Motor weight issues E-Tec vs 4-stroke

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makushin

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I'm purchasing a used 22 CD....guess I'll have to get rid of the 16.....and am considering repowering.

I'm wondering about the 100 lb weight savings from going with an E-tec 90 vs a 90 4-stroke.

Some have suggested that the added weight is advantageous which is counter intuitive to me.

Also in the early days of CD's there were no 4-strokes and I assume the design assumed a lighter weight 2-stroke at the stern.

Does anyone out there wish their outboard was lighter or give me a good reason to stick with 4-stroke repower rather than go with E-Tec?

I guess I want to know if weight is a significant factor.
 
two words...
Trim tabs...

Actually in my Angler I almost don't need them with my 4 stroke 90HP Suzuki.

I'd never look back however I am looking forward to getting trim tabs to give me lateral trim with a load.
 
When I got a 4 stroke, I thought I was forever done with the fuel guzzling 2 strokes and their stinky exhaust. But Evinrude comes out with the E-Tec, dog gone, it's taking some time, but I am becoming impressed! If I was going to get a new boat, or repower, I think I would give one a try. They have a 3 star emission ratting, and will go anywhere a 4 stroke will go. There reported to get better fuel economy then a same hp 4 stroke, through the entire operating range, and produce less emissions! How could that be???????
It would be a good idea to let this high tec stuff prove itself on the market for the first year or so, but like I said, I think I would try one!
If any one get's a new E-Tec, I tell ya their would be a bunch of folks here waiting to hear all about it, in detail!!!!!!

I applaud Bombardier for trying, and not letting the Evinrude and Johnson names fade away.
Buck...
 
Les will be hanging a 90 ETEC on my 22 next week. I'll give a full report once the rascal is broken in... looks good to me.

Dusty
 
less just put a honda 4 stroke on my new boat and i wish it was a e-tec instead. honda had the financing at 4.75. the e-tec is lighter, cleaner, faster, just as quit, and requires less service. hell you don't need a dealer tune up or service for 3 years. there is no oil that does not get burned in the combustion prosess. and you don't have to change the oil. you don't even have to mix the oil. there is no brake in period either. just go full tilt right out of the box. I was sold on this motor after reading about it several times. if i was paying cash or doing the loan thru my bank ( 6.75 %) i would have gotten this motor. by the way i belive that honda is getting rid of its carbureted motors and going to fuel injection next year.
 
Buddy believe youz me... you want the extra weight! In short (and maybe you've read this before) but when your passengers all have to crowd into the cabin in nasty weather and you have consumed a lot of your fuel (stern weight) this changes the handling something terrible in a following sea. And that is one of the "weaknesses" of a flat-bottomed boat.
Personally, me thinks they were designed as a "work boat" carrying most there cargo in the cockpit.
When your out and burn a lot of your weight that is not a permanent part of your boat (fuel, and it is quite heavy) Out in rough water with everyone in the cabin.... the C-Dory is transformed, well, any boat is actually, but the more permanent weight back there the better.
Of course with trim-tabs this allows control of weight. When your too-stern-heavy (working hauling wood er-sumpin) trim tabs are a must.
Hope that makes sense... I'm in a hurry again. :embarrased

My feeling on "2-strokes" is highly prejudiced... you don't want to hear it (LOL) but in short, I'm sure the new ones are good as can get. I just flat don't like their "frequency" (sound) you know why peeps like Harleys and Big V-Twins. Aesthetics! But never mind that, you want the added weight if your going "trim-tabs"
 
The 90 ETEC may be lighter than the 4 Strokes but the 40/50/60 sure aren't. My 45 Honda 4's weigh about 202 each and the new ETEC in the 40/50/60 are all 235 each. I suppose it's the same block/accessories just detuned? If I were repowering now, which I may be in a year or two, I might consider the 50 or 60 ETEC in the twin configuration. The 3 year no maintenance sure sounds good...Plus the easy winterization, etc...

I could use a few extra pounds in my stern (the boat, folks, not the person :moon :smileo ) It might make the rainwater run to the well in the back vice into the cabin....

Comments?

Charlie
 
One more thought...
With 4-strokes you have more mechanical-moving-parts. With the new 2-strokes, you have more electronics ans sensors going on. I'll place my bet on the redundancy of a few more mechanical parts ---any day--- over the 2 strokes relying on more sensors and doodads.
"Maintenance" I switched to Mobil 1 total synthetic, and change oil only half as often. This summer after a lot of use on my 2000 Yamaha F-11 (4-stroke). I checked the valve-clearances and there was zero need for any adjustments!! Amazing!
 
Wow! Between Catman and you jerking my chain I can't even watch the game!!!!

Your situation is just different, Greg. Ain't no folks going forward in my cabin when we are underway. Just me and a passenger. I like the boat light for economy -- cheap, cheap, cheap.

I've run and serviced two-strokes for years -- sort of a love/hate thing. The ONLY way you could get enough h.p. to get on plane was with a two-stroke. The new e-guy is a totally different kind of kitty (sorry, c.m.). Separate oiling system for the bearings, LESS oil in the pristine lake than a 4-stroke, and similar economy. That's what the literature sez - but we'll see. Looks good, sounds good, weighs less. Shux, if I wanted more weight aft I'd just throw my used Yamaha motor back there for ballast. :lol:

Hey good bud, come on down and we'll check it out together. Now that you are rich and famous you should get free travel!

Duster
 
OK Duster... ya made me log-in again! :disgust :lol:

Yeah, I'm always talkin' ultimate scenario stuff (as usual) :D You still ain't lost your touch to crack me up big :| :mrgreen: hehehe :teeth
I agree... C-Dory should be flyin my butt around about right now :shock: boat show and all going on... :| :cry: :? :moon :lol:
 
Do any of the new E-Tec owners have real-world feedback yet? How about you, Les? My Johnson 70 is getting tired, especially with a full load. BTW, boating this past weekend was beautiful in the San Juans! Mike on Westward.
 
Man, Red Fox is absolutely right. When I went from a single 2-stroke to twin 4-strokes, the handling difference was pronounced. The boat was a handful in following seas with only the light one engine, but with two heavier engines, the boat tracks like on rails, with no more yaw tendency. With any boat, you want to keep the bow light in a following sea, but a dory, which tends to float bow down at rest, needs to keep her bow up in a following sea, or she'll tend to dig her bow, and if the seas are quartering, will be pushed aside from the stern, causing a nasty yaw. The twins, with their heavier weight and greater directional drive, have completly solved the problem for Sealife.

Mike - Sealife
 
Mike,

I just put a halibut or two aft to shift the weight. :wink:
Each owner uses her/his boat differently. I've gone from single to twin, to single to twin, so many times -- whew! A partner in a Johnson dealership in the early 1940's -- and had one or two of those noisy rascals on a boat ever since.

100 per danged percent agree in weight aft in a following sea. When skippering a charter, even had folks move aft when crossing a bad bar... and if usually running 40 or so miles offshore you can bet I'd have two back there. Other ways to get weight aft, though, and keep the bow up.

The 90 E-TEC sure looks purty on the back of my 22, and should have her doing break-in time in a few days. I've talked to three people who have them - all Arima - and they really like the way they perform. I've had thousands of troublefree hours with Honda, so switching isn't easy.

Of course I know Red Fox likes Honda best - he's just funning old Dusty :wink: :wink:

Dusty
 
Right on Mike!! :thup And thank you :wink: :!:

I was thinking the other day: This whole issue of "Weight" is really a discussion for ---- BASS BOATS ---- Not C-Dory's :idea C-Dory's LOVE WEIGHT on their transom, and if you have trim-tabs, it's essential to good, safe handling, to have a lot of motor weight, period!!.

It don't matter if your in an "Alaskan Trailing Sea, or any other "Trailing Sea" their all nasty to a flat bottomed boat, and the C-Dory is no exception. :embarrased

To make that 2-Stroke "as quiet" from what I read about them: They have to add some gadgetry to achieve it (no thanks!!) A modern 4-stroke is probably much less sophisticated than the latest rage (E-Tech)

A news break from the SnowMobile Industry: Yamaha has been kickin "2-stoke butt" with there Genesis 5-Valve 4-Strokes! Setting new world records, going head to head with the baddest 2-strokes in existence!! The reason for this is (of course) a 4-stroke can handle a sustained power-level for longer, and there built different (using babbitt-bearings and a cast crank, rather than a multiple-piece crank design in the Ball-Bearing, pinned-together 2-stroke engines, there competing against.
There are many more aspects to this interesting topic (2-stroke vs 4-stroke) But wouldn't you know it.... I'm out of time
:disgust :lol: :lol: (and maybe some don't care about it anyway... were talking marine engines here... :embarrased
Have a good day... I'm out... :embarrased
 
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