windows on either side of the door. The teak has cup hooks, both open and captured, that hold hats, keys, Croakies, a pocket knife and other odds and ends. On the new boat, the windows have been raised a few inches, negating the possibility of this addition.
We both believe that the new boat has a cleaner, finished look and that there are some definite advantages. Someone new to the line wouldn't notice the differences and could work around the changes and still have fun on a great, well-made boat.
However, we are now more appreciative of our boat and its possibilities than ever.
Nick
"Valkyrie"
It's early yet, but this thing is a lot closer good/bad than I figured it would be. If I had not owned the original interior, I would think the new one is OK. If I had not seen the original, I would think the new one is good. I suppose I should quit badmouthing the thing, because it still can and will be altered to address the storage access issues and maybe even the storage space shortage.
I think I dislike losing the original more than seeing the new. It is not a matter of disliking change - it is the what that change is. Just this evening I dug out the seven (yep, 7!) teak faced drawers and the louvered teak door and frame I bought at Bellingham last summer. I am soon going to install them right into my existing cabinetry using the simple tools that most everyone has and the even simpler skills I possess. There is nowhere in the new CD25 to put seven drawers, even though the cabin is the same size. I could have put those same drawers in my old CD22, but in the new one they would not work. Hey - I like drawers. And I like to have my kids' junk out of sight yet easy for them to get at (yeah - like that's going to happen).
Still, as the votes come in I expect the poll to reflect a much broader acceptance of this new interior than it is showing now. It does look good, and to a first-time buyer it is probably a plus.
I think I dislike losing the original more than seeing the new. It is not a matter of disliking change - it is the what that change is. Just this evening I dug out the seven (yep, 7!) teak faced drawers and the louvered teak door and frame I bought at Bellingham last summer. I am soon going to install them right into my existing cabinetry using the simple tools that most everyone has and the even simpler skills I possess. There is nowhere in the new CD25 to put seven drawers, even though the cabin is the same size. I could have put those same drawers in my old CD22, but in the new one they would not work. Hey - I like drawers. And I like to have my kids' junk out of sight yet easy for them to get at (yeah - like that's going to happen).
Still, as the votes come in I expect the poll to reflect a much broader acceptance of this new interior than it is showing now. It does look good, and to a first-time buyer it is probably a plus.
I agree with Nick (Valkyrie) gunwale storage in the cockpit. When I looked at I immediately saw that nothing I normally put in the gunwales would fit or even stay there. I put boat fenders and docklines in there along with a small gaff, boat hook, fish towels, stray halibut weights, and just about anything else that fits. If I bought a new 22, I would remove both of them and put in a something like what I have using starboard or something similar.
On the inside, the port storage changes were depressing. Like in freezers top loading maximizes space inside. The rear is almost useless. The front is almost the same unless you put a rear wall in there so you don't have small items get pushed out the back. Yes it's not convenient to move a cushion, but I'd take the storage space.
I do like the deck in the cockpit. I have the removable floorboards and they at times will move slightly when you are leaning over to gaff a halibut or net a fish. It is somewhat unnerving so a fixed floor would mean a lot. You also have to remove them to clean everything well.
On the inside, the port storage changes were depressing. Like in freezers top loading maximizes space inside. The rear is almost useless. The front is almost the same unless you put a rear wall in there so you don't have small items get pushed out the back. Yes it's not convenient to move a cushion, but I'd take the storage space.
I do like the deck in the cockpit. I have the removable floorboards and they at times will move slightly when you are leaning over to gaff a halibut or net a fish. It is somewhat unnerving so a fixed floor would mean a lot. You also have to remove them to clean everything well.
I just returned from the boat show having had an even closer look at the new molded 22. I made two new discoveries. I am 6.2 and 250 and I could not fit in the port side seat when it is facing forward. There was no room for my size 11.5 shoes. The second discover is I could barely slip my legs under the helm wheel. These do not appear to be easy modifications.