2021 spot shrimp

localboy":2bxwvxog said:
Dates now posted on WDFW website. It ain't pretty.

In 7 west, for example, no longer do we have the open seven days a week until the quota is met. We now get only 4 days in mid-May, 4 days in early June and 4 days in mid-June. So that means 7 west will be a zoo, exactly like 8-1/8-2 is every year.

Idiots run this state.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/shellfishing-regulations/shrimp/areas
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Well, you could be in area 13. No shrimp this year and no crab for the last 3 years, despite an abundance of red rock crabs. WDFW bases the total closure on Dungeness.
 
localboy":3j0txpld said:
Idiots run this state.
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Well, maybe not complete idiots. All these dates have pretty favorable tides. I suspect that is not by chance.

P.S. Mark, I think you should run for political office. Given that you believe that our existing government is attempting to destroy this country (your words in another thread), perhaps you can roll up your sleeves and help to turn things around.
 
Shrimping is open in PWS from 4-15 until 9-15 with a limit of how many can you catch? I feeling pretty fortunate right now, since shrimping is one of my favorite pastimes on the water.
 
I'm hoping they will be sampling, test fishing and using ramp counts to get a handle on the effort, confirm quotas and be giving us more dates in July and August.
 
I'm hoping they will be sampling, test fishing and using ramp counts to get a handle on the effort, confirm quotas and be giving us more dates in July and August.
 
Remember when we used to shrimp all summer long in area 7 west? Yeah those were the days. Limiting to such small time windows means ramps are overcrowded and people making unsafe decisions to get their one chance. I've seen and experienced a few of those off Camano Island on some of those short days. Our last time out a very animated captain crashed into the state park dock sending his wife into the water, so he slams the throttle into reverse, powering into me and ripping the davit right off our c-dory. All completely unnecessary but goes with the territory on days like that. It's just chaos sometimes.
 
PaulNBriannaLynn":3v19pr1i said:
Remember when we used to shrimp all summer long in area 7 west? Yeah those were the days. Limiting to such small time windows means ramps are overcrowded and people making unsafe decisions to get their one chance. I've seen and experienced a few of those off Camano Island on some of those short days. Our last time out a very animated captain crashed into the state park dock sending his wife into the water, so he slams the throttle into reverse, powering into me and ripping the davit right off our c-dory. All completely unnecessary but goes with the territory on days like that. It's just chaos sometimes.
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Years ago I was out in 8-1/8-2 when a grandfather made a decision to overload his tiny lake boat (skiff), got swamped and capsized...his 13 or 14 yr old grandson drowned. This happened off of Camano Head and the weather and conditions were crappy for us in a 25. We heard the radio traffic, saw the USCG Dolphin helo race over us and drop the rescue swimmer. But too late. Sobering and sad. The Everett ramps were a zoo. That was the last time I ever went there to shrimp.

The SJ's were always good because the season was spread out so the pressure was lessened. Some weekdays you could count the boats [where we go] on one hand. We usually make a mini vacation out of it. 3-4 days up there with shrimping taking up maybe two mornings. Last year on day two, we were done by 10:00 hours, the numbers where that good.

This year I imagine Squallicom is going to be a zoo.
 
Harvested 5 gallons of tails this weekend.
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yep it's official.. I hate you.. Really wish we could do the same here. I do not know why we are being restricted so much. having talked to some wdfw guys and some tribal guys the shrimp stocks are way up. catches are way up per pot? it makes not sense at all to cut these many days. It's not a science based decision from what I can tell. but very little at wdfw is these days.
 
Tom":2m118h6z said:
It's not a science based decision from what I can tell. but very little at wdfw is these days.
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I'm curious.....

If the biologists at the WDFW aren't making their decisions based on science, in what realm do you think they are deciding?
 
in what realm do you think they are deciding?
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Politics and money, Just like most of their decisions. politics and not science is why we have so few fish now. The entire wild fish fraud is not based in science and was designed to lower the number of fish so fishing at some point will stop completely. The current fraud of " habitat reconstruction" in the puget sound that is turning hunting land in to mud pits for profit and will not and have never helped salmon numbers in the 50 years they have been trying it but hey its a way to gain federal funds so WDFW screws duck and pheasant hunters out of land so they can skim money into their own pet projects. Then there is the completely stupid reintroduction ( well intereduction) of non native wolves for the intent of collapsing deer and elk herds to stop hunting. It goes on and on. right now the shrimp stocks are up but limits and days are cut??? Canada just across from area 6 and 7 shrimp all year with 400 a day limits with no problems.... yeah its science.. and again not interested in arguing about it. just to tired telling people the truth and have to spend my time proving it to them. go do your own research, but hey there is none because WDFW suppresses it. Just like they did to their own reports on atlantic salmon and the dangers of overpopulation of seals.. If we followed science and not politics we would 1) produce more fish 2) shot more seal like we did for 100 years. 3) shoot some species of birds and 4) not allow anyone to net rivers. but hey politics and money no longer allow any of those things that we used to do. You know back when the runs were at their highest and their was enough fish for everyone.
 
Tom those are Canadian shrimp. With the border closure they cant enter into area 6 and 7, duh :lol:

I was reluctantly involved in a few of those farm land conversions to mudflats. They breach the levies and leave the once fertile and productive farmland a muddy wasteland. While they were never very good at producing salmon smolts, they are excellent for growing mosquitos. Nobody would believe the cost of those engineered tide gates used for those if I put a number down. You would not believe it I guarantee....
 
Paul I know that the Leque island dike need one million of Wdfw money in repairs to keep it as a bird watching and pheasant/duck hunting area. I also know that ducks unlimited ( not a friend of duck hunter in my opinion) got paid about 22 million in federal funds to destroy that site and turn it in to a mud pit. No more owls or cranes for people to see, No more pheasant plants and no plans to replace it. The short term duck hunting is not very good and will stop once the cat tails fill in just as they have at the other 5 areas they have done the same . How much you thing WDFW skimmed off that 22 million of federal funds??? They are about to do the same with the lervick property that the tribe is buying, well buying with federal fund so they can convert the land with more federal funds and take another duck hunting site away for the tax payer. An then there is the farmed island unit that is not going to be flooded with federal funds. This is a long standing duck hunting area of state land this is surrounded by other land that could be flooded far easier and cheaper and with no impact to hunter . They will use more federal funds to flood ands destroy land that was gifted to the state for the sole for hunters and other out door uses. Now it will be filed in with cattails, you know just like the other 100 acres or so of pheasant and duck hunting land that were flood and filled in with cattails 20 years ago. Well I got to get back to work so the feds have enough funds to destroy more land that will not produce one more fish without an increase of hatchery out put if at all. just more smolt for the seals and cormorants.
 
Tom":27tmkeyu said:
Politics and money, Just like most of their decisions. politics and not science is why we have so few fish now.
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Tom, I understand that you may prefer not to answer follow up questions; if so, no problem. However, I am truly curious since I have experience working with WDFW biologists.

My original question was from that POV....that is, under what basis do you think the biologists at the WDFW are making decisions if not on science. I note you left out the word "biologists" when you quoted me. Perhaps that was on purpose since your explanation seems to represent your view of the WDFW agency generally. I am curious because it's hard for me to imagine why the couple dozen biologists I once knew at the WDFW would continue to work for the WDFW if they were forced to operate as you describe above. In my experience these biologists studied long and hard to get their degrees (often advanced degrees). Then after all that hard work, they just toss it all away in order to function as you describe? Is that really the way it is?
 
Ahhh Leque island, I had the pleasure of meeting the owners and discussing this project before I got the hell out of there. Its amazing the good ol boys built that dike over 100 years ago with minimal equipment and it cost nothing. For some reason it takes a million dollars to move some earth in Washington state. Probably have to fund pocket gopher EIS studies, purchase fancy sediment barriers and the permitting process will take years. There's lot of blame with the feds, and you're partially right, but why is it only like this in the blue states? On top of that, Washington is buried in an extra thick layer of bureaucracy, which is the tribes have a stranglehold on any projects with any federal or state funds. Each one has to go through the consultation process with each potentially impacted tribe. Its absolutely insane. Anyway.. I needed to get that off my chest. Carry on Washington with all your craziness.
 
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